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Awesome list man, well done. You left off "A Bridge Too Far," IMO, but that wouldn't have gotten my vote anyway. Definately a great war movie though. Saving Private Ryan: I won't hold that fact that it was a huge box office hit against it. Incredible movie. Apocalypse Now: got the insanity of war covered quite nicely, thank you very much. Deer Hunter: the reason I can say I love DeNiro and not be embarassed. Platoon: overrated. Sheen was unimpressive [like that's news] Full Metal Jacket: do or die! gung ho! gung ho! gung ho! fun movie, but like people've said not much of a war movie. More of a war flick. Good movie though. Bridge on the River Kwai: [and the other old movies you listed]: absolutely wonderful. just, wow. Enemy at the Gates: best movie concerning sniping that I have ever seen. I have to say though, the real Vassili Zaitsev was one of the ugliest men I have ever seen. Not exactly Jude Law for looks [women have told me he's "hot" but then again the princess in Braveheart was barely a toddler, so hey, it's the movies] Black Hawk Down: too choppy to really get it the first time, but doesn't that just make it better as a war movie, if less enjoyable as a flick? Fog of war, Mr. Murphy anyone? The Patriot: I'm surprised someonevoted for it. Good movie, would have been better if it hadn't followed Braveheart, but not really all the much for a movie. If you include this in the list, why not Braveheart? Pearl Harbor: anyone who votes for this deserves to be in the same category as 'Navy SEALs' and 'Sniper' witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Oh, here's a good one. From the sixth Q&A: You would think according to this that they would not have a problem with taking a firearm containing those horrible features, and remaking it without them, right? So why are they slandering manufacturers who have done just that? Without those dreaded features, it's just another semi-auto rifle, right? They say something about a rapid rate of fire for the "assault weapons." Squeezing the trigger for one round for semi-auto hunting and sporting rifles, and the same for semi-auto "assault weapons," how does this create a rapid rate of fire? More to the point, how does this create a more rapid rate of fire? They act like the gun will shoot faster or be more deadly at long range because it has a pistol grip or collapsible stock. I just don't get these people. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Now I know "The Truth". I am so grateful that you deign to reveal the Truth to me. Come on, you two play nice. Seriously, don't posture on this one, kallend. You've said it in roundabout ways, but John just wants to hear you say it [and honestly so do I]: Are you against the Assault Weapons Ban, and hence for the 1994 AWB Sunset w/o reauthorization? On a personal note, the sunset's only 219 days away. Sweet. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Does that mean I get to claim the morally superior position? Do I get to apply double standards too? Sorry, too much time in political threads. Overall, you're right, but that was just a cool commercial. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Aren't they fun to watch? Normally one side is just so far above the other in these debates/arguments/rants, but these two are like title fighters. And not that Holyfield-Tyson crap, I mean a real fight! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

That's not true, I'll always remember the skyboarder/goose commercial with the Dew. That was the best superbowl commerical I ever saw. And the flock in pepsi formation was cool at the end. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Big Bad tha Ass Grabba Works for me. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Oooh, I really like this site: http://www.handguncontrolinc.org/ I'm particularly fond of the part about the SNiVeL. That's a classic. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

