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Here's a chart that shows land use and calorie use for a few different foods: 1st column - Food 2nd column - Land per kg (m2) 3rd column - Calories per kilogram 4th column - Land per person per year (m2) --------------------------------------------------- Beef 20.9 2800 8173 Pork 8.9 3760 2592 Eggs 3.5 1600 2395 Milk 1.2 640 2053 Fruit 0.5 400 1369 Vegetables 0.3 250 1314 Potatoes 0.2 800 274 all of the above should be part of a healthy diet (except potatoes). if you can't eat it fresh raw, then our bodies weren't designed to eat it. That's why I tend to pass on potatoes (most of the time). -- Rob

[reply The missile didn't launch itself at the airliner. Someone gave the order. someone gave the order to launch a missle against an incoming fighter. That identification was wrong and a tragic mistake, but the order wasn't given to launch against a passenger plane (which is what you implied). -- Rob

ok... when I was in college we had lots of near-speed-of-light discussions evenings over beer. Here's the example we always used for newcomers to our discussions. let's say you're in a spacecraft travelling 1m/s less than the speed of light. Suppose you have an object in your hand (we always used a beer as the example since we had a cooler full). So you're travelling near speed of light in this craft with a beer in your hand. Your speed relative to the rest of the craft is zero. I am on the other side of the compartment (forward relative to the direction of motion). What happens when you toss me the beer? (assume relative speed greater than 1m/s) The answer is pretty simple actually. It becomes light beer!!! (ok yeah... we were drunk when we came up with that one... I don't have any excuse now. I'm flat sober) -- Rob

who gives a damn what the approval rating is?? And if they do, why? What matters is what you think! Fuck approval ratings. Numbers are so simply twisted. My general response to people quoting approval stats is along the lines of "what, can't form your own opinion so you have to see which group you should go along with?" -- Rob

I started this thread on rec.skydiving about 10 years ago. But that thread was citing 1000' at 1800, main every time (sabre 170 loaded at 1.2:1). Why? Because I know it would open fine for me and I'd be saddled in by 1200'. And if it was going wrong, I'd know immediately as many times as I've jumped that canopy. -- Rob

So if it wasn't a bow, what was he doing, checking out his watch while he shook his hand? Get real. It's an accurankle! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG5qyHjQXng -- Rob

he's your president too. Don't be one of those "not my pres" idiots. -- Rob

and all the other people that don't name their point of view by joining one of those 2 parties can just slide? The two party mentality must stop. -- Rob

Not when the higher turnout was based only on race. Turnout is higher when people are interested in a candidate. How do you assert that it was only his color that attracted them, rather than his brilliant teleprompter reading ability? That's how Reagan and Clinton got votes too. His campaign had a message, and it was much more than "Look, I'm black!" Are you serious? You think the record black voter turnout had nothing to do with race? Really??!?!?!? President please!! http://www.presidentplease.com/ -- Rob

It was the last election...[zombie voice]"change....change....change....change[/zombie voice] But there were so many reasons for change. So sorry, that's not a single issue vote. right... it was just the mantra. one instance would be all the people who voted for obama because he was black. they didn't know his platform, but they wanted to "vote the first black man into office". -- Rob

not only that, but if the obese people refuse to turn around, think of all the starving children in the world who would love some soylent green. let the smokers smoke themselves to death. But not where I can smell them. toss them in to the soylent green vat. but try to strip out the cancerous bits first. -- Rob

hey... that was clearly a PA and you need to be banned for a few days. (just trying to help) -- Rob

That's just flat disrespect for fellow students. -- Rob

I just mumbled through 'indivisible' till one day I got it right and really blurted it out. The whole class looked at me like 'what the heck'. I turned down the volume after that. You just had to remind me of that! Chuck I think I said indivisidable til I was in second grade. -- Rob

thank you for demonstrating the last two words of my post that you didn't quote. twist away. -- Rob

try to make my words say whatever you want. You know my intention was responding to the remark about the illegals paying sales tax. and you know that it's more than "there exists at least one person that hasn't paid sales tax". I'd hazzard that half of the sales in these stores to illegal immigrants don't have sales tax applied to the total properly. (and that may be low) I was responding to one point. only one point. twist away. -- Rob

