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She has a history of putting up with a boatload of crap to stay in power. That need doesn't just go away. Wouldn't be surprised to see her as a hail mary near the end of the primaries.

Jobs was a twisted cruel fucktard.

I agree. So if we don't want to harp on it any more why pay her to speak?

Not sure which numbers you are seeing that indicate that.

Somehow I doubt that will be her message on May 4th. I actually thought she was much hotter in Klute

The article is talking about snowpack since 2000. You can see what you like...I see ebb and flow.

I think his point is "what type of person would you be if you felt the need to aquire billions of dollars in personal wealth?" Seems on the political front that's all we get to choose from anymore.

Well it's a poor comparison. And yes the war was evil. Why would you want to dredge it all up again by bringing in as divisive a figure as Fonda?

Those pesky little facts... https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/wps/portal/nrcs/detail/co/snow/?cid=nrcs144p2_063325 Up to half of the drop in the Colorado’s average annual flow since 2000 has been driven by warmer temperatures, four recent studies found. Now, two U.S. Geological Survey researchers have concluded that much of this climate-induced decline — amounting to 1.5 billion tons of missing water, equal to the annual water consumption of 10 million Americans — comes from the fact that the region’s snowpack is shrinking and melting earlier. Plenty of years in the time referenced where the snowpack was well above average.

So in this scenario Fonda = Rommel? I suppose if Jane had been in the military...but I'm not well read on Rommel. I don't think he visited with Patton and decried Hitler's war crimes.

I don't know how old you were on May 4, 1970 or if you even were alive. It's easy to sit back and revise history from your armchair. I was 11. We lived about 30 minutes from Kent (still do). It was a watershed event for me. Up until this point my views on Vietnam were my WWII veteran father's views. For the first time I saw that my father's views might be...misguided (I'm being kind). But, it was a much different time. Anyways, my thinking is if you want to memorialize a 50 year horrific event bring the kids who were wounded...bring the parents if they're still alive. You can probably find some guardsmen who might want to clear their conscience if possible or any number of speakers. I also think there are people you don't invite. If Jim Rhodes were alive you certainly wouldn't want him. You really wouldn't want my father if he were still with us. And you certainly don't pay people to speak. What could Jane contribute...I was right all along? It should be a time of healing as well as remembrance. So I think its a poor choice to invite and pay Jane to come and speak. And please don't paint me with a brush that compares Trump to Fonda.

Not their style...

I watched the drive-by media's show on the debate and this is my take. I chuckled to hear the candidates attacking eachother as "rich" people. The only ones who can do that with any legitimacy are Pete and Amy. I'll say it again...Bloomberg is not the guy you want to put up against Trump. He's just Trump 2.0 with a little of NYC Hillary. Biden looks confused. I think his days are numbered. I like that Pete's only tack at this point seems to be "I'm not them". He's probably the guy who could do the best if only because he's from the outside. Think BHO people. I thought Warren was strong. I need to research more of her actual positions. Still feels like I'm being talked down to. It's too bad they spent more time attacking eachother and not the issues. Although I liked Bernie 4 years ago this time I'm not so sure. Just my opinions. Don't spend those 2 pennies foolishly.

I don't know you Mark and up until this particular point in time you've always seemed reasonable, but when it comes to Trump you've been a bit dramatic. The US is not going to "fall" over this. It's going to be interesting to be sure.

That's a really big brush you're painting with. Doesn't require as much clean up <sarcastic font>

She was a vocal opponent who lent aid and comfort to the enemy. Keep trying to pick up that turd from the clean end. It is nice however to see the conservatives aren't acting like the left did when they didn't like the chosen speaker.

OK....tell me Jane Fonda's connection with May 4, 1970.

There were many victims...civilian and military. Jane Fonda lent aid and comfort to the enemy. Big difference...huge.

I see. So would telling you of various charitable organizations I belong to help any?

Why that day?

You're going to need to be more specific Wendy. What am I lacking in curiosity about?

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/02/ohio-secretary-of-state-urges-kent-state-to-cancel-jane-fonda-may-4-speech.html On the 50th anniversary I think it's a poor choice. On top of that paying her $83,000 is wrong.

Who am I supposed to be looking out for? What is happening to someone else because of the things I do?

You mean like when Bill met Loretta Lynch?