boy, you two are fun to watch when you get under each other's skin. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Handgun Control Inc Dictionary *** HANDGUN CONTROL, INC. DICTIONARY *** AMAZING FIREPOWER - a) holding more than two shots; b) makes a loud 'boom' which could hurt the ears of a child. ARMOR-PIERCING AMMO - Any round capable of penetrating 5 layers of aluminum foil, or a heavy sweater. Must be banned. ASNER, Edward - An actor world renowned for his brilliant portrayal of a major metropolitan newspaper editor; truthful, handsome, virile yet kindly and honest spokesman whose veracity is unassailable when he speaks of the need for gun control. BILL OF RIGHTS - A piece of parchment written by dead white males, that is either worthless or sacred, depending on whether the portion under consideration agrees with us. BRADY, SARAH - Saintly daughter of FBI agent, who grew up with guns, then decided they are wrong for the rest of us. Similarity of philosophy to that of Adolf Hitler has been exaggerated. CANNON, HOWITZER, ELEPHANT GUN - Any weapon having "amazing firepower" (above), eg, any firearm more powerful than a .22 blank starters Pistol. Must be banned. CIVILIZATION - Those parts of the world where guns are outlawed (like New York City, or Northern Ireland). COP-KILLER BULLET - Either a hard, non-expanding bullet, or a soft, expanding bullet, depending on which isn't banned yet. CSGV / HCI - Socially responsible organizations of honest, concerned, truthful citizens of the highest integrity who only want to keep Saturday Night Specials out of the hands of criminals. CRIMINAL - Anyone possessing a gun, if we get our way... CULTURE OF GUNS - Those Americans still capable of original or independent thought. Must be reeducated to understand that we, not they, know what's best for them. (We haven't ruled out "camps"...) DEADLY ASSAULT RIFLE - Any open-sighted firearm that will fire two or more consecutive rounds without major inconvenience to the user. Must be banned. DEADLY SNIPER WEAPON - Any weapon capable of accepting an optical sighting device. Must be banned. DEADLY "STEALTH" WEAPON - Any gun with a quiet or muffled report, e.g. air guns. Must be banned. DEADLY ASSAULT PISTOL - Aww, hell, even we don't know what this is. Better ban 'em all, just to be sure... GUN - Any oblong metallic object capable of harming a child, even if he drops it on his foot. Must be banned IMMEDIATELY. HESTON, Charlton - An obscure, little-known actor who once had a minor role in a movie about the Bible; has been known to espouse the pro-gun propaganda of the NRA. Probably a student of Soviet disinformation techniques. HUNTERS - Sadistic uncivilized cretins who wantonly massacre morally superior peace-loving woodland creatures with assault rifles and elephant guns, then leave the carcasses to rot while they (the hunters) drink beer. Many seem to worship severed heads. Must be taxed to clean up their contribution to urban violence (the current $75 Million in fees stupidly goes to husband more animals for them to shoot). JUSTIFIABLE OUTPOURING OF RAGE BY VICTIMS OF 12 YEARS OF ECONOMIC VIOLENCE - Riot. LEAD - Toxic substance used to make bullets that kill children ... (what, they're not buying that? ... well, how about ...) - Toxic substance that contaminates drinking water when mistakenly used in pipe solder (yeah, that's the ticket!). Must be taxed out of existence to pay for "cleanup". LIES - Anything the National Rifle Association says. LOBBYIST - 1) An HCI representative who tells the truth to Congress about gun control. 2) An NRA representative who lies to the Congress about gun control. MACHINE GUN - (old) Any firearm capable of firing more than one round without having to ram powder, patch, and ball down the barrel. (current) Any gun containing parts made with machines. MERCENARY - Anyone who owns an assault rifle. NATIONAL RIFLE ASSN. - An organization made up of ultra right-wing redneck, beer-swilling, roadsign-shooting bumkins, who believe everyone should be forced to own a machine gun loaded with cop-killer bullets, and skinheads should each own two. POLITE SOCIETY - Hate-filled "code-word" for racist, sexist, gay-bashing slaughterhouse that would result if unwashed masses were not restrained by big government, with us in charge. POLLS - 1) A random sampling of good & decent people that proves a majority want gun control. 2) A biased sampling of NRA members that NRA uses to claim people don't want gun control. RANGE - Place where homicidal maniacs are encouraged by the NRA to practice killing women and children. RELOADING - The black art of manufacturing cop-killer bullets clandestinely by the dark of night in one's basement. Probably involves witchcraft. SAFE STORAGE LAWS - It's 3 am, do you know where your guns are? We do, and just to make sure, we're going to come in and look around. Smart off, and you're under arrest. Resist, and we'll take your house. SABOT - Bullet which only kills police. Somehow it knows. SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIAL - Any weapon affordable to working people. Won't sleep until these are banned. SCHUMER, CHARLES - may already be a wiener. (see Opportunists, shameless). SEETHING CAULDRON OF HOMICIDAL RAGE - holder of concealed carry permit. SEMI-AUTO - Weapon capable of pumping bullet after bullet into your daughter's dead body. The NRA wants everyone to have one. SPORTSMAN - Anyone who doesn't use a firearm in recreational or outdoor activity. STATISTICS - 1) A series of numbers that prove our point. 2) A series of numbers the NRA lies about, which proves our point. THROWING OFF THE SHACKLES OF ENSLAVEMENT - Armed Robbery. TOOLS OF SICK PARA-MILITARY FANTASY - Paint guns, starters pistols, camo gear, combat boots, etc. Must all be banned. TRUTH - Anything Handgun Control, Inc. says (see "Pravda"). Call us, we'll tell you what to think. Or better yet, keep your mouth shut and just send more money. TWELVE YEARS OF REAGAN-BUSH - (a) Why I did it; (b) Why it's not my fault. WAITING PERIOD - Will either break the back of crime, or be completely insufficient and ineffective, depending on the date of the HCI press release relative to passage of the Brady Act. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

