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That is a shit house attitude and I know you don't think all swoopers think like that. I do have to mention however you get fucknuckle arrogant cu*ts like that in any discipline. The worst are the 10000+ jump drouge whores that don't even own their own rig anymore but continue to tell everyone how to skydive. That fella got what came to him in the end. That is survival of the fittest at its best. yes, people like that are everywhere(even on both sides of this discussion)...again, that is why when we jump, my wife and i land out and clear of ALL other traffic. i dont think there is anywhere near enough canopy training in AFF. after all we are all "pilots" in command of parachute...i feel that many people if not all skydivers need basic and more training on how to approach a landing area. there is reason why this many airplanes dont collide....training, and respect. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

wow! simply...wow! on a side note, what is the opera he is singing? very familure, but i dont know the name. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

would this be a "short" bus we are trying to stop? ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

first i fly, then i jump. gonna take out the ultralight....yeah baby! ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

this post gets everyone absolutely nowhere, fast. nobody likes a hater. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes! But it was funny and we could use some levity in this over-heated debate. I have seen so many swwoper Vs non swooper threads, without a real solution so far, its getting tiresome. however, when I read this list, I laughed, then, I remembered a conversation I had with a swooper. I was on jump 60 or so, on a load with a swooping group haveing a small compitition. Being a new jumper, and a fan of aircraft (i have piloted balloons, and now fly ultralights) I am ALWAYS looking, feeling, sensing the weather. On this day, the winds were gusting, up an down, very unstable, from 5 to 20 to 0 to 10 and such. We loaded up. I started small talk with the swoopers, very fascinated with their skills and flying ability. However, I commented that winds were shifting, and was it ok to swoop in such conditions? His response was this...and I quote...."What the fuck do you know! Your NOT a swooper, your flying that fat ass spectre 170" and the other swoopers grinned. OK, I said to myself, and calmly said, "Well, I do know winds, and it looks unstable...but, good luck." And at that point, I shut up...after all, I...was a newbie, and like he said, what the fuck did I know. Well, I think I was right, or in the middle of a terrible and tragic coincidence, for on that jump, he hooked it too low, and slammed in...and died later. Was it the wind, was it the low turn, was it both...was it his attitude? I will never know. I really love watching swoopers do their thing. Hell, I fly 4 feet off the deck in my ultralight, do low turns, and play low...but I observe the weather, the wind, and never ever do any turns when flying in close proximity to my fellow flyers. My point here is...his response. A brick wall, a "fuck you" attitude,... a refusal to take in more information, and blindly reject a possible helping hand. I see this same attitude today in the swooper vs non swooper arguements...I sense a "cold war," no punches thrown, but the fight is there. So what will I do? Simply stay clear, land off or in the student area...away from ..... everyone. So when you see me and my wife, doing a 15 minute walk back, sweating from the hike...dont worry about us...we are just staying out of this little "cold war" ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

and the music fades...then returns with a tear jerking version of "Danny Boy." ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

great point! i dont see many girls sporting this "fashion." i like tight pants...on women that is! oh, yeah, i am over 21 too.

damn bro, so ban anything that you deem to be ridiculous. and the dumb thing, WTF????? the fuck some people think they are i dont think i am "above" anyone. there are plenty of things that come into play when an employment decission effecting the business that i put my back into. and anyone who "follows" a trend such as this...simply does not qualify as, ...a worthwhile person. yes, it is dumb, dont even try to call it "creative" or "cool"....admit it, its just plain dumb. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

while i think this "fashion" is the most ridiculous thing to come along in years, and i would be happy to see it banned, it is their right. however, it actually helps me out it a way...anyone i see dressing like that is a dumb person, and i use it to screen who i hire. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

Purple! ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

i totally 100% agree. while swooping is cool to watch, i would rather know that i am flying and landing among more "like patern" flyers. but i would still hope that swoopers have thier separate area/DZ. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

all that altitude wasted on a RW jump. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

skydiving? ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

wow. i can think of one other....the space shuttle, Challenger ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

In California at least, you have 17 days now to "discover" evidence that may affect the value of your real estate purchase, and you can withdraw basically for any reason with no penalties or loss of down payment. Used to be only on land purchase, but now structures as well. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

This makes me think of the OJ craziness back in the 90s. It was so bizare all the coverage. I have an idea on how to get more people to skydive, and make the DZs $. How bout we get Paris to skydive! ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

and you open the door and you step inside we're inside our hearts now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light that's right, feel your pain, the pain itself, is a white ball of healing light i don't think so... ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

ahh, the great communicator...he had some great speech writers didnt he? ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

I trust my dogs. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

That would be funny... no, it would not. some of us work different shifts and must get sleep at different times. do you want your doctor, bus driver, or someone falling asleep on the job and killing someone....grow up. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

true, forgot to mention that. we just use grade beams here for slab on grade houses, no post tensioning. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

well, if you are willing to replace the floor covering, you can alway cut the slab to instal the loop system, back fill, concrete, and instal new flooring...done it, messy, but sometimes necessary. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

you can use a "loop" system, where you run the drain out to the island, search "chicago loop" in wikipedia.org for the first method. second method is an "air admittance valve" 1. in the cabinet or stem wall, the pipe contiues up about 6 inches, then, makes a u-turn, runs back down, and back under the slab up the exterior wall to vent. 2. some cities allow a one way flapper valve to be placed in the island, above the connection of the sink drain to let air in, but not out, to enable your s-trap to function. i build houses, and use the chicago loop method search "chicago loop" in wikipedia.org for the first method. second method is an "air admittance valve" ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

still not sure why people still "sit and play" when they can GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY! ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?

I used to work for Pizza Hut, on the mobile marketing side. I would call corporate, and get a voucher or a refund. They are located in Texas....or at Pizzahut.com/contactus ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him?