Calvin19

I have rolled over paragliders but not speed gliders. I have done 'jumps' with my fly frame on a speed glider off a few exit points, but no 'deployments' of a speed glider other than trash bagged with sliders. (that really hurts the glider though, lame) -SPACE-

my wingsuit experience is too low for a 135? how so? ~120 wingsuit skydives with anything from a saber 170 to a vengeance 120, and 100 or so WS BASE jumps. snap roll/ roll are pretty much the same thing. a roll is pretty much flipping the parachute or glider around the direction of flight, very hard to do clean in a paraglider, but a speed glider it is pretty easy. I have done them in Saber 150s, you just need a ton of entry speed. (no weight shift, just a precise fast and deep brake input that 'rolls' the glider underneath and around the pilot,) I would NEVER try to deploy a paraglider from a wingsuit. I just need a canopy for skydiving that I don't have to do a special deployment method every time I use it. (IE a regular skydive rig) my speed glider deployments have all been with a slider and on a bullet 12 'trash bagged'. I built a thin modified PG harness with a cutaway system in it that I wear under a skydive rig. My paraglider deployments have all been from a 'Dr Bill' (note; Dr not 'Mr') and without any mod to the glider.

I spend 90% of my flying time footlaunching paragliders, from 8m to 38m. (90 to 400 ft^2) aspect ratios from 2.5/1 to 8/1 of course I know I will not get much more than 3/1 LD out of a skydive canopy, I was just hoping to find something built for skydiving that I could have as much fun with after deployment as I do with a 12m bullet. I have come to think that a stilletto 135 should be perfect. I can wingsuit with it, and still fly fairly well. I like to snap roll the hell out of canopies a lot, but I also like that I can do a 180 from less than 200' and a roll from 100. (not in a stilletto, obviously, but getting close). I have not owned a skydive rig in 3 years, so I want to be sure. openings were fine. crisp and on heading out the door. (way sub terminal) I have also jumped mid 20s square meter paragliders with awesome results. those are very VERY complicated to deploy. I believe the other poster was talking about my man Jimmy Hall, pioneering deployable paragliders about a decade ago. he did a bunch of soaring in the islands after deploying and paved the way for my projects.

PG is for sure the safest way. sorry, did not see this post.

I do some informal instruction here in Boulder, Co. note I do not have a paraglider instructor rating, and do not give speed flying ratings, (mainly because they don't exist for the most part). A few of my students have been flying with me the last few weeks. the flying is easy, obviously. just learning weather and wind and how to pick sites and most importantly the safe way to launch.

yeah I have no idea. Probably one of those things with so many different factors it would be harder to 'quantify' than even the glide of a canopy, though that seems like it would be easy. I have done full 180' snap dives from well less than 200' on my bullet12, that would KILL a person on any similar sized skydive canopy. that is hands off dive recovery though, on the bullet GTs you can do a low 180 but you have the help it through the plane-out. but we are talking about skydive canopies. I have really only flown a stilletto. I have a dozen or so on a velocity and vengeance sub 120' canopies, those things seemed like they eat up energy very fast.

in a perfect aerodynamic world, yes. but it does change. induced drag and lift increase exponentially with speed, but so does parasite drag. ***The question in my mind remains, why do you want a flat glide, and what do you consider flat? I consider flat to be the 10/1 glide I can get out of some of the gliders I fly. of course I'll consider something less for a freefall designed parachute. what I want is something that flies like my bullet 12m paraglider but is designed to be opened a few thousand times after freefall. I have jumped my bullet and i LOVE it but it was built like a paraglider and does not handle the deployment loads well.

I think it should go the other way... I think we should ask Ozone or Gin to build one of their gliders from heavy ZP and not light sail fabric. i don't care about pack volume. I have jumped a few gliders now, the flight performances are black and white compared to parachutes. what would KICK ASS is a long wingsuit flight through clouds, and then opening a Bullet 16 or bobcat at 5000' and whipping the thing around for another few minutes. easily doable. I have jumped my gliders, just not for wingsuit...

yeah I know. I just was hoping for a parachute. easy. I will try to find a good stiletto 135 like someone said. or trim up a 120.

