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You should have set this up as a real poll, but I'm with everyone else. #3 by a long shot. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Every patient is informed of risk prior to every surgical procedure, and that is documented in the patient's chart. Even when I dilate eyes, I educate the patient regarding the effects of dilation and document in the chart. Surgeons all have consent forms that the patient must read and sign spelling out possible risks of any procedure. When medications are prescribed, they all come with brochures spelling out the potential side effects. There is no lack of information to patients regarding what can happen. I think that the biggest issue here is that you believe that an iatrogenic issue means liability or fault or error or poor treatment. Fortunately, for a vast majority, that probably is not the case, there is nothing to 'fess up' to. When there is true malpractice, doctors end up paying large malpractice fees and often lose their license priviledges depending on the problem. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Out of total curiosity, what was your malfunction/ packing error? You can save all of these expenses by repeating the recent cutaway at the DZ I'm at... 1 toggle stowed, one not, resulting in a spin. Jumper landed safely in the landing area. Main canopy landed safely 10 feet behind her. Free bag landed safely in front of the hangar. She planned her cutaway very well

I read over the article again. It lists under 'mistake' post operative sepsis. Every time there is any form of cut in the body, there is a risk of infection. That's why you put neosporin on a skinned knee. Cut someone open that is immunocompromised, and despite antibiotics, they can still get an infection from even a couple bacteria that get in the wound from their own skin. It is not a medical mistake, it is a well established risk of a surgical procedure. The article was extremely misleading in nature. For example. If I have a patient with an embedded hunk of metal in the cornea, I take it out to prevent it from causing recurrent corneal erosion, rusting in the cornea and/or causing permanent vision loss. Because it is embedded, there is no gaping wound, but it needs to be removed. So I take out the metal, put the patient on strong antibiotics, and follow them daily until the problem is resolved. I have done everything right, but that patient may still develop what would technically be an iatrogenic infection with visual morbidity. Exactly what in my treatment plan was mistaken? Nothing. Iatrogenic infection is something taken very seriously by docs, and every effort is made to control for it. However it is impossible to get rid of every single fungal or bacterial cell in an entire operating room. Particularly in immunocompromised patients, antibiotics may just not be enough to fight off infection. My grandmother recently died of iatrogenic sepsis, so this is personal to me. However, her doctors did do everything right, her body just could not fight off the bacteria producing the toxins. Medical mistakes are made. That is not in dispute. Iatrogenic problems occur, also not in dispute. However iatrogenic problems are not in many situations caused by any form of medical mistake. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Freaking hilarious! Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Iatrogenic does not mean mistake. And iatrogenic infection is definitely well known and no secret in the medical community, at least as far as I have seen. As someone else mentioned, these people are already sick, already immunocompromised, they can not fight off any bacteria at all, often their own natural bacteria, so any strain of bug that they don't already have antibodies for can cause serious problems. It doesn't have to be from a mistake by anyone. It is impossible to remove every microorganism from every surface in a patients room short of putting them in a bubble. During the civil war, over 30% of amputees died of iatrogenic infection. I bet the rate is a lot lower now. Medicine is always looking for ways to prevent this. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

I did my first night jump this weekend too, though I've been there to watch another. Both times, the cars were perpendicular to the landing direction. That was one damn cool experience though, can't wait to do it again! Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

It honestly sickens me to know that people think like this. I can honestly say that I don't often follow my doc's advice either when it comes to recovery time. But when I make a problem worse than it was to begin with by doing my own thing, which has happened, I at least know it's my own damn fault. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

*sigh* Do you have to say things like that? Us docs like to delude ourselves into thinking that all our patients do exactly what we tell them to do Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

If you do a LASIK search on here, you'll find a crap load of information. Bottom line is your corneas are different from any other person's cornea, amount of tissue removed is different, corneal thickness is different, tear film is different, immune reaction is different, etc. Only your doc can give you an answer. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

To add to Nightingale's post... Because we love our bf and have much in common.. they like jumping so we might too. We are jealous of all the attention the sky gets. We go to the DZ with the bf and notice DAMN, there are some fine looking men around, not a bad place to be. We know that the bf loves us more than jumping, so jumps very little to have time with us. We care about him enough to want him to not make this sacrifice. We make a few jumps due to the reasons above, and end up figuring out that this whole thing is freaking fun! Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Where's the 'all of the above' option?? Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Considering the nice tips I've gotten, I must have stumbled into doing something right. Or maybe it's just because I'm the only packer with boobs? Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

You better PM me too. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

I can pack without a weight, did it this weekend. It's just a lot harder for me to reach everything and I usually let the canopy hang away from me, makes it much easier to see how the lines are lying. Nope, I don't take up all that much room Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Sounds like you are doing the same thing I am. Seems to work well. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

