peacefuljeffrey

It is based on the assumption that ... Please stand by. I can handle explaining what assumptions I was making. Why would you answer to the accusation that was made against me with such a strident assertion that you know what I meant? As it turns out, the way Jon explained himself to us makes clear that my assumption was correct: he will not tolerate the intrusion of police into a domestic situation that he personally knows does not involve hiim presenting an actual threat to the safety of his wife. Further, he plans to meet, with deadly force, any such intrusion. I am on the fence. I am quite sympathetic to his assertion that the police have expanded their sphere of power in recent decades to an unacceptable degree. I also agree that removal of the discretion of the police officers who respond to a domestic "violence" call is tantamount to any other mindless "zero-tolerance" response, and I deplore that. (It's all done for the reason that lawmakers fear that any and all women who say, "I just wanted the police to scare some sense into him," say that only because they are in fear of his later response should they have him arrested now.) I can't say I fully agree or disagree with Jon. He's right about it being wrong for the police to intrude on personal matters because of the sometimes-phantom fears that legislators have. He's right that police powers are too broad nowadays (like random "DUI" searches on public roads without probable cause, which they defend with bullshit rationalizations about how it's a "privilege, not a right," to be driving). I know that if a person like him shot a cop who came to the door because a neighbor reported the screaming, he'd probably come through the door later dead and smeared with the epithet "murderous cop-killing wife-beater," not "champion of citizens under the boot-heel of the pigs." Most people would not be sympathetic to a guy who shot a cop who was just checking on a call. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I'm sorry you're in that kind of unpleasant situation. I am no therapist, but I would say that if it's as bad as it is characterized in your post (and its noxiousness is palpable in your writing) then I think the most sensible and safe thing to do would be to extricate yourself from that relationship. Sorry. That may be traumatic and painful and problematic, but is what you currently go through better? -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

A subtle shift in syntax has occurred, here. Somehow you're now calling it the "age of consent" but I have always known it as the "age of majority" or the "age of adulthood." You make it sound like a woman cannot consent to anything before she is 18 years of age. You didn't write "age of SEXUAL consent." But ask her if she wants to take gymnastics lessons and she says yes, she's able to "consent"? Ask her if she wants to go to a private religious school instead of public school, and she is able to "consent"? SEX, a natural function that SOME people NATURALLY WANT AT AN EARLIER AGE THAN OTHERS is something that no one under the magical age of 18 years/0 days can consent to? That seems, to me, really stupid. And the fact that a person can go to jail for being a week early or even a day early underscores just how stupid that is. Plus, the fact that if a 16 year old girl goes and has sex with a 17 year old boy, he's not going to be charged with raping her is also stupid. If that 17 year old boy robbed a 55 year old woman, you'd charge him -- possibly as a minor and possibly as an adult -- with robbery. But if he coerces the 16 year old girl, who "can't give consent" just because she's 16 not 18, he won't be charged with the same crime that an 18 year old boy would even if that 18 year old boy had been dating the girl since he was 15 and she 13. Stupid. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

So, according to those statements from your previous message, if a 21-year-old man talks a 14-year-old girl into having consensual sex with him, and she does it willingly, then it is okay. Of course not, John. Something magical happens on the day that even a supremely immature girl turns 18 years old, and it's no longer bad to take advantage of her and trick her into consenting to sex, even if you're 37 years old. But don't try it on the day that she's 17 years and 364 days old... because then you're a monster who belongs in jail. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

i'm just quoting ... don't know what it's really about It would be easy to fear that such a tax would drive consumer spending down through the earth, with resulting skyrocketing unemployment. Why the idea of a simplified tax code, with a FLAT, FAIR PERCENTAGE of income taxed, is not preferable to a "who-knows-what'll-happen-if-we-try-this" idea like this proposal is beyond me. Who here believes that the GNP and unemployment rates would not suffer harm if people were taxed more heavily the more they bought consumer goods? If people stopped indulging in a new car every five years because they'd be taxed more than if they waited til their car was 8 or 10 or 12 years old, how could you not believe that auto manufacturing companies would start closing down jobs and plants MORE than they've done already?? I thought of this, and I am by NO means an economist, nor am I even interested much in the subject. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

ahhh, you only think about yourself. That makes things alot clearer. Yeah, that's right, you don't exist to look out for yourself. It would be ignorant of you to think that when I said I had lost rights under Clinton that I did not also recognize -- and have concern for -- the same rights lost by millions of others alongside me, or that I care nothing about anyone else's rights in any other subject area. A statement that I think my rights are safer under Bush than under Clinton is proof to you that I think only about myself? (Note: correction of the location of the word "only" from where it was in your original sentence.) If that's proof, to you, then forget this conversation ever took place. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Or perhaps if he had Princess Leia nearly naked with a chain and collar around her neck... forced to dance for him and let him lick her... -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

It didn't start out as America's war, now did it? Whose entry into the war turned the tide for those who were already fighting it and losing? America's. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I think that the question and discussion are geared toward, "Would Hitler have been defeated by the Europeans with no help from America?" And the only honest answer, I feel strongly, is, "NO." Pretty easy for you to say No to the original thread question if you don't bother to explain why you feel that way. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

There could be... if an M&M truck jacknifes and cracks open on the street in front of your house... -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I'm not taking a side on the voucher issue, but my dad explained to me that his brother-in-law had the same attitude after his own kids were through the public school system! (which is excellent where we came from). My dad took issue (and now I do too) the attitude that, "I don't have kids, so I don't want to pay for schools." You want kids not to grow up with no intelligence and no life skills, right? You don't want them to wander the streets as criminals, or be relegated to "burger-flippin'" jobs, right? Well, ALL of society benefits when the public school system is kept healthy. Put it this way: You may not drive, ever, but some of your tax money goes to build roads. "But I never drive, never have, and never will," you complain. "Why should I have to pay for roads?" Your groceries arrive at the food store by road. Your police patrol on roads. Your firefighters arrive via road to put out the fire in your house. See? -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I'm NOT a Christian.....and proud of it!!! Brie Fuckin A! -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Okay, this one might start a war that rivals the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. My vote is for Matzo Meal Pancakes. All the way. Possibly one of the best skydiving prep foods ever. Everything ya need. Eggs. Matzo. Cottage Cheese. Salt. Pepper. Sour Cream (for dippin')... -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

No doubt. Now, see my other new thread/poll. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Would a levitator beam be usable to catch and suspend, and gently lower, a skydiver who was experiencing a malfunction? Forgive me, I realize that many people have lost their lives to skydiving accidents, but do we really want there to be no risk in our sport? That's a razor edge to walk, now, isn't it? We don't like people dying at it, but we wouldn't want it to be like the aviation version of those scissors they give the slow kids... -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

OMG YES! Thank you! How, though? (How about that -- I recognized Peter Gabriel's voice! I never did see the credit for the song, though, so I never heard of that group. Is that a band that has, like, albums and stuff?) -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Anybody have a review or, better, a synopsis of the plot? I'm interested, but lazy. I read something about that other scary movie that's out now -- Wolf Creek -- that said the reviewer walked out because it became a gratuitous rape/murder fest. So, naturally, now I want to see it! -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

That's not real accurate. My "old beat up car" was an '88 Hyundai Excel that got about 32 mpg on the highway and 27 in the city. Now I'm driving a FAR better car -- a Subaru Impreza Outback Sport -- and it gets about 29-31 on the highway. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

I draw a SIGNIFICANT distinctionbetween the acts of an AGGRESSOR, and the subsequent acts of those against whom it has aggressed. And a whole lot can be "forgiven" of the defender. You can stop right there. Whether you agree with me or not, that, to me, is all the justification I feel is required of a country that has been attacked by the war machine of another country. The lesson to be learned, is, "If you're not gonna like your victim fighting back and fuckin' you up, don't fuckin' start the wheels in motion by trying to take by war what isn't yours." WTF, man. How can anyone bitch about what happens to them after they start a BRUTAL, SICK war and do the kinds of things that the Germans and Japanese did to their victims? You open up a can of whoop-ass, you better be able to handle it. Because as history now points out, it can backfire on you. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Mitch Hedberg, the comedian, said, "When I was a kid I had a paper route. I was supposed to deliver to two thousand houses... ...or two dumpsters!" So it could be worse -- you could have a paperboy like Mitch: not even a soggy paper -- just no paper! -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

The first version of that song I ever heard was Sting's, and it's still my favorite. He makes it sound a lot more poetic and emotional. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

If they eliminated the need to climb to altitude, I think my enjoyment of the activity of skydiving would diminish. I like the airplane ride to altitude. I like the comraderie of cramming into an airplane for better or for worse and waiting while it chugs up into the sky. I like the fact that each jump is spaced out from each other jump by the time it takes to pack and get back up there. This is part of the magic of skydiving for me. I hope I'm not alone in this regard. -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

Holy shit! I couldn't get it back into my head until you said that! Now it's there -- THANK YOU! Now, who sings it? I love the "la-la-la, la-la-la-la-la" stuff in it. Sounds so "world-music"! The vocal sounds SO much like Peter Gabriel to me, but I'm told it's not him... -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

DAMMIT why do you have to catch on so friggin' quickly! -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

If a tip is already arranged via the automatic payment of your bill, it is far out of line for him to be adding himself to the list of people to whom you give Christmas gifts. He is not your family or your friend, and you have done the right thing by tipping him in the provided-for manner! This reminds me of the South Park episode where Cartman assigns which gift his friends are to bring him for his birthday. It's rather presumptuous. P.S. You stink! (I couldn't go a whole post without being disagreeable to you! ) -Jeffrey -Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"