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The problem is that many (most?) sects don't see the stories as illustrative; they interprete them literally. I don't think many people would argue the value of the messages, but friction occurs due to the interpretations, especially those from the literal extreme. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I have a 100% kill rate with springtraps. Smush down a tunnel, if it is raised again within a day or two, it is active. Set the trap in the tunnel. Works every time. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

so what term would you use? My "whiplash" resulted in having my C5,6 and 7 fused with cadaver bone and a titanium plate. Foggy I had that too last summer; except with a chunk of bone from my own hip instead of cadaver. My advice, Get a substitute until you know EXACTLY what is up with your neck. Even minor whiplash (caused by the same dynamics as a hard opening) can lead to big problems. It is a catchphrase of a label, but it is a very real injury. I suppose the proper term would be a hyperextension of the neck or something like that. Talking to the Dr about it is a good idea, but unless the Doc knows skydiving, that advice could be suspect. Inform the Doc that a hard opening imparts the same forces in the same way as a rear-end collision and see what he advises. Better yet, find an ortho who knows skydiving. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Exactly. It's along the lines of, "What was she thinking jogging through Central Park?" "What were you thinking parking your car there?" "Why tempt a kleptomaniac by leaving your rig unattended?" "Why tempt the nasty boss by showing up for work?" "Why tempt Bubba in prison by taking that shower?" I could go on... I think there are things we all do differently because of the sickos in the world. For example, things I would do if there were guaranteed to be no sickos in the world: Allow my kids to go to the park unsupervised. Leave them in the car while I run in to the convenience store for milk and bread. Not lock our doors at night. Walk thru my old neighborhood (south side of Chicago) on a nice warm summer evening. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

More likely, perhaps. Is it her fault she got raped? No. Should she have exercised better judgment to help keep herself safe? Perhaps, given the reality of "sick fucks" out there. But in no way is it her fault that the sick fuck chose to rape her. In. No. Way. Very accurate and important distinction. Dressing for attention increases the odds someone will hassle you to one degree or another. It's not an excuse for their behavior, and doesn't make it the agressee's fault; but that being said - people who dress for attention then complain about the attention get no sympathy from me. And the primary perverts in those little girl paegents are the parents. No kid is born wanting to be a beauty queen. It's learned behavior. They get put in that place by their parents - most of whom I'd guess are living vicariously thru their children. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

QuoteI also harbor Taoist beliefs. When I was in a Victoria's Secret store in Louisiana a few years agoQuote Whoa, whoa, whoa! Back up a bit, and put the Jesus stuff on hold for a second. I'm very dissappointed this was missed or ignored until now. Tell me, slowly and in detail, preferably with pictures to assure the fullest possible understanding; exactly what did you purchase in that visit to Vicky's Secret? " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I agree and it scares me shitless. Most kids do not comprehend the risks of reckless driving. I know I didn't, and I have not met a teeneager yet who is as good a driver as they think they are. They have no baseline, nothing to go on. Of course they all think they are Jeff Gordon. You scared shitlessness is well founded. Traffic accidents are the leading cause of death for 16 to 20 year-olds. And #2 is not even close. Can't remember what it is, but the percentages are something like 42% for traffic accidents, and about 14 or 15% for the next leading cause. Our girls are 6 and 9. Their training has already begun in earnest. I am damned determined that they not join the #1 cause of teenage death. Seems every community has their memorial to some kid or kids that died just before graduation or something like that. Our is called Cally's corner. Nice little picnic area with flowers and tables and a sign in her honor. Too bad more kids don't learn from those. Maybe they would think about it more if instead of the tables and flowers they mounted her smashed up and blood stained car on a pedestal and surrounded it with pictures of her mourning family and friends. The friends limitation is a good thing if you can pull it off. Peer pressure at that age rules the day. Most of the stupid stuff kids do they do to solidify their place in the group. You wanna see where kids are coming from, check out the parents. Wanna see where they are going, check out the friends. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

