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Someone in two of these positions said to me "If they want to kill themselves, that's their problem. I won't step in until someone else is endangered, and even then I'll need video to prove it." I understand the position about the video, but I don't think it's okay for anyone to get hurt or killed for any reason. The parties involved are wonderful people and good friends. I have yet to see any of my friends die in the sport. I don't want to start now. Already done, and everybody knows. It's just that nothing is being said/done, and I don't want to seem like a skygod by telling someone what's right or wrong. INO If the DZO wasn't the person that you talked to, talk with him he's the top of the food chain. If he's one of the two you talked with and he wants to wait for video or doesn't care if your friends kill themselves or hurt someone else find another DZ. If you talk with the DZO and he doesn't do anything find another DZ now! The staff are hiding behind their waiver and don't value a human life, What do they have to gain be doing nothing? $$$ A ex friend is better than a dead buddy. R.I.P.

Hi wildcard I saw some of the damage on the news. IMO he doesn't meet the legal definition od a wackjob. Looks to me like he's a disgruntled bussiness/property owner that had some kind of a plan to demonstrate his opinion of the way he was treated by the local officals in a rezoning issue. Hope no one gets hurt before he calms down, runs out of ammo. The damage can be repaired. Once A human life is gone either Law enforcement or the guy in the cat their gone. R.I.P.

Hi Kansas The asshat was way out of line talking about your buddy. He was imo definatly trying very hard to push your button and may have had "something up his sleeve". Sorry about your buddy IMO you did the right thing. R.I.P.

Hi Bill isn't your definition also called a "open relationship" or something. I did it once for a few years. We all knew but I was the only one who couldn't handle it because I couldn't be in two different places at the same time.

There were two dickheads in that silly argument. Michael huh? i'm sorry... maybe i'm slow cuz it's friday afternoon and i need a jump... but i don't get what you are trying to say here. are you calling KSD a dickhead for defending himself? Hi Weegegirl Sorry I agree with Crwmike, Haven't you heard the "urban legend" of the bad dude in bar asks little guy to "go outside" little guy' decks bad dude who dies from heart attack, hittting head on curb whatever. Little guy goes to jail for manslaughter If the Whuffo in the bar is really stupid lots of weapons available behind the good guy's back, broken bottle, knife, gun, bar stool, cue stick, head stomping etc. IMO not worth the chance. Dude Your right I'm wrong see ya Am I a coward or did I just review my options and take the one that I felt was most advantageous to me. R.I.P.

Hi dgskydive. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Some paratroopers like what the do like any pro.Pulling 60 static lines & bags is a lot of heavy work. # weeks of training with the black hats is nasty hard work. If you hate your job whatever it is it's not fun But like anything else there's the bell curve. Some paratroopers do no enjoy jumping. I was a loadmaster on C-130 's watched the jumpmaster boot the paratrooper on the step in the butt 3-4 times. The trooper was holding onto the the railsnext to the door inside the plane and keep land back on the step. Finally the jumpmaster pulled the guy back in and the rest of the stick left on a long spot. With the bell curve some troopers love it. Most are Ok with it and some hate it. The guy I saw refuse to jump was not a rookie. Maybe it being their last qualifying jump for pay for a whole yr befor they left for nam had something to do with his reluctance to jump. We used to fly 5 ship formations dropping the army guy's so not only do thes the guy's in their aiplane to worry about there's a bunch more. I have total respect for the paratroopers. R.I.P.

Hi Anvil IMO You and the Tall one weren't low everyone else was high!

Hi RPT I'm concerned I'm a guy and you said he's a boy stalker. Should us guy's be concerned Or is it a boy stalking women I did have a women stalking my wife. My area of competion doubled in size. Damn. R.I.P.

Hi Kansas Sorry about the almost bad experience. I hope in hind sight you can laugh about it i know I am right now. The golden Knight and other military teams and civie teams don't have to strut their stuff. Because their the real deal. IMO for some military jumpers it's a job, they don't enjoy jumping but they do earn some extra money. When the "chain of command" says lets put on a show the paratroopers don'r get to choose, the spot, winds daylight etc. Tree landings being blown backwards 10 MPH surrounded by other troops that have very little contol of their canopy, jumping with extra work stuff. broken bones etc. For the paratroopers that only do it for work it's a job like cleaning a toilet. IMO comparing "fun Jumping" with "military jumping" is comparing apples and a rock. Who knows what the army guy's problem was, he definatly had a attitude, and was blowing smoke. Could be for lots of reasons those guy's are under a lot of stress these days. When I meet folks like that I just smile agree we disagree shake hands and leave. I have nothing to prove and why argue with a rock R.I.P.

