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You're a thread drift nazi! Kerry is a propaganda machine! Soros' "527" groups are brownshirts! billvon is Hitler's illegitimate son! well, maybe not that last one, but hey, I had to get Hitler in somehow. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

And this is the foundation of your justification for further handgun bans? Not exactly solid. . witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals says the 2nd amendment applies only to states, as a collective right. The 5th Circuit Court of Appeals says the 2nd Amendment applies to citizens, and an individual right. Reading past Supreme Court cases and founding documents, the 5th Circuit is right. The most recent case mentioning the 2nd Amendment is U.S. v. Verdugo-Urquidez (1990). And if you only want to look at Miller, then you have to think every weapon appropriate to a fighting force is covered. Simply, Miller is a poorly reasoned and poorly written decision. Thankfully, there are 30 or so other cases relating to the 2nd Amendment which we can look to for clarification. Also, if you want to know why Morton Grove's ban was left standing, read the article HERE. It still exists because of one greedy, glory seeking lawyer who was too stupid to know the only name ha'd make for himself would be one cursed by gun owners. Thank the activist judge on the district court and the SOB Judge Bauer from the Seventh Circuit. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Sure they can. All it takes is that you care about what you're doing, and do it patiently and attentively. Ask Kennedy or AggieDave if they feel that they could handle a gun 100,000 times and manage to not shoot themselves or something else by accident, and I'm pretty sure they'll say yes. See, when they put a gun in their hands, their minds say, "Well, better do this the right way," and so they do. It's no miracle, no secret, no arcane magic. It's just training and responsible action. I lost count at 100 lbs of lead down range when I was about 15. (yeah, it's nice when relatives own and operate a range) I don't know that I've put 100,000 rounds down range, or even held a gun 100,000 times, but yes, I'm sure I can and will do it safely (unless I die driving on a public street first). The only time I ever shoot something "by accident" is when I miss the bullseye and hit other paper or dirt. You know, I have a woman saying the same thing about me... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

come on, don't call them documentaries. they don't deserve the title. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Now that's some funny shit. ps - but when the hell you gonna put me on the drunk dial list? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Really makes you wonder.... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

but they promised it would only cost a few million, and it would pay for itself, and eden would come back to earth, and witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

OK, here's my bottom line. Skydiving, even if you do everything right, is inherently dangerous. Driving alone on private land is less so, if everything is done right. Driving on public streets is more so, even if everything is done right. Owning a firearm, if all rules of safety are followed, is not dangerous at all. If I go out on my own land and shoot at my private range (hypothetical, I have no land), there is no danger to me. If I carry concealed and go out in public (hypothetical, waiting for sheriff to "permit" me), my own firearm is not dangerous to me. If I keep a firearm in my home (hypothetical, I rent), there is no danger to me. By your definition, EVERYTHING in life is dangerous. Really, can you find anything that is not "able to cause harm?" If everything is done right, skydiving with your own rig can still kill you. If everything is done right, carrying your own firearm cannot kill you. Hence I conclude carrying a firearm is safer than skydiving. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You draw a line there that may not exists. That's a judgment call. I could easily argue the reverse as true (whether or not I believe it), or I could say both sides are doing the same thing, choice A or B. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Bill, how many automobiles do you think there are in the US? They "have an incredible capacity to injure and kill when misused," and they were not designed to do so. Every tool has a capacity to injure and kill when misused. For every gun crime or firearm accident you read about, remember that there are more guns in this country than people. That's right, there is at least one gun for every man woman and child. You should also remember that guns prevent 2.5 million crimes every year. Does that make them safe? No. Does that fact that their misuse can hurt you make them dangerous? No. Why not? They can't hurt you. They are an inanimate chunk of metal. Their use does not put you in danger. Think about it. Remember the accident statistics you laughed at? There are more accidental drownings just in buckets than all firearms related accidental deaths. Are you going to claim owning buckets is dangerous? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I never thought of that. You bring up a very good point. The agent must have pulled the trigger after the slide returned to rest (or been pulling the trigger as it did so). Any other option requires a full auto feature that simply does not exist in federal-issue duty pistols. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Many police agencies use a similar drum before checking firearms (prior to shift, maintenence, etc). It exists as a failsafe for human stupidity. If an officer unloads his firearm properly, there is no need for the drum. It exists for those few times when idiots show their stripes. You have to remember, when pointing into the drum, no one expects a bang, because there should be no cartridge in the chamber. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You;ve heard "never take a knife to a gun fight,," right? Well, I say never take less than twice what you think you'll need. Someone recently asked my uncle what his favorite weapon was. (I suppose they wanted his opinion because he is miltary) His response? "My favorite weapon is a company of Marines." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

It's real easy to see where folloing ideas of the Left requires no knowledge of scientific facts and/or studies. Examples: animal rights versus population control (hunting) eco freaks versus conservationists gun grabbers versus the right to self defense Shall I continue? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You're not doing so well on points of law lately prof. MOST laws, when they are passed, apply to the future. This is circumstance is referred to as ex post facto. Quite simply, when acts are outlawed, those that have already been committed are not crimes (at least, they cannot be punished). John's point is that a person who has commited no crime and takes no new action, who causes no harm an has no intent, is suddenly a criminal. I don't like the idea of instantly becoming a felon when I cross state lines (or in this case, city limits). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

First, congratulations on your decision. Second, for the rifle, well that is just too much to offer suggestions without a long conversation first. For the handgun, Glocks, HKs, Sigs, and Kimbers are all fine firearms. There are other high quality models out there, but they top the list. Para-Ordinance is also making a huge name for themselves. Try out the LDA: "light double action" in their pistols (higher capacity coming soon ). I know a few who swear by their Browning High Powers. I find the grip uncomfortable and the trigger atrocious, but the point is wrap your hands around as many as possible, for as much use as possible. If you consider a revoler, Taurus, S&W, and Sturm Ruger are tops in the industry. (my next purchase will likely be a Taurus 650SS (a 5 round .357 revolver, seen here) Remember, the AWB sunsets in 131 days. That means more for .40s and 9mms. (the shorter brass makes higher capacity easier) It means significantly less for .45s. A good place to start looking for more options Now This Was FUN! What Gun Are YOU? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

There's the difference. To skydive is to inherently put your life in danger. You are two to three miles above the earth, relying on nylon to save your life. Gun ownership, on the other hand, bears no inherent risks. Gun ownership is like buying a rig, there's nothing dangerous about it. How many times have you heard pulling referred to as saving your own life? Your life is at risk on a skydive, when you use your rig, no two ways about it. Using a firearm, however, does not bring you to danger. That's why I can say gun ownership is less dangerous than skydiving. That's why I can say gun ownership is not dangerous at all, any more than hammer ownership. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Even if you want a gun in the room, why not have a dummy gun, like the blue gun or the red gun? Or how about simply unloading before going into a safety demonstration? Or maybe he could simply follow the rules of safe gun handling!! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

OK, here's a question: What type of stun gun was this? I don't remember reading anything specific about it. Some stun guns fire two prongs attached to wires, others require contact. Which was in the Durango? edit: the story John linked to shows a stun gun that fires two prongs, but is that they type of gun found in the Durango, or just a file photo for the website? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

See, you just made me realize skydiving is more dangerous than owning a gun. I realize skydiving that I might not go home tonight. With gun ownership, if it's just me and the gun, I know I'm going home tonight. With skydiving, the ground is always "pointed at you." The same is not true with firearms. Maybe you're seeing something I'm not... what might do me in if I follow the four rules of safe gun handling? fyi, they are: 1: Every firearm is loaded until you personally verify otherwise (applies every time you pick up the gun). 2: Never point the firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy. 3: Keep our finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. 4: Be sure of your targets and what is beyond them (means know what is downrange). a fifth rule/courtesy is to unload a firearm and lock open the action every time you pass the firearm to another (open the bolt, lock back the slide, swing out the cylinder, etc) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

There's no such thing as over-reacting. Zero tolerance means zero lee-way and zero circumstances. That's the problem with zero tolerance. It requires zero intelligence. This girl was lucky. I've read too many articles reporting that AP honors students, etc are being expelled for ridiculous shit. And someone please remind me what a police dog would "alert" on with a stun gun. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Tell them to get out and vote third party. If they want more (generally equals better, right?) choices, they can help legitimize (is that a word?) third parties. Me? I'm going libertarian in this election (not that it matters in Alabama). Storm: I have the opposite of your problem, so I'm free to do as I please. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

From the horse's......mouth "I think the election will be a referendum on George Bush" "The Kerry campaign is quite unimportant compared to how people feel about Bush when they go into the voting booth" witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, there was this thing called a war going on... Would you have preferred we let the Russians take Berlin first and then conquer the entire country? As I recall, the Russians were no less cruel to Germans than the Nazis has been to Jews, gypsies, and other untermensch. As I recall, there were at least three foreign militaries in West Germany, plus the newly formed Bundeswehr. (you think maybe that was not the same thing as giving guns and power back to the Nazis and the Brownshirts?) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*