jakee

Cool. What's Biden guilty of that means a moderate could never vote for him?

It's not a parliamentary system in the US, so that has nothing to do with it. After the inauguration is over the margin is utterly irrelevant - you either have the mandate of being in the White House, or you lost. Your ability to implement a policy agenda is far more affected by the makeup of the legislature. Biden could win every state except North Dakota and Congressional Republicans still wouldn't cut him any slack. And in this case, none of that scans anyway. Bigun says he won't vote for Biden because he's a piece of shit, and that's really not something any form of moderate tactical voting can account for.

Here you go - for both you and Wendy. Note that this was not just a throwaway one liner, he spent some time defending the comments, like with "Your googlefu broke? Take each one and put Biden in front of it. Then become an informed reader. Both of them are pieces of shit that I won't vote for" You think Bigun can give a single honest reason why Biden is a piece of shit apart from lying that he's a rapist? Does Wendy honestly think he could? I don't - it's pretty damn obvious he's just spouting obvious crap that allows him to ignore his conscience while indulging his partisanship. As much as it might be better another way, the US election is a simple binary choice. And in this case it's a choice between a mostly honest moderate who is mostly just getting on with the job, and a totally corrupt radical who hates the law, hates the constitution, hates the American political system of checks and balances, has nothing but contempt for servicemen, veterans and honest law enforcement. For any real moderate it's an obvious choice.

Luckily our freedom to question that decision also remains intact. Last time you have a reason why you wouldn’t vote for Biden it was with flat out lies about him, which you later said was simply an exercise in trolling. So what genuine reason is there for a true moderate not to vote for Biden, given the alternative?

The way that this site works, text that is in a url format will display as a clickable link no matter how it got there. If he can copy and paste anything, he can copy and paste the text of a link.

If you can copy and paste anything you can copy and paste a link. You copy it. You paste it. What’s not to work?

Here is a Texas Republican Congressman saying his primary opponent was a Neo Nazi, and that parts of the Republican party are KKK sympathising scum. Is he being just like a racist? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/29/texas-republican-primary-runoff-tony-gonzales-

Keep in mind that it’s a bunch of dudes who’ve decided never to have any relationship with a woman in favour of worshipping a semi naked man on some bondage equipment instead. They’ve got to pretend to be anti-gay or people will start getting suspicious.

Did you? Why? OK, here's the thing: you're not describing a pattern of the laws changing for the worse, you're describing a pattern of you gradually becoming less ignorant of what the laws already are. This doesn't imply any progression of the law itself in any direction. Yes it is, because on balance things have moved the other way. Because here's the thing... In 1880, 37 states had an age of consent of 10 years, 10 states had an age of consent at 12 years, and Delaware had an age of consent of 7 years." Wiki So where would you rather be? In a modern Colorado elementary school with a librarian in drag, or the good old Christian 19th Century?

So if the one Biden drone strike is totally disqualifying, is there or has there ever been a Presidential candidate from either party who you could vote for?

Just out of curiosity - do you think it is remotely possible that no civilians were killed by drone strikes while Trump was CinC?

Does the phrase ‘This isn’t our first rodeo’ ring any bells? The tactics deployed by Israel were inevitable. Why not pre-emptively protest something you know is going to happen?

No, lying about it makes you a liar. Just like you lied about the evidence you were shown that there was systemic racism in the military. You went out of your way to minimise the impact of stereotyping, prejudice and racism on people who actually directly experience it because you just didn't want to know, but now you're whinging that you are the victim of something just like racism because you're a Republican and people are complaining about Trump. If you're going to keep claiming that is your genuine belief I think it is also an obvious lie.

Then what's he moaning about? What's his point? Republicans aren't on the receiving end of the exact same thing as racism? I would add that it's doubly ironic that Bigun claims to be on the receiving end of it when he has previously dismissed out of hand multiple investigations by the military that concluded various branches of the military had problems with systemic racism. Apparently that's ridiculous - but saying Trump is mimicking Hitler's tactics? That's the exact same thing as being racist against all Republicans. 100%.

Gosh, it sure sounds like he's saying the Nazis are evil. How dare he accuse all Nazis of being bad! Surely that's just the same logic as calling a Jew a Kike.

And yet here he is flat out lying about what he said in this thread, and refusing to admit the obvious, offensive lunacy of comparing criticism of a person's political choices with overt racism. Oh not me - but there are people who think he's better than this and he's doing his absolute best to let them down.

Hey Joe - this is what irony looks like. Bigun - criticising you for your choices is nothing like racially insulting a black person. I know you’re just trying to cover your tracks so you don’t have to feel ashamed for saying something so stupid and racist, but that only makes it worse. You could still come out of this with some credit if you admit your error.

Who did? The post that prompted you to make such an absurd and racist comparison categorically did not do so. You know this, yet you continue to flat out lie to cover up the stupidity and inanity of the comment. Which again, even if your lie was true, would still be inane and racist.

You realise what ‘lack of’ means, right? Lol, no, of course you don’t. Not if the only way to get an insult in is by pretending not to.

Exactly. Maybe you’d be able to explain it to Wendy, she seems to be having trouble with the lack of subtlety.

And as I have repeated and repeated and repeated - no one here said it did. But Trump is a racist and a fascist, and saying so isn't remotely like being racist against Bigun, no matter how badly he wants to be seen as a victim.

Who are you talking about, elected Republicans? There was nothing stopping any of them doing what Liz Cheney did. If they had, Trump would be impeached and gone. Hell, Congressional leaders and grandees actively facilitated his recent primary win by treating him as a king in exile for Biden's entire term. Very few of these people were Maga faithful, just soulless power hungry opportunists who put winning ahead of principle. Or you're talking about Republican voters? Well, stop me if this is too complex, but they can use their fucking vote. Bigun refuses to vote for a Democrat in the presidential election despite knowing the nature of the choice and the consequences that face the nation. When pressed, he'll just make up some vile nonsense about Biden in order to avoid any more difficult questions, then later claim he was only joking. All of that is on him. Again, I can fully understand why he feels guilty about that - but it's no basis for claiming that he personally is just like a victim of racism because people are pointing out that Trump is despicable. It's absurd.

Look at this and try to imagine I haven't addressed exactly that point. Look, I'm quite sure you feel guilty for putting party loyalty ahead of your moral, ethical and patriotic duty to actively vote against Trump and his minions, but that doesn't impose a duty on anyone else to take care of your feelings by pretending that the above groups are any less despicable than they are. Trump is not every Republican and no-one in this thread has ever come remotely close to claiming that he is. It is up to every Republican, in the full knowledge of who and what Trump is, to decide whether to enable him or not. And no matter how desperate to play the victim Bigun may be, calling Trump a Nazi and causing him to feel guilty by association is not in any universe a similar thing to calling a black person a nigger.

It's as subtle as a sledgehammer yet you still pretend to miss it.

And that is still completely wrong and a racist statement. How do black people act that leads others to call them niggers? So what? Not one single person on this site has called all Republicans Nazis. That's just an artifact of your hypersensitivity. You took exception to Joe criticising "Trump, the MAGA morons and the Alt Right". Claiming that he was unfairly denigrating all Republicans is an outright lie, and a very obvious one. Look, I'm quite sure you feel guilty for putting party loyalty ahead of your moral, ethical and patriotic duty to actively vote against Trump and his minions, but that doesn't impose a duty on anyone else to take care of your feelings by pretending that the above groups are any less despicable than they are.