The right to speed? And exercising that perceived right makes you patriotic? That's precious. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Like my animal flesh cooked, or at least smoked. Raw flesh just doesn't sit well on my palete. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Almost all the energy in a human body is locked up in the form of matter. That matter rots and decays same as in any other plant or animal that dies. It's not like there is a boatload of energy racing around inside the brain (or anywhere else in a body) that suddenly needs to escape and take on another form when a person dies. As far as the original post goes, lots of speculation, not much to go on. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I thought he was with the JPF (Judean People's Front). Or was it the PPJ (Populist Party of Judea). No, it's coming to me now. It was the EBM of the JPP (East Bank Movement of the Judean People's Party). " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Exactly. It would be like going to the planetary alignment/harmonic concordance nuts for information about the solar system. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Maybe, yes, and yes. The big question, for which the correct answer is a highly personal thing is: Would it be worth it? " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Do you think that the Middle East is only just now receiving influence from the United States and Britain? It has been going on for a very long time. Maybe if we stayed out of peoples business, didn’t start wars, basically just stopped fucking with people lives in pursuit of our standard of living they would not hate us. On a high level, I agree with this wholeheartedly. My fear is that things have become so entangled economically and politically that there are no options for a graceful exit. The end game on this one is going to be very ugly. As for the debate. Ain't gonna happen. Sure Ahmad will look very bad by not answering tough questions in anything resembling a manner that would gain him any level of acceptrance. But the Bush camp would never risk having Bush look like an idiot - which is very likely to happen when he adlibs some answers. No matter how well prepped he is, it isn't worth the risk. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Some pretty poor logic in here. Regardless of the individual's motivations, dying in a war that more reflects the personal agenda of a leader gone astray than the will of a nation is just plain wrong. The kind of blind patriotism that makes someone willing to die without questioning the cause is more like brainwashing than some sort of honor. If someone gave me some high and mighty speech justifying their sacrifice regardless of the merits of the situation - I'd say they are a mindless drone. The twists and turns that writer goes thru in an attempt to justify the results are pathetic. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

So we should be seeing a complementary deck soon heh? And then of course a deck poking fun at moderates. You know, people who understand the need to advocate freedom but not really interested in starting WWIII for the sake of fun and profit. Go ahead, slap me. x " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I've never had faith in chiropractors, bad experience with one several years ago. Go get checked up by a doctor. There might be some injuries only and MD can diagnosis, plus they might give you some good meds. Heartily agree. I've had a full lifetime (since age 9) of chronic back problems, including having a couple vertabrae fused and hardware installed last summer. See a real doctor first. And press to get a scan, not just an x-ray. Hopefully you've got insurance to cover the bulk of the costs. Chiros can offer great relief, but have their limits. The problem I have with them is most operate way beyond their limits. There is nothing they can do that a doc and/or physical therapist can't do; and they won't insist you come back twice a week for the rest of your life. If you need to get adjusted twice per week forever, then what you really need is to see a good ortho. The last chiro I saw actually sped up my deterioration. I would have ended up under the knife eventually anyway - he just caused it to be sooner than later. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Interesting new phrase. I like it. I think the overall assessment, while consistent, is a bit depressing. Why don't you join my "God and the 1st Law Of Thermo" discussion, as it evolves? Could be fun I think it was Bertrand Russell who, after taking in all the knowledge he could about Life, the Universe & Everything; came to the depressing conclusion that our puny little inconsequential lives were nothing more than a futile attempt at achieving some sort of enlightenment since the Universe was destined to either expand until it for all practical purposes became a vacuum, or collapse back into a singularity; either way leaving not even a teeny smidgen of a trace that humans (or anything else for that matter) ever existed. (I think this is what causes most people to want there to be an afterlife). Sounds gloomy, but ole Bert missed the point. Which is, yeah, in the really really long term there will be some rough waters, then nothingness - but on the scale of time in which humans exist, that is irrelevant. Our job is to have fun for about 70 or 80 years, make sure enough of our DNA gets left behind, and teach those little DNA filled fleshbags to carry the torch of a civilized society. Who knows, we may never get out of the solar system, which means we will be extinct in what will be the equivalent of a cosmological hour or two. So what. It's the ride of a lifetime, the only one you get, and it is supposed to be fun. It is not within our duty or our comprehension to worry about what will happen in 3 or 5 or 10 billion years. EDIT: Another great thread BTW. Love the insights, comic relief, and even the sometimes biting point-counterpoint. Good day all. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I wish I would have thought of that when they made us guys take Home Ec in 7th grade. I should have told them that according to my family's religious beliefs, that it was forbidden for men to do woman's work. Go ahead, slap me. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

