Chrisky

First: Talk to yout instructor, he knows you. Things that might help: 1. RELAX 2. Drills to build muscle memory. Arch while in the harness you are about to jump while doing the drill, so the handle will be in the right place. 3. go up again and have Fun!

Ouch! I wiggled my bridle around my wrist once upon deployment, because i pulled the PC coming out of a barrel roll. (Had been on the back to film jump patners deployment and he was a bit late) I was able to turn my wrist fast enough to not getting it entangled, luckyly i turned it in the right direction. Still, got a smal burn there as it was uncovered skin. I wouldn't EVER want me to happen this on my foot! Did she get hurt? And did she continue to AFF L4? My french is not as good as it should be. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

Happy birthday!

Thanks for the info; I wouldn't want to buy a rig just for that, so count me out... Did a baloon jump already and liked it. Well, i guess i'll just wait for my first f*cked up packjob or til i get to one of the bigger DZs, whatever comes first... The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

Cypres was introduced in 1991, 7 years after the rig was made. It will definitely not have a pocket for the computer or holes for cable routing. You should DEFINITELY consult your rigger before even JUMPING this rig, i would definitely not think of freeflying with that. To be honest, i personally wouldn't want to jump it. Nylon has a certain decay over time, even if stored properly from what i HEARD. Anybody who knows more about that and can back it up/down? Isn't that the reasoning for a max lifespan of 15 years on equipment in Germany? The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

Didn't play hide and seek with a girl in a long time... HEY CARNYGIRL13, WHERE ARE YOU!? I'm too shy to write a PM... If someone tells me to do so, that is! The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

Well, the basic idea for a stable exit is to move along the same direction as the plane does. This is because at the door, the relative wind comes from the front of the plane because of its' speed. As your foward throw bleeds off and gravity pull builds up, your flight path describes a parabel bending from horizontal to vertical, yet the relative wind always seems to come from the same direction. So you should get a stable exit by simply sepping out of the plane sideways, arching like the bracket (if the prop is left) --> ( You can do it either head up or head down, doesnt matter, but head up is more comfortable, and you can look at the plane... Ask your JM if he'll let you make a simple side

If that a person was consequent, it shouldn't even use the Internet, as it evolved from the DARPANET. The Internet is the only good relic of the cold war.

I meant: It's bad that some people have trouble accepting other peoples' attitudes, but that's the way the world is. Apart from that, lacking safety attitude needs to be handled. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

I second that thought. I think how people are viewing their Cypres largely depends on their safety attitude. If it fires for someone and he doesn't care about what went wrong, but wouldn't want to jump without one, he has a serious lack of safety attitude. If someone really thinks about what went wrong and why, trying to avoid or react accordingly should the problem arise again, the attitude is safe. I can understand that some people don't like others attitudes, but that's how the world is. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

Thanks, Dude!

I don't think they would be allowed, as it would maybe be some form of advertizing? On the other hand, why wouldn't you post info of interest for other skydivers, like i.e. the one posting the Capewell Components Pin testing Bulletin a while ago? Have fun!

Well, i just saw the site today, and at 139 for a standard suit, the decision is not too wrong i think. I've wasted money on worse stuff...

IMHO it depends on a number of factors. One is the reason for the low/no pull, taking into account the experience of the jumper and the number of cutaways by him. To get him off the DZ would be too hard on first occasion imho. If the jumper sees he has made a mistake (if applies), and sees he has to do safety drills over again, there is no problem, hopefully it won't happen again. If he say like what the heck, i dont care, imho he should quit the sport before dying of his safety attitude. If its a first time cutaway (which i.e. i didn't have yet), and he just gets a groud rush paralyzing him, hell, thats bad, but maybe he will pull that reserve handle next time? It's not an attitude problrm of him. Any no-pull situation needs to be adressed and dealt with. If its the jumpers atitude this will be a hard job, grounding and sending him home *might* imho work. In other cases i seriously doubt it. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

Sorry, my fault, 1. didn't see the attachment, i'm dumb. I also jump from planes. A "Look at attachment" might have helped? 2. Don't have WORD here. How about a webfriendly PDF? Preferably in english? EDITED TO ADD: This lifting might interest more people, a thread titled "Vigil ban in France lifted" might be more helpful for interested ppl than this half-hidden answer-thread? The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

PLEASE reread that post thoroughly: Special note on the second line, third word ("'s" not counted) below. I was very interested in the device myself. From the info i got from their website, these WERE beta versions of the first production lot. Find this in the FAQ section of their website. I haven't looked at their site anymore since the malfunction (of the pre-beta software or whatever) happened, because getting a new AAD was a question of time back then. Apart from that, grounding something which is malfunctioning without knowing the reason for the mal can hardly be called a panic reaction seriously. Did i post it sucked? Please stick to the subject or qoute from the post in question. The comparison with canopy prototypes fails IMHO. Why should i know? Websites sometimes change, especially if they post latest news. But i suppose, if it's true that the VIGIL isn't grounded anymore, they might have taken it of not to mislead the public? Now, did i? I didn't post i was stating facts, apart from that it WAS grounded for some time. But if you'd ask me, why did they equip the french team with "experimental" units, while the "normal" was still in beta testing? SEEMS to me that it was a misfiring beta briefly relabeled to beta not to scare customers, but that's MY _opinion_. And YES Cypres also had misfires after its' introduction. Thus, i don't take a side. Relax, Dude! I've got my AAD... nuf said. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

