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I suppose that depends on your definition of war. Clinton was happy to simply continue bombing into eternity. We weren't accomplishing much, but hey when your nasty tricks are in the spotlight, let's go bomb something. He took us to war how many times that we didn't need to go? And he pulled necessary support due to political considerations (aka reading polls) how my times? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

They must have been travelling First Class this time. I've seen twice that many piling out of a 1970's Accord. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I realize that, but I wanted to put it on the record, and make it clear to antone else reading. Right now I'm looking into Alabama reciprocity and seeing what the cheapest way to cover the states that I see myself visiting. It may actually be cheaper to get two out-of-state permits and go that route than it would to be get AL CCW and different out-of-state to cover the gaps. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Just remember, unless it's Right To Carry process, it doesn't change a thing. Kings County [home of NYC] actually does have a set up for concealed carry permits. It's just that they only issue them to celebrities and other back scratchers/favor traders. Right to carry institutes a fair process by which anyone meeting clearly defined criteria is issued a CCW permit. Anything else just doesn't cut it. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, see, that's the problem. Militias don't use those. The weapons covered by the 1994 AWB are semi-automatic. The weapons used my the military, and "assault weapons" as defined by the DOD, are select-fire. Select Fire means you flick a switch to change from semi-auto to burst or full-auto. And since militias should be armed like the military [like the infantry anyway], I thought asking him to clarify might be prudent. Besides, I respect kallend far too much to call him "the average person." As far as I can tell, the average person is a friggin idiot. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The Buddy Christ, from Dogma. George Carlin, Matt Damon, and that POS ben something-or-other. The one that was owned by JLo. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Heaven help me for saying this, but I agree with kallend. Not entirely mind you, but still. I don't go along with his precise militia interpretation, but it bears consideration. And while I question John's stats less ...vigorously... than kallend, there's nothing wrong with questioning things. [it is how we learn afterall] I do think kallend should come out and say full-auto or select-fire guns, rather than 'assault weapons,' simply because people fail to grasp the difference. [he is using the term correctly if applied to select-fire rifles/carbines/handguns] witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

and I bet a lot of foreign countries/citizens would say this Company is worse than The Company. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

That's not Plastic Jesus! That's the Buddy Christ! OK, who knows what the hell I'm talking about? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Come on man, I just saw that episode of Dexter, and I was inspired. If there's a "further," I'll go there. Unless I'm carrying a Barrett, in which case I don't have to. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

OK, this is as far as I got in the thread before my eyes started to tear up. Here's the simple answer: as an "expert" do you think you could hit a target that was one inch wide by about a foot long? Do you think you could do it under stress? Do you think you could do that while it was in motion? If you answered yes to all three, you have a ridiculous definition of "expert," and you're wrong. btw - If you couldn't tell, I was describing a femur that was running at you, attached to said attacker with knife. I'd loved a magic wand that I could wave and knock anyone down and pin them without killing them, that worked every time. You come up with that, and I would consider not worrying about CCW. Until then, what "wound" exactly, could you inflict that would stop an attacker? Remember, you have less than two seconds to stop him before he stabs you. [oh, and you're probably dead before you finished reading that sentence] witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Hamburger du Fromage ---> Cheeseburger witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I don't know about the NRA site, but I'm going to give a quick look at some of their logic. See if you follow me. [btw, love the pastels on the MMM site] OK, so the anti gun group says: SNS guns are non-sporting, low-quality handguns with barrels less than three inches, and that they lack essential safety features. Really? I say a gun can be used in any way you choose, sporting or otherwise. As to safety features, they have more than a Glock, which is a very expensive pistol used by the NYPD. OK, so the anti gun group says: these handguns are not useful for sport or self-defense because their short barrels make them inaccurate and their low quality of construction make them dangerous and unreliable. Really? I say a short barrel has na effect on inherent accuracy. I aslo say they are ideal for self defense because their short barrel makes then easy to manuver in close quarters, lighter so they are easier to carry, and most self defense happens at less than twenty feet, so target practice at 100 yard is not necessary. As to the quality claims, some of the most respected manufacturers out there have had models put on SNS lists; Taurus, S&W, Ruger. Also, some people drive shitty used cars. Are we going to ban them because they are less safe than a brand new caddie or beamer, or because they don't perform like one? I could easily go on to every single Q and A they list on the site, but I'll just hit the easiest one for now: OK, so the anti gun group says: "There are currently no quality and safety standards in place for domestically manufactured firearms." Really? I say apparently they've never heard of SAAMI. OK, so the anti gun group says: "The Consumer Product Safety Commission is prohibited by law from imposing safety standards on guns." Actaully, that's true, but only because legislators believe some bureaucrat should not be allowed to ban the manufacture of guns. etc, etc, etc witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I was just talking about the history of the phrase "Saturday Night Special." If you'll grant me some leeway, it comes from the original phrase Niggertown Saturday Night. If you seriously do homework on it, rather than one google search, you'll find most gun control actually has beginnings in racism. And here I thought you actually read my posts. You'd know I don't take one side as fact and the other as fiction. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

And here I told myself I was going to bed. I should have known better. quade, we've been over this. I'm not asking for full auto to be treated like every other gun. I 'm against the assault weapons ban, though, because it has nothing to do with assault weapons. It bans semi-automatic guns that look like military and other full auto firearms. Well, I don't think winsor thinks that way of me, and he knows where I stand. ps - "beneath" sorry, but it's not often I get one on you. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yeah, what he said. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Not only that, you have to determine exactly what constitutes an arrest [according to the courts]. It's not as clear cut as you think. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

There are lots of examples of when you don't have to Mirandize a person. [for these statements, when I say "you," assume you are a police officer] First, if you are just getting admin information, like name, DOB, address, etc you don't have to pull out the card, even if they are under arrest and in cuffs. Second, as long as you don't ask any questions or dig for information in any way, you can let them talk til their heart's content. There are more, but I can't think right now and am going to bed. For cases generally weakening Miranda, look up the following New York v Quarles Oregon v Elstad Colorado v Connelly Colorado v Spring Connecticut v Barrett Patterson v Illinois Duckworth v Eagoan Pennsylvania v Muniz McNeil v Wisconsin Davis v US As to what constitutes an interrogation for Miranda purposes, look into Brewer v Williams Rhode Island v Innis Arizona v Mauro Those two in bold distinguish a very fine line concerning Miranda. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So . . . then . . . like religion, gun manufacturing and sales should be tax exempt? I mean, I'm pretty sure you'd go freekin' nuts if media companies were tax exempt. You're right, I'm not looking for tax exemption, but how about not trying to outlaw every affordable firearm out there. You're in California, and it's a weekday, so there must be an article in the paper about "Saturday Night Specials." Ever stop to think what one of those really is? [nb - look up the history of that phrase one of these days, gives an interesting peek into the history of gun control] witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

They do have really cool buildings. But those were probably outsourced anyway. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Douva is right about the body guard thing being O'Donnell, but Barr is no better, with guns or looks. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yeah benny, we're with you man. We can start a webring, too PETA HCI OK, so that was more like the way teachers used to say we. Like "my aren't we acting like little devils," referring to to the person addressed. And fyi, yes, I do find myself amusing. >8^P` witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Boy, that sure beats the racism, cough, ahem, sorry, Multiculturalism they preached at Maryland. And that browning is calling my name. :::drool::: ah, Hi Poooooow-er witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

yeah, I should have added the disclaimer: "nb - With 20,000+ guns laws on the books, I'm sure there's an exception to everything." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I may be able to think like a psychopath, but you just think like a freak! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*