I put 100 swoops on a stiletto 120 a few years ago, and about 30 on a Stiletto 150. the 150 was too slow in roll and 120 still was too ground hungry for what I want to be doing. is a Diablo better? faster roll? Thanks for the help, I know its a weird thing to be looking for. I love flying my bullet but freefall jumping it wears it out exponentially faster.

wondering if there is a canopy made for good non-swooping acro, or one that is known to be good for it. a canopy with very short recovery arc and super fast roll rate.

I no longer keep a logbook. I lie with a smile on my face to a DZs when they tell me I am not current. Been told me my 'illegal' skydives do not count toward my currency. Right. Fuck them. I hold a D license, with legitimate jump numbers. I have as many night skydives as I do day jumps. I take an unreasonable amount of pictures, and my albums function as my logbook. not 100% accurate, but it's a useful ballpark figure.

1-540 2-6 3-All intentional, induced malfunctions(4), repack fun(2)

After over 1000 parachute freefalls, openings, and landings I still love doing mr bills. I have designed and perfected several different methods and equipment to make it safe and easy. I do Mr Bills on BASE jumps (though rare) and while flying speed gliders and paragliders. A mr bill gives the jumper/pilot a challenge that does not resemble line dancing in the sky. No one started skydiving with the dream of the perfect 4-way RW load (or whatever 'experienced skydivers only' discipline therein) we started jumping for the beauty, the mental challenge, the friends. not the other stuff you pick up along the way. -SPACE-

How does it feel to be better than everyone else? are you seriously telling me you can not see the sarcasm in ZEPS post... YOU LOT are amazing here a hint READ THE LAST LINE OF HIS PSOT My bad, I'm fairly thick. I have met people that feel this way though, and your right, I did not even finish reading his post. apologies[/crazy].

How does it feel to be better than everyone else?

I imagine this is a joke.

so yeah, I guess the point was, a gust (or descent/transition through a shear layer into an airmass of different vector [gust]) the aircraft would have a tendency to turn 'with'( NOT necessarily downwind relative to the ground)' the airmass it is entering. but this is a physics problem, and has no useful application into real life. PS- a thing to remember here, is the original problem from a different thread was an airmass relative to the ground. 'downwind' only applies to an airmass if it is in reference to the ground.

Kinda like curving a bullet.

-SPACE-

If we can assume that the canopy/stable aircraft and unconscious/helpless pilot has no tendency to turn slowly either way, AND we have a perfect model shear layer effect to the ground, the most stable and most probable average heading would be downwind. HOWEVER, if there is sudden gusts, (there is no perfect shear layers) blah blah blah, I would say that even though the aircraft is most likely to end up impacting downwind that upwind, that there is still a huge chance factor involved. ALSO, there is no aircraft that has a perfect stable heading hold, not even 500,000EU sailplanes. I would say that even though the tendance will be to a downwind heading through a wind shear, that only 51/100 would impact downwind.

From the way I can see it, the only way an aircraft (fixed wing) can be 'deflected' from it's stable uncontrolled flight, is from changes (sudden or gradual) in it's relative airflow. IE-a stable high dihedral aircraft that descends through a shear layer entering left to right moving air relative to the air it is leaving will be banked to the right, and then regain its stable flight. in this it will have been 'deflected' some angle "downwind". since shear layer effect is extremely common in near ground situations, you could say that a stable aircraft would be 'deflected' downwind. a para chute, though negative "dihedral" (anhedral) it is still a stable aircraft, and I think would do the same thing. (1000hour commercial/INS/multi/acro/tailwheel/GLI, experienced modeler)

That was pretty good. Mad props to the TI for keeping it going so long.

looks like the Drogue is still pinned in the container, while there is an obvious extracted ripcord in jumpers hand. -SPACE-

I agree. but the hostility needs to go somewhere. the customers are rarely treated badly, but silently hated. If no one is harmed, and all this is is a BS complaint thread then that is fine, ya? it would be hard to put in an economical system to deal with that.