Hmm, I'll have a little "think job" on that one... The xplanation makes more sense to me than the schematic, but i'll see what my brain can do... But from a gut feeling it makes sense. Also kind of backs up my idea i figured out when i saw him packing. Looked a whole lot easier (because he got the air out so easily) and was damn fast (no cramping to get the POD closed). Do you know how to pack that way? I'd really like to give it a try. I'd prefer the Gourmet instructions with photos and all. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

Hi folks, just two weeks ago i went out to Pitt Meadows, where this guy from the "yellow tin can" team was having a fun weekend. Shame on me, forgot his name, but i'm new to the DZ and try to remember the staffs' names anyway. But this guy did a pack job i didn't recognize, i had only see it once a loong time ago and thought it was Flatpack back then. He laid the canopy out flat, folded the nose on top so the split a-lines were on top of each other. Then he grabbed the trailing edge andstarted lifting it up, kinda laying the steering lines on top of that fold. He then somehow (sorry, couldn't watch it in one go, was packing myself) folded the cocoon really tight and slipped it into his POD easily. When asked by other jumpers about that method, he said he never had any trouble with it, fine soft openings and had used that method for over fivehundred (or was it a thousand? don't quite remember). He did it in a very fast fashion, but as he has thousands of jumps by profession, so there surely was a lot of routine involved. It was no ordinary flatpack, and for sure no PRO or Psycho pack. Anyone knows what he might have done? Me clueless The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

Good points+excellent presentation, JP! The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

There was an article on that in the french "Paramag". *tries to dig up the lost link**finds* ----Snip! 9/7/2003 Para-mag.com Vigil interdit L'équipe de France de vol relatif à 4 est sponsorisée depuis peu par la société belge AAD, constructeur du Vigil, le nouveau déclencheur automatique présenté dans notre précédente édition. Fin juin dernier, et au cours d'un saut d'entraînement du 4 France, Erwan Pouliquen a subi un déclenchement intempestif de l'appareil à 500 mètres d'altitude alors qu'il était pendu sous sa voile principale à une altitude normale. Sa voile de secours s'est déployée complètement et Erwan a choisi de libérer la principale pour se poser sainement. Immédiatement après l'incident, le directeur technique national Jean-Marc Seurin a pris la sage décision de procéder à l'interdiction de l'utilisation du Vigil en France jusqu'à ce que la société fasse preuve de la fiabilité de son produit. ----Snip! It's not on the website anymore, though. It was sent to me by a fellow jumper regularly training in France and thus being up-to-date there. So, i assume it's grounded there, unless i get other info than just you saying "No it's not.." (No offence) The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

Well, it's not easy to find a decent optioned container (custom, that is) for under or up to 1500 USD. Its alot of money, no doubt, but if you buy a lb of gold, it is a sh*tload'o'money, but maybe low priced. Just ordered a nice Wings, they have good prices and some special offer every month (i.e.this month free tie-dye on half rig). Remember, too, that when financing, the dealer selling the rig has to pay the manufacturer in time and full. So he has to have a big enough financial backup to handle this, and looking at the margins and financing needs that's a high risk. I wouldn't want to take it. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

I use a slightly different method, breaking down like that: step 1: Lay PC flat on floor, handle down. step 2: pickup bridle attachment and lay it on the edge of the fabic. step 3: fold the fabric over into a half-moon. STEP 4: Fold the handle over to the bridle attachment. STEP 5: S-fold the bridle and lay it on the fabric. STEP 6: Fold the fabric on the bridle stow, so that there are two folds coming from left and right, meeting in the middle above the stows. STEP 7. Stow in BOC. This way the PC will come out by itself, if there is substancial drag on the bridle, basically reducing the risk of a horseshoe mal as the main will deploy. EDIT: Don't get a wrong impression, there has to be a strong pull on the bridle to get the PC out. Anyway, bridle attachment and hackey/handle should be on the same (opening!) side of the BOC. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

I would not recommend your method. Thnik of a horseshoe mal or any other setup with pull on the bridle. If the bridle comes out of the PC at the opposite end of the BOC, there's your monkey fist. You can simply verify this by folding it this way into the BOC, then pressing down the opening spandex and pulling the bridle. You will notice the PC knotting to a fist under your hand, making it harder to pass through the spandex. See my other reply in this thread for the better way The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

No offence, but do a search. That subject has been here a few times. Here's the talk: It's grounded in France for premature firing during a straight foward flight @ 500m. Airtec sued the manufacturer of the cutters for selling thm to the competitors, and no shipping until that's sorted out. Lots of people fighting if better to stick to the Cypres, Cypres2 or go to Vigil, as it promises to be better, but hasn't yet proven. End of roundup. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...

The 30% is not the malfunction rate, it's the number of men lost from active combat duty through insertion. That includes malfunctions, woundeds on 'landing' AND opposing forces during approach and landing as well as wrong DZs etc etc. It's a calculation based on a D-Day style combat drop. The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ...