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Just two more pennies, but I remember some psycho on campus who managed to calm down long enough to say that the bible did infact mention dinosaurs, in the guise of leviathan and behemoth (I think those are the names he mentioned, I don't remember, and I don't have the book memorized). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

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Questions that would arise from what? A picture of the President on the wall with other Presidents? Indoctrination and education are not only divergent goals, they border on mutually exclusive. This ranks right up there with the mantra of "guns are bad," or "it takes a village," and so on. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

My experience, backed up by several polls, is that most street cops tend to support gun rights to some extent, while most chiefs, sheriffs, and bureaucrats/administrators tend to favor gun control. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Here's what I don't understand: If you're not fact checking his statements, Kerry has always been smooth as a porcelain john. Bush on the other hand, has never had a great presentation for live Q&A. If all the people out there are saying Kerry won solely because he had a bit better "stlye and grace," why the hell did they bother to watch? Those facts have long been in evidence with no contention. What the hell happened to what a candidate said being important to a race at least more so than how he said it? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

It's much easier to just say "Ivaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnn," in such instances. It brings less flmes in response. However, I am still interested in anyone explaining why Bush was wrong to agree with so many liberals/Democrats. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

KEv, what the hell did S 1805 have to do with the troops? Voting one way or the other didn't affect troops. Let's keep the bill separate. The 87 billion had nothing to do with S 1805. Where did you get that? The bill was brought up for consideration. It had the votes to pass as it was, but democrats wouldn't allow it to the floor without bringing amendments to it. They brought amendments to it, including the extension of the AWB and other anti-gun measures. After successfully altering a lawsuit refrom bill to include their anti gun agenda, they then voted agaisnt the bill's final passage. As I recall, Kerry voted to add the AWB renewal to the bill, it was added, then he voted against the bill. The bill died in the Senate. It never went to Bush, so he didn't have a chance to sign it or veto it. One more case of Kerry being for something before he was agaisnt it? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I sense that a kitten is going to die! Hmmm... Nope. No dead kittens. A puppy is about to come into the world. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I wish I'd thought of that, but since I'm only part republican, I guess I couldn't use "we" either. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

No worries, your atricles spawns a whole separate line of thought and web of issues. Worthy of a new thread, in my book. What kind of odds would you take on wagering the Senate will take action? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

No, the CPSC should not be trashed. It seems to do a fine job overseeing most consumer goods. However, you a very wrong in your thoughts. WHen bureaucrats show they can't be trusted, you have to look to someone who can. SAAMI shows just how wrong you are. Manufacturers do just that. edit: witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Link to thread with text of bill and articles concerning the bill It's good to know who our friends are in the House. I'm not going to hold my breath for Senate action though. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Gotcha. Thanks. Can't believe I forgot one of the bureaucracies that wanted to ban guns as an unsafe product, but we'll leave that to another thread. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Nader wants to run the College Park Skydiving Crew? Oh jeez, I better call Dave and let him know his presidency is in danger. Really, it's not ringing a bell. CPSC? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

No, but with just 50 votes in the Senate, the treaty can control what is the law of the land (regardless of constitutionality, since gun banners don't seem to care about a "200 year old piece of parchment). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Holy Christ. I thought this was going to be a joke thread. I can't believe I haven't heard about this. How long have they known the date and time for this? I never even heard a whispered rumor about it. Well, I guess this'll be my time for ordering PPV. If I'm in Birmingham, I'll get it on the montstrous big screen in my brother's house. Six pack for admission, all are invited!! THis one should be interesting to say the least. (I've been saying for years that LaPierre should face off with Feinstein) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yes. If Bush wins, you will hear the same bitching you hear everytime a Republican wins. (negative attacks, soft money, religious right, extremist views, pandering to voters, blah blah blah) It'll really be fun if there's another Floridiot type situation. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I swear, everytime he tries to explain the I voted for it before I voted against it, the shit just gets deeper and deeper. By the way, can anyone tell me whether Kerry is for the war or against it? He has said (and this is only what I can remember): We spent too much on the war. We haven't spent enough on the war. Knowing what we know now, he would not have gone to war. Knowing what we know now, he would have gone to war. Saddam was enough to justify the war, without finding WMDs. Saddam was not enough to justify the war, without finding WMDs. Any other positions on the war? Honestly, can anyone say they know what this guy thinks of the war? If so, how can they explain his clear statements to the contrary? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Don't take this as an insult, it is simply a statement of fact: you are ignorant of both crime rates between our countries and of guns in general. ahem, and I quote: I rest my case for that line of thought. Factually incorrect. If you cannot cope with that fact, it is not my problem. This form of insult is unacceptable in the forums. I understand that you are new, but take heed, personal insults are not tolerated in these forums. I find it insulting that you say what you do, but that does not make it an insult. Calling someone a dumbass is a personal insult, and a personal attack. Ask a moderator if you are not sure what I am talking about. Good day to you. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

John, I am tired of trying to explain to someone who is unwilling to listen or learn. Would you post the reasons, or a link to a past thread, where it was made abundantly clear why comparing the US to the UK for crime rates is a fool's errand? I am losing my patience, and have better things to do at the moment. Thanks. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

What reality are you in? You truly believe England does not have gun violence, and that people aren't murdered there? You are beyond my help. Good luck, and I hope your insane little world is never shattered by gun violence. I wish you could unsertand that it might be; then you might do something to prevent it from happening. ps - if you are not as out of it as your post shows, then I should tell you that I believe it sucks to be you, from a gun point of view. I am still able to protect myself should the need ever arise, and I am still allowed to make decisions for myself. If you're happier being told what to do, well, I wish you luck, because you will need it. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

What makes you so certain? Are you such a genius that you can make sociologists everywhere obsolete? Guns cause crime? Then why are there countries with few guns and high crime, and why are there countries with many guns but low crime rates? Why do you people feel better disarming yourselves? Are you such a threat to society that you cannot be trusted with a firearm? If you are comfortable with the possibility of putting your future in the hands of a violent criminal, fine. Don't tell me to do the same. I have managed to avoid violent felons just as you have. Everyone manages to avoid being a victim until a predator makes them one. Everybody was not a victim at some point. Some were attacked and defended themselves. Many were unable to do so. If I ever am confronted with this horrible scenario, I do not plan on becoming a victim. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Really? Yeah, Britain was doing a bang up job on its own. Without the lend lease, and with US participation, WWII could have gone to the Axis powers (yes, though people tend to forget it lately, there were bad guys other than the Germans). Then why was England calling for aid? Why did Churchill beg for US citizens to send over their firearms? Why did the US send its M1 rifles to England when there was a shortage for arming our own troops? US citizens are and have been restricted from owning machine guns without extremely instrusive investigations by the BATFE and the FBI. What "sorts of weapons" are you refering to? Criminals carry far more (potentially) dangerous firearms than I can purchase. It's called the black market, and no prohibition has ever been successful in eliminating it. In fact, prohibition tends to make the black market far more powerful. (e.g. chicago mobsters, south american drug smugglers, eastern european gangsters in the UK, etc) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So reports produced by the federal government are not good enough for you? What report would live up to your standards? Or have you just given up on all factual evidence and gone completely to relying on emotional responses? Again, without facts, on what do you base your conclusions? For the umpteenth time, comparing crime rates between nations so far apart and so different in history is naive at best. There are countries with many guns and low crime. There are countries with few guns and low crime. There are countries with many guns and a great deal of crime. There are countries with few guns and a great deal of crime. Guns do not cause crime. They are tools. The sooner people understand that they are nothing but inanimate bits of metal and plastic, the sooner we will all be able to focus on the causes of crime, and do something about them. Like kallend always says, every dollar spent on useless security is one more dollar not put into making us all safer. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

That's what I don't understand about the arguments from your side. You seem to think de-escalation after a firearms is pulled is impossible. I have news for you: once a gun is pulled, one side tends to get the hell out of there. Even without retreat, the situation can be defused by the man with the gun. Cops do it. Citizens do it. Why tell them they are not allowed to protect themselves with the most effective means? When confronted by someone intent on your bodily harm with a knife, you would rather have a stick than a gun? I really don't understand your desire to disarm yourself. I truly resent anyone who desires to disarm me. Since I am no threat to them armed, I can only conclude they wish to threaten me, but cannot do so whilst I am armed. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*