I just assumed everyone used a weight I have a heavier weight and need to lean against it for the rig to fall foward if I'm packing anything 170 or larger. It's the only way I can reach everything (I'm short). Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Oops, that should say tuck the nose well, not roll it, I'll go back up and edit. Our master rigger told us it's almost impossible to roll completely evenly, so better just to tuck it in really well. I'm sure that every rigger has a different take on this though, so run this by your favorite rigger and see what he/she says. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Take my 100 jump wonder words with a grain of salt, okay? I have a 170 Sabre1, probably 300ish jumps on it. I have jumped it 90+ of those jumps. I'm getting a new canopy, my husband is taking my Sabre1, so we have both packed and jumped it, both of us are also packers at the DZ. The rigger at the DZ told us that rolling the nose on ZP can make it open unevenly, not always a good thing. What we typically do is shove the outer 4 cells on each side in pretty well without rolling them, leaving the center cell just a hair out. We pocket the slider very well, and tuck the nose well. We also leave a good 18 inches of line in the container, it seems to help it open on heading much more reliably. To deal with the nose, sometimes I have the canopy as high my shoulder as I can and just lean forward a bit, doing the tucking with my left hand (canopy on right shoulder). That way the canopy is hanging where I need it. Usually I have the lines coming over my right shoulder, hold it out with my right hand, deal with it with the left hand, easier to see what I'm doing and make sure everything is even and slider pocketed well. Neither of us have ever had a snappy opening, and both of us can make it really snivel if we want to. DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOVE UNLESS YOU HAVE A RIGGER WATCHING AND ADVISING YOU!!!!!!!!!! This is just what we do, that doesn't make it the best option for you. I only posted to give you ideas to run by your rigger first. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Hello! If you come out to Chambersburg, let me know. My husband and I are both there from Fri night to Sun night, we have a trailer there. We also have a 'guest tent' that we loan out to anyone who wants to stay for the Saturday festivities without having to drive anywhere afterwards Yes, they do jump during the week, but call in advance, if there's only one person there wanting to jump, no point in getting the plane off the ground. There are a few DZ.commers there, they can speak for themselves though. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Be patient with the student, I was her 100 jumps ago. I jumped because my husband did and I didn't like the days he looked more longingly at the sky than me (now he looks at me longingly while in the sky!). I didn't enjoy the first 10-15+ jumps. It was work, I spent all my attention focused on what I was doing so I'd pass to the next level of AFF or accomplish the coach jump goals for my A card. Since my attention was 100% on skills, it was not on enjoyment. Having fun didn't come until much later. But now, there's no way to keep me out of the sky. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

We're a hell of a hike from LA, but we have a spare bedroom, could put at least two people there. A couple more if absolutely needed in the finished basement. We also have a camper at the DZ we'd definitely let a family live in, at least 4 could fit in it. Jen Elizabethtown, PA Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

There's a difference between a known 'no poop zone' (our dogs only go on one part of our yard, they know that the rest is a no relief zone, whether on or off lead). But taking a long walk around a neighborhood is different. My three all go before we leave the yard, but the greyhound gets a bit of nervous crap on most walks, nothing we can do about it, he's just a very nervous dog (was racing until 2 mo ago, recent adoptee) Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

Student teachers are under direct supervision of experienced teachers. Same with new grads from medical schools, they have the knowledge base of docs, but are still under the supervision of experienced docs prior to going out on their own. I agree that teaching provides just as much learning experience as learning. I have taught clarinet/sax for many years, taught bio and chem labs for 4 years, and have been a tutor all through high school and college. As a doc, the most important part of my job is to teach. I also know that as a teacher, it isn't fair to the student to not have a broad range of experience to draw from. My gut instinct is that to become a coach, a fairly high number of jumps with less experienced jumpers should be required prior to licensing (with experienced coach supervision). So that the coach-to-be can be adept at chasing students all over the sky with their attention on the student's body position rather than their own so that feedback is given. So that the coach in training can learn a wide variety of potential problems, concerns, etc. And be able to respond to questions well in the presence of an experienced coach to ensure no screw ups. How many 100 jump wonders spew BS on this forum thinking that they know what they are talking about? Hell, I'm one of them right now in this post I have no doubt that I could get a coaching certification. But it is unfair to the students I would work with to bring fairly limited experience to the table. Maybe other 100 jumpers are better, more experienced, more confident, in general superior to me? Definitely possible. I can understand the concern about smaller dropzones, but how would an extra 100 jumps of experience truly inhibit their ability to gain coaches? I don't think 8000 jumps are necessary to be a good coach, but 75 jumps or less after getting an A license doesn't seem like enough either. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda

I know what a leash law is, but walking your dog around the block, the dog may have to go. He won't go on cement, he goes along the edge of the grass, no amount of dragging or pleading will do a thing to stop a dog's GI system. Most grass along sidewalks is private property, not much to change that. I don't see what the problem is as long as the dog owner cleans up the resulting debris. There's a big difference between a dog running around unattended crapping wherever the hell he feels like it and a dog on a leash, attended by the owner, who just happens to go on the edge of someone's property and the resulting product is removed promptly. Jen Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda