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Well sure it's going to be hard to get people to do a job when you're giving a large potential workforce of citizens money for doing nothing and they're not going to take a job for less than minimum wage in unsafe working conditions. Agri-business's and others need to either start paying wages that will attract legal workers or automate. Employing illegals for less than minimum wages in non compliant work environments is a crutch that needs to go. If you can come up with an automated way to harvest certain crops (tree crops are a big one), you will become very, very rich. A lot of people have been trying a long time to do that. And if you go to an employment office and offer minimum wage (or even something above it) for picking crops that can't be automated, you will either get a tiny response, or a workforce that picks very slowly. Migrant farmworkers usually operate on a "piecework" basis. Paid per amount picked. The harder you work, the more you make. Wages well above minimum are attainable, but it involves a lot of work. Traditionally, most people don't want to do the work. Another good example is meatpacking/slaughterhouse work. It pays well above minimum, but is mostly immigrants (and a lot of illegals). Anyone willing to do the work can get hired. Very few people who can find a different job (because they are legal) want to work there. It's a very hard, unpleasant job to do. Paying non-immigrant (legal or illegal) labor enough to actually get a functional workforce would drive food costs through the roof. But that's reality. A lot more complicated and full of problems that are a lot more difficult to solve than "Just deport all the illegals." There likely is already an automated or more automated solution for most jobs illegals are doing. It's just not cost effective at the current labor rates. This really isn't a complicated issue, but it would initially be painful, perhaps moreso by some groups intentionally in hopes to change back. This would be a huge step towards equality for all citizens in terms of new job opportunities and improved working conditions for all businesses. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

So you're for not only not enforcing existing laws, but rewarding those that break the law? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Well sure it's going to be hard to get people to do a job when you're giving a large potential workforce of citizens money for doing nothing and they're not going to take a job for less than minimum wage in unsafe working conditions. Agri-business's and others need to either start paying wages that will attract legal workers or automate. Employing illegals for less than minimum wages in non compliant work environments is a crutch that needs to go. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

I don't hate immigrants. Illegals OTOH I do have a problem with as I do anyone who breaks laws repeatedly and uses loopholes such anchor babies as the reason they should be allowed to continue to break the law. The children as U.S. Citizens would be allowed to stay, but most children tend to go where their parents do. One has to wonder what percentage of the current Latino population in this country are illegal and what percentage of the legal citizens parents or grandparents were illegal. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

If by socialistic you mean addressing the immigration issues, yes. Enforce the existing laws. Deportation for the illegals and their children and massive fines for companies and those they're contracting employment services for as well. Now those currently on assistance can work those jobs the illegals were doing which gets them off assistance and improves the economy too.

Correct. Statistics can be made to say anything, unless they are unbiased, especially when it comes to DNA criteria such as sex and/or race. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

If it's true. Statistics that factor in all aspects, especially socioeconomic status, are the true test. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

But that wasn't what happened. The initial expansion at the time of the tax cuts was just political bargaining. The best of both worlds for all. Lower taxes and increased spending. Prior to that, when expenses went up, so did taxes or some other collection method. When things stabilized or were paid off, taxes went down so all stayed in sync. Once that divide was created, additional expense increases and tax cuts had no bearing on each other. Sure, some reps would say "how are we going to pay for it?" But that was never answered as the question was just vilified as opposition to whatever the program was. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Had the government size and spending stayed the same, the tax cuts would have worked. But, to get the tax cuts, HUGE deals were made that greatly increased spending hence the start of the great political and financial divide. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Or they raised them to pay off war debts. As opposed to the last few wars where that was an alien idea.. just borrow more to have your cool war and make sure all your buddies get rich. Last few wars? Hell, that's been SOP for everything in Washington for 30+ years. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Or they raised them to pay off war debts. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

To stay on topic, Greece is doing well with FAR fewer nut job with gun murders than the US and they're doing it with less gun ownership per capita than the US by far as well. Then, by Jove,let's emulate Greece. Make the well off pay taxes for a change. Good idea. But let's skip the sex with goats. Well In the US the top 10% wage earners pay 68% of federal taxes Do want them to pay more? Of course he does. A democrat will give the shirt off another's back in a heart beat. Taxes were a lot higher when Eisenhower (R) was president. Taxes were a lot higher when Nixon (R) was president. The government was a lot smaller too. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Belize was my favorite. They now even do expensive tandems.

Yep. Take a tool away and people will find an alternate. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

It's worse as they create policies and laws differentiating groups and their treatment. you know that statement and statements like that are now considered "indirect racism"? you just as well have said something inflammatory like "I try to be color blind", or the horrible "I judge people as individuals" Ya mean like this? Racist and sexist. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

It's worse as they create policies and laws differentiating groups and their treatment. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Oh really well you crystal ball is broken because i diddn't. As for prevention. Let's get all the details and see who all knew about his mental state first. I am betting his co workers or family knew something was going on but did not act. Yes they did. The company he worked for ordered him to get medical help. But in a larger sense, you don't devise laws and regulations to try and prevent one specific case. So, what do you propose would prevent these types of incidents from occuring? Well, one thing for certain, the Rainbow Flag must be removed from public display. Had a similar thought yesterday about the Confederate flag. Can we get it back now or do seven more white people have to be killed first? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Wait a second. He's black, claiming racism, had anger issues, killed two people... AND he's not being referred to as a thug? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Let's hypothetically say that there's a test to determine if someone is a psychopath or sociopath. Should all be required to take it or just those that are convicted of a crime? If one is determined to be either, as there is no cure or treatment, what, if anything, should be done to protect society from the person if they have not yet done anything illegal? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

More inclined to believe this was an evil planned act by someone who snapped than an inherently evil person. Only once we get knowledge of his background/history will we have a better idea. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

What do you suggest? Derek V Make guns illegal. Summary execution of anybody found to have a gun. If nothing else it would help with over-population. By firing squad nonetheless. but without guns - you just have the squad run up and throw the bullets at the non-conformist. really.....really......hard throws Ooh ooh. Anyone accused of having a gun is guilty until they prove themselves innocent. Wouldn't want any gun owners to be missed on technicalities from any of those other pesky amendments. I mean it's for security, for the children... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

It ain't cheap if you're getting paid to do it either. It just ain't cheap.

I'd think any arguments in interpretation would be made here: "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants. This actually might not take an amendment, just a Supreme Court case. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

Hell, if I was convicted of one felony, I'd make damn sure I didn't even commit a misdemeanor after that. Habitual offenders aren't going to change, they may even escalate their crimes. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.