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But you’re happy for them to change it for non-silly reasons like ‘it makes the film better’. Now you’re simply having a disagreement about whether the change makes the film better. And your answer is no, because you don’t like PC.

Right, so it’s not historical inaccuracy that bugs you, it’s being PC that’s the problem. Glad we cleared that up.

Clearly not that different. Look - if you don’t think these films are too dangerous to show to kids, Disney doesn’t think the films are too dangerous to show to kids, and the films are still on show… what in the fucking shit are you actually whinging about? Seriously, what kind of rampant snowflakery is it that you’ve managed to become offended by Disney showing films that you think should be shown? And you wanna talk about hypocrisy? The entire right wing anti-cancelling culture war is based around the idea that things should be talked about. A University students association decides to bar a holocaust denier? Well why don’t you talk to them and defend your case through argument instead!? As if there was any argument that hasn’t been won a 100 times over at this point. Some venue decides to ban a pro-Confederacy speaker from appearing? Well why don’t you turn up defend your case through argument instead! As if there’s any argument left to win. And now, here’s Disney saying look, some small parts of these films aren’t 100% ok by modern standards but they’re not that bad and it’s more worthwhile talking about the changes in society than hiding them. And that’s not fucking good enough for you all of a sudden! You still find an excuse to bitch and moan and cry about how unfair it is because that’s all the modern right knows how to do these days. There’s literally nothing Disney could do to stop you pretending to be their poor defenceless victim because you’ve decided that they’re on the other side of this so called culture war you’re all so desperate to push. Just get the fuck over it already.

Every entertainment film about historical events changes things about the history it depicts. Every single one before The Dam Busters, every single one after The Dam Busters. That’s more of a flat line than a slope.

It did nothing to hurt the watchability either and (as you’ve explained already) did nothing to mask any real history. Seems an odd choice of hill to die on.

And what is it about these films that you think is particularly dangerous to kids?

The original from the studio contained far more significant historical rewrites than the name of a dog yet you don’t appear to care about them. What exactly are these expectations of yours? Those original historical deviations were mostly made to make the film more watchable. The re-issue edit was made to keep the film watchable. It’s the same entertainment industry doing the same thing at two different times.

Or don’t understand the entertainment industry. Again, even though The Dam Busters was generally very, very good at presenting the true story there are plenty of much bigger changes or omissions that make it flow better as a film and story designed to entertain people. Things that are much more relevant to a historian interested in what actually happened and when than the name of a dog.

Expecting a movie to be 100% accurate history seems silly to me. If you’re interested in what actually happened, the name of the dog is hardly the most important historical fact or event they changed.

If what is to be done? What are you asking them to get rid of? Do you think there's anything wrong with taking down statues in US towns celebrating men who took up arms against the US? Do you have any problem with making it so that schools which black children attend aren't named in honour of men who fought to defend black slavery?

Please tell me that's a joke.

I know, but what exactly are them?

Right - you can understand why a bunch of people are publically proclaiming they no longer like a band they didn't know anything about anyway, simply because they have made the baseless assumption that a picture on an album cover means they're going to be lectured at during a concert. You see where your devotion to culture wars has got you, right? In this instance that is exactly what Pink Floyd were doing, and exactly what the Twitter morons were not doing... yet you have chosen to support the latter. Why don't you think Zappa's advice was worthwhile?

Off what?

Sure looks like none of those ‘fans’ ever bought the original album

In order to aid the conversation, perhaps you could clarify which part of the explanation that you just quoted you find strange? It might also help if you said what it is they’re continuing to show that you have a problem with?

It was nice of you to go to the effort of being outraged on behalf of an entirely un-outraged Cameron. BTW, there are people who think Cameron is forcing them to be vegan? What a bunch of nutholes!

I literally just quoted you claiming he had made a different choice. The second thing does not imply the first. How long is it supposed to take to thoroughly search an entire house containing documents accumulated from 50 years of government work?

Because Biden allowed the DoJ to look instead of trying to hide them. Yet it’s Trump whose behaviour you still try to justify…

No, your wilful blindness still has that locked down.

It’s almost as if you were spouting bullshit for the sole purpose of being argumentative.

Biden voluntarily allows DOJ to search his home The president offered access "to his home to allow DoJ to conduct a search of the entire premises for potential vice-presidential records and potential classified material", Mr Bauer said in a statement on Saturday. Well that argument died in a ditch eh Brent? What else have you got?

Great idea. Why don’t you try it? https://www.dropzone.com/forums/topic/270888-president-biden-critics-corner/page/121/?tab=comments#comment-4998522

You know that Q is flat out lying to you. So that’s…. a good thing?

The self awareness is strong with you