That sounds like thousands of jobs. Including ongoing infrastructure maintainence. That sounds like it might subtract from the economic problem. The problem with building a fence at the border is where are they going to find the day labor to build it? -- Rob

You mean like Pedro outside who works outside all day to build the road you drive on, or Alejandro who is paid under the table to dig ditches, work in the fields, or trim the bushes in your yard? Or are you referring to the sales taxes they still pay? wherever you live, do a google maps search for "mexican grocery". go there, and if you can speak enough spanish to buy something or yours is the rare store that has a bilingual employee behind the register, and you pay cash, note how much sales tax you pay. Depending on the store, the person behind the counter, and the person making the purchase, sales tax appears to be optional. I've shopped at mexican groceries all over TX, KS, OK, MO, and IL. Anywhere there are workers, you will find these stores. Not all charge sales tax. Considering the amount of cash only business they do, I'd expect that they don't all pay it either. so... you were saying?? -- Rob

I was never taught or discussed the meaning behind the words until Boy Scouts when I was in 6th grade. In 7th grade we discussed the pledge in my American History class. We dissected the phrases and analyzed the wording. In earlier grades we studied the revolution. Our school still had us saying the pledge through 8th grade. I agree that only rote recital will have no effect on the patriotism of someone. Discussion of the pledge, the ideas behind it, appreciation of the acts involved in the forming of our country are all things that when combined would allow for an increase in patriotism. I believe that choosing to say the pledge when not required to is a sign of patriotism IF the chooser understands the meaning behind the words. -- Rob

Then doctors are a commodity. Healthcare is a right. You should have the right to see to your own health and well-being. That is a right. I am 100% in agreement with that. And it's why HMO's piss me off. Doctors provide a service. That service is a commodity. -- Rob

I think quade's point is that people who have a lot of money somewhere along the way used either government infrastructure and/or employees. It's coming off as a whiney "millionares got there on the backs of others, none of them worked their asses off along the way" which it may well be, but I don't think that's his point. -- Rob

Hmmm. In IDPA pistol shoots, for example, if you have a malfunction with a live round in the chamber that won't clear, there's only so much you're allowed to do, for safety reasons. You can't just go run away and take cover. You have to stand still, and keep the pistol pointed downrange while you clear the jam. If that's the kind of thing you're talking about, I wouldn't call that "freezing up". That's just good safety. In combat, the will to survive will overrule range safety procedures. So I'm not sure that what happens on the range, transfers to combat situations. I'm talking about training situations where there is outside stress added, and the point of the exercise was weapon clearing drills. the 3rd round in the magazine was a dud (loaded by instructors) to simulate a malfunction. upon hitting this malfunction, the person in question didn't crouch behind the cover they were shooting from, didn't clear the malfunction, and actually had so much going on in their head that they could not speak. "I... uh.. eh.. it... SHIT!!" was about how it went. this was a freezeup. only for a few seconds, but just the same. so certainly, what happens on the range doesnt transfer to combat, but my point was that if someone can freeze up in training they can freeze up in combat even with training to back them up. -- Rob

different games. -- Rob

The goal is always to escape. If I have to fight, I fight with the goal to escape, not with the goal of neutralizing the attacker. W/r/t self defense, I want to be a survivor, not a hero. My thinking is that self defense is executed in order to stop the attack. At which point escape may be possible. Blunt weapon strike to the head may disorient for a few seconds and allow a headstart, 2 blows may disorient for a minute and allow for escape. The same with gunshots. Once the attack stops, retreat to a safe location and make the phone call. -- Rob

I have also seen people in training situations freeze up when their handgun manfunctioned. -- Rob