I still think Robin Hood wasn't a liberal or socialist. He stole from the nobility (i.e., the government) because the government selfishly took too much wealth from the people that earned it. And then he gave it 'back' to the people that were taxed out of it. Robin Hood is an analogy for tax cuts........ If Robin Hood was a lefty, he'd steal from the rich (of all kinds), kick them in the shins and say "shame on you", then keep half the money and then give the rest to his friends. Of course if Robin Hood was one of today's righties, it would be the exact same thing other than he'd not pause for the kick and diatribe he'd just skip straight to the money part. Thus he must be a libertarian. Don't know if I could ever make it as a librarian; at least not until they got rid of that stupid Dewey Decimal System. If I were king for a day, I'd just put all the books on the shelves in alpha order by title. If you didn't know the title, you must not be that interested in the topic. Having so many titles start with "The" might be a problem though. I think if Robin Hood were alive today what he'd be is alone. Think of the stench they must have carried, no running water, no toilet paper, haliotosis, and so on and so forth. A sinus infection inhibiting all ability to smell would have been a blessing in those days. don b - dispensing wisdom wherever the truth, and Rosanadanarama humor, are not suppressed. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Until they show up at school board meetings demanding equal time in the Science class or "Evolution is just a theory" stickers in the textbooks. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

Usually available about now thru the Holidays. I asked the liquor store manager why just in the fall. He said even though it is not a bock, but a red beer, most people think of red as bock, so demand for it outside of fall is almost nil. So they only carry it in fall here even though it is produced year round. I rarely drink beer outside of skydiving season, so I'm going to try to get him to carry it beginning in April next year. It IS one scrumdilly-icous brew. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

No, you made a much different and more simplistic mistake. But if you want to discuss statistical analysis sometime, let's at least do it over a couple drinks at the pool - the subject is pretty tiring, and, as I said originally, polling analysis is designed to allow bias for the pollsters. As I said, colinearity is a bitch - whether you are talking regression or correllation. edit: and I do think that hunk of chocolate looks mostly like a turd. (In Chevy Chase Caddyshack tone): Well, there's the pool, . . . or the creek. The creek would be good for you. And what hunk of melty dripping chocolate doesn't look like a turd. Everything was just returning to civility and you mention the T word again. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

What's your pleasure, I'd be happy to spring for it!

I find it tremendously amusing that you get so bent out of shape over someone making a joke about one of your pet symbols yet have obviously gone out of your way to try and offend people with your sig line. The original comment about Mary that was offensive was NOT a joke, I believe, although it was couched as "humor." As for my sig line, it's a shame that the only way you can interpret it is as offensive. I guess that's the lense through which you see. There is actually a much different way to read that statement. I'm sorry you don't see it. It isn't at all meant to offend. The offensive sig is the one that suggests anyone who does not believe in the same mythical being as the writer cannot be a good person. If you're referring to my sig line, you're reading an awful lot into it, Far more than what it actually says... which is that we should feel sorry for those who don't know of the God to whom they should direct their gratitude. But that is what does bother, and yes, even offends some people. That feeling sorry bit. A buddy of mine who's wife found God rather suddenly got into that with me. She was very regularly telling people how sorry she felt for them. That is so condescending. I don't want anybody's pity, especially for my beliefs. " . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley