ChasingBlueSky

Zhills isn't sucking, and neither are we! 80F today, any wedgie is worth that. Did I mention no gloves in freefall? Do you think my sandles tan will clash with my winter gear when I get back home? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Remember, it goes both ways (this is pointed at no one in particular). If you want respect, give respect. If a newbie wants the seasoned jumper to listen and respect their thoughts an opinions, the newbie should do the same. Oh yea, somewhere in there you should try to have some fun as well. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Well said, and not a word I don't agree with. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I never supported RIMMs and glad they are going away.... make sure to check www.pricewatch.com for the best prices on computer parts. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

question...i guess im being the deveils advocate..but say someone who is a newbie..doesnt give advice and then is responsible for an incident? and all he or she needed to do was say something but decided to hold their tounge because they didnt want to get their ass chewed out here I'm not saying to keep your mouth shut - but to think first. If it honestly looks like someone is being stupid, and on the path to leave a crater,....then say it. Or better yet - as HappyThoughts said earlier - ask, treat with respect, and voice concern. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Good idea to say that, esp if you have never seen that person in the air...however, if you are on dz.com doing that - you can never make sure that jumper does go check. Are you responsible for that individual? No, but ask yourself - how would you feel reading an incident report that describes some of the advice you gave to that jumper? Think it can't happen? I know people on this board that have spent time in the hospital quite broken because of poor advice given to them by someone they thought were experienced. Talking about door fear, gear fear, how you discovered to relax so you stopped spinning - those are a bit different than what I was refereing to. Don't forget, I was a student as well - I do remember the fear and doubt. Yes, it was a blanket statement. I did that on purpose - not to piss off low experienced jumpers, or to disregard their knowledge. I did it to make them think, nothing more, nothing less. It seems to be working. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Nice job by all! Only 100 tshirts? So the tandem passengers didn't get one? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

To get back to my original statement, I said "advice." I didn't say to let someone jump with an open chest strap, etc. I didn't say keep your mouth shut, I didn't say I wouldn't listen. I'm not playing a semantics game here, nor am I trying to be argumentative. I'm talking advice. "Yea, it's ok to do this since I did it" sorta thing. A newbie will often jump on the first bit of adivce that is in union with their thinking. As far as the listening goes - listening is the best way to see if a newbie really knows what they are talking about. Keep asking questions, dive deeper into their thinking and force them to talk about it out loud. Also - it's good to hear you have done those things - not many go that far. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

http://www.performancedesigns.com/katana/ The timer is at 39 days, 23 hours, etc.... Hmmm...anyone know of an event that happens that day? Guess it will be done soon! _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

And if there is no AFF-1, TM, JM available? Ciels- Michele Then err on the side of safety/conservative/caution until you can get that answer. What's the rush? Or just lead by example: Winds were 20mph - with my canopy skills, I can handle that, and have on many occasions. I saw someone gearing up to get on the load that had low jumps numbers and marginal canopy skills. I went to talk to him and he said he didn't see a problem with the winds. I said "let's check them out again" and walked outside. I voiced that they looked a bit outside his range, and maybe even mine, and I took myself off the load. He followed my lead. Pretty simple stuff, and I didn't mind missing out on one jump for the lesson that was learned. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Maybe walk that person over to an AFF-I, TM, JM, etc and have a conversation about it - and make it a learning experience for you as well. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Chris, I really am on the same page as you - hell, that's part of what Team Funnel encourages...the group was created to work with newbies (for free) to help them through the beginning stages after AFP. But, there is a decent amount of newbies on this board alone that are crossing that line. Possibly without even knowing it - thinking they are actually helping when they don't even know how that person flies, or what their JM told them. Then there are the people on this message board that feel because they have read a lot of posts on advice and have high posting numbers, they are qualified to give advice on hooking, wingloading, freeflying, birdman, etc.... _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

We should be encouraging newbies to talk about their expereinces, rather than have them give advice. Call it what you want. Is it wrong that one guy/girl asks what other students have experienced during a similar AFF Shark AFF-I Shark, I'm hoping you know that is the sort of thing I would encourage - but there are some that go well beyond that sort of talk, and I'm starting to see it become more prevelant and accepted. Very worrisome. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

And you learned what advice to filter out over time and experience and growing at a natural pace in this sport. It seems far too many feel they need to catch up to everyone else in jump numbers....and give some terrible advice. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

New Ideas are not the same thing as possible fatal advice. I encourage new thinking....however, there are some people in this sport talking about things they should not be at very low jump numbers (FYI, at 5 years in the sport and 500 jumps I am still hesitant to give out advice and feel I am still a newbie) _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

There has been a lot of chatter and newbies saying why they should be allowed to give advice etc.... But let me ask you this - if your advice was directly responsible for someone's death, how would you react, and how would it affect your life? Could you handle it? If you spend enough time in this sport, you will watch your friends die - don't rush that timeline. This sport loses a lot of its appeal after you bury a friend. Now - do you still want to give that advice? Do you think you are qualified enough? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

12/23 Work, then hit the road for the start of a 1149 mile road trip to Tampa. 12/24 Arrive in Tampa and spend everyday with the most amazing, beautiful woman. Holiday Hours 12/25 Holiday Hours 12/26-12/31 PTO and jumping at Zhills and Lake Wales 1/1 Holiday Hours 1/2-1/3 Tunnel Time and Holiday hours 1/4 1149 mile road trip back to Chicago 1/5 10 hour work day _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

If you like pictures of Chicago, I found some great ones tonight here: http://www.suntimes.com/photos/ The ones under the Air Show and Sky Scenes will be some stuff most on here will really enjoy. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I want to know what it was like jumping that cliff with the Imax camera on his chest (looked like he went really head low). Heather and I saw it at Six Flags Great America and we both started laughing when you saw the wide stance needed to hold up the camera as he walked to the cliff. Hey Tigra - did you notice how much of a camera geek Dave Brown was in that? _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

link seems to point to an error...I can't download it, or stream it _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Actually no, it is hockey season. Hockey is still in preseason since playoffs haven't begun yet. Gotta admit, watching Farve is an amazing thing...esp tonight with a perfect QB rating going into halftime. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Hmmm....started programming on a TRS80, C64 and the TI80. Oh, I have the CF world record on my desktop right now. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

Tomorrow will be the 8 year anniversary of when I was hit by a drunk driver. I was laid up for four months due to the pain in my lower back and left leg. It took two years before my left leg stopped swelling on a daily basis, and my lower back has never been 100% since. I will forever be in pain due to this guy needing to drive his minivan after 5 beers. Then there was the 6 other cars and a van load of kids that he hit as well. Do you think it was worth it, all those lives he changed, just for a few beers and a short spin behind the wheel? Don't do it again, you got lucky this time. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

......for me to POOP on! _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....

I knew it was a joke from the beginning - I was just trying to preface it with a good trolling line....decided to edit it. _________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again.....