I'm no longer motivated to keep my membership, aftr 20 plus years in spite of the fact that all DZ's in the area are GMDZ's or require USPA membership. So I'm retired Trying to change USPA thru the voting process is like voting for Ralph Nader. IMO ain't going to happen, The larger GMDZ's can control the voting process/BOD etc thru their groupies and the apathy of the general membership. If your instructing the way the system is set up now you have to belong to USPA, period. Some instructor's TM, Video, folks feel their underpaid. IMO It's because you all don't have your own organization. You part of USPA which is run by the GMDZ'O who set your pay scale. Without rated instructor's the GMDZO would be a very busy fellow. The riggers and gear people have the PIA The GMDZO's have the USPA the membership which pays the lions share of USPA's operating budget gets very litttle from USPA. Quade feel free to respond but I'm not required to respond to you. My lack of response is not a sign of approval, I'm not going to argue with you. Reference last USPA thread R.I.P.

HI Mr tavino Nice pics! Wonder who took them 23 wait! Just think of all the money you saved! Don't let her near a tunnel it'll really cost you Congrats!

Hi Andyman Ihaven'y read your resume but have you considered relocating to India? . Some kinf of a very upper level managemt position might make it affordable. You could also do contractor work in the sand box. I hear they pay good. R.I.P.

Hi Nbblood What about the exotic food in korea. I heard the cabbage is a special treat. BE nice to the ROK soldiers if possiable some of them are bad dudes. R.I.P.

Hi Folks Court 9:00 AM in olympia? During rush hour! Most folks would have to camp out at the DZ or on the court house steps the night befor. IMO Dirty pool R.I.P.

Hi ChrisL 6% is a Nice pay raise dude

Hi aggie Dave Sounds like you already got a full plate this summer, but #1 Post whore would be considered bu some a honor. Not that #2 isn't good enough.

Hi Sabre girl Enjoy your eye you earned it. Wearing sunglasses and you meet someone you don't like, Give them the Evil eye. Remember Arnarld (You new gov) In the Terminator movie? He had a eye problem, that he took care of himself. So have you come up with any good unbeliveable B.S. stories (or true) how you got the evil eye? Bar fight, Boxing, walked into door knob, Dog did it with head butt.? Come on guy's help this lady out with some good B.S. stories She 's going to have the "Evil eye" for up to a month. Maybe your a Gypsy and you eye gets like that when someone asks a dumb question, or It's infectious don't stand to close. The sabre story isn't bad But only for a limited audience. Maybe Buy me a drink and I'll tell or don't buy me a drink and I'll show you. BTW the eye don't look bad. For a prize fighter R.I.P. R.I.P.

Hi Monkeyb Terminal velocity into water no way. I wouldn't recommend doing a accuracy jump over water and trying to cut away to hit the target. Depth perceprtion over water is hard to judge and jumpers in the past have died trying this manuever. so we're talking maybe 50-100ft max and they didn't survive the landing. R.I.P.

Hi Muenkel I wanted to delete all of my posts on this subject except for my initial response. The computer wouldn't let let me do it or I don't know how. I'm sorry for my off topic remarks. This thread is about our repect for our vets and our soldiers and their families. R.I.P.

Hi dgskydive speakers corner Whats that? I'd rather stfu, Then enter the belly of the beast. If anyone wants to move my post to the "far side" be my guest. I ain't going there. Nothing peronnel just not my thing. R.I.P. R.I.P.

Hi Lew But but I made my reservations I have a busy schedual, appointments with Hair, nail, massage, tanning booth, and most important personnel trainer. Oh I almost forgot I got to P.U. the kids from somewhere. Where's my cellphone

Hi Sabregrl Hasn't happened to me but saw a student after a very long flat spin. He had a matched pair like your eye. Thanks for the Pic. Now just come up with a good B.S. story,for the folks at work R.I.P.

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Hi Val >>If you battle the mosquitoes for me, you have yourself a deal! My bites are getting infected! One got so bad that now it looks like a huge bruise! I'm gross.>> Mosquitoes no problem, I use a big fan made of exotic bird feather's it will keep you cool and Misquitoe free. I'm also a eunuch and have had my tongue cut out trust me. R.I.P.

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