What on God's Green Earth is an "Assault Pistol?" witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I knew I couldn't possibly know something that made this POS work. You're right, still streaming. I'm going back to work. Oooh, shiny things........ witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Folks, anytime you see a website with a file extension at the end, avi, mp3, whatever, you can right click the link and "save target as." I've had the file since I first saw it posted. Streaming schmeaming. Have I actaully just told computer folks something intelligent that they didn't know ?!? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I'm fairly sure it was CNN with the AK incident, but it doesn't surprise me what you're telling me about NBC. And people wonder why I love the media so. Sucks when the government fucks with your hobbies because they might be dangerous if misused. Innocent until proven guilty? Yeah, once upon a time, in a galaxy far, far away, in the Autumn mist in Honalee.... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You wouldn't be referring to the Broward County / CNN incident, now would you? You know, the one where they used a full auto AK47 to disintegrate and cinderblock, and then used it's semi-auto cousin, which fires the exact same ammo, and said it didn't scratch the block. It could be because the sheriff (or was is a deputy) was firing into the ground with the semi-auto. Of course, they did this segment to cover the AWB which has nothing at all to do with full auto anyway. Nah, that's not biased reporting. Doesn't even approach dishonesty, right? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Your ATF Link Read the definition on that page for Antique Firearm, of for that matter, read Firearm. You'll notice their definition differs greatly from what you and I would call a firearm. They are only interested in what falls into their jurisdiction. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

From the ATF website:Machine gun We were discussing full automatic fire, not the definition of machine gun. Has anyone ever told you you argue like a liberal? Full auto and burst make a machine gun, but a machine gun does not make full auto and burst. The two are separate modes of fire. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Let's hear it for kallend! Yes, I just said that. One last time (yeah right, I wish) what is on the AWB list is semi automatics; one squeeze, one shot. What you're talking about is full-auto or burst, which is specially regulated and monitored by the ATF. This is why gun owners don't understand and are so vehemently against the AWB: it covers guns the function no differently from any other semi-auto. Read the text of the 1994 AWB, the Clinton-Feinstein one. It lists cosmetic features that make a firearm illegal. Yes. You read that right. Things like 'pistol grips' which make rifles easier to control for many shooters, or collapsible stocks, which allow and husband and wife, or any other shooters of different stature, to fire the same rifle; that's what they decided makes an assault weapon. Yet now they complain that companies are "exploiting loopholes" just because they designed the same firearms without those cosmetic features. Well if the same firearms without those cosmetic features are so horrible, then banning guns based on those features is pretty damned ridiculous, wouldn't you say? Well, the authors of the Second Amendment (yes, those same guys who wrote the constitution and the rest of the bill of rights) said that "regular civilians" were to be the militia, and that they should not be denied arms. As to the training part, well, the NRA's original mission in 1871 was to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis." The rest of the training took place as necessary with War Department/DOD liaisons. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

AUTOMATIC A firearm designed to feed cartridges, fire them, eject their empty cases and repeat this cycle as long as the trigger is depressed and cartridges remain in the feed system. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I hadn't heard about the move back to auto, but I quesiton it. There's a reason for the BAR, the SAW, and their kind. You can't blame a firearm for failure to conserve ammo. It's just the difference of requiring ten sqeezes versus one long one. Rat-tat-tat, Rat-tat-tat, Rat-tat-tat is just as scary as Rat-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-tat. (that is the purpose of supressive fire, to scare your enemy into hiding) And by definition, automatic fire means that as long as the trigger is held/pressed and ammo is not exhausted, the gun will continue to fire. (I'm sure there's prettier wording, but that gets the point across) That's why you have to distinguish burst from full-auto. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I was referring to our little tiff in posts 79-81, concerning this post of yours. And just an FYI for people here, IIRC most infantry don't carry fully automatic firearms. They carry whatever the latest version of the M-16 is, with the toggle going between safe, semi-auto, and three round burst. So when we talk about appropriateness to militias, full-auto shouldn't even enter the conversation. Scalia isn't the one who needs our help in this matter, it's three or four other justices who might. And I thought you might like this tid-bit: St. Gabriel Possenti - the Patron Saint of Handgunners, for "Jesus said at the Last Supper, 'The one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one.'" LINK witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Your original statement is false. I dunno kallend, I haven't seen you speak up against anti-gun positions too often. He has a point. ps - I was wondering what you had to say about the little spat I had with quade over your post. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

ok, that one brought the tea right up my nose. ju bast-ardo witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Wow, this is turning into a strange 24 hours. First I agree with kallend, now this. Just, wow. Anyway, she's right, politicians are POS. No news there. I just like the original post because I am tired of people knocking on Bush while they supported doing exactly what's doing now. If you agree with anything we've done in Eastern Europe recently (Bosnia, Kosovo, etc) then you have to agree with Iraq. Don't have to like Bush, and if he lied then, whoa, he's another politician, but going into Iraq was not different from Somalia or a dozen other (Clinton) conflicts. OK, so Clinton was a poll reader stuck in a president's body, and Bush is, well I'll let a liberal fill in the blank. Just want to put it out there that you can knock Bush for lying if you think he did, but (A) so does every other politician and (B) if you knock him for Iraq you have to knock Clinton three of four times equally as hard. Any liberals going to step up and do that? If not, leave it alone already. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*