brenthutch

Just what policies did Trump enact to abide by the Paris Agreement?

Joe, the magical technological innovation that saved us (the West) from the OPEC cartel was hydraulic fracturing, Russian fossil fuel and oil sands exploitation. The west never sobered up we just switched our drink of preference from Arak, to bourbon, vodka and Crown Royal.

And just look at its impact on CO2 emissions. Tesla is definitely on track to save the planet Wake me up when Tesla sells more cars than Ford sells trucks. BTW Climate Czar Kerry says we have to sell 22 times more EVs to meet our climate goals. Anybody want to wager on that happening in the next 4/8 years?

The rest of the story: looks like the only thing that can reduce CO2 emissions is an economy destroying pandemic. Let’s just see how “build back better” impacts global emissions in the next year. I’m guessing the will rebound to pre-pandemic levels, maybe a smidge more.

Obviously something else is at play if carbon emissions go down and CO2 concentrations continue to rise. It buttresses my argument that the Green New Deal is just magical thinking. ”For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled."

Who is the Trump supporter in question?

The fact at hand is, a lot of people will be negatively impacted by higher gas prices. Bill thinks gas should cost more than milk. That would put it North of $3.50. I don’t know many people who would like to back to Obama era prices (five out of his eight years, gas was more than $3.00 a gallon.

That works a lot better on lefties than facts and logic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phSxxVJCZsc

Yes you are right, I should have said most Americans are unable to use public transportation or choose not to for reasons that are their business. And to that nearly 90%, gas prices are a concern.

When you add the 45% that don’t have access to public transportation at all to the 44% who are unable to for a host of reasons you get to “most Americans”. Just try to get one kid to football practice and the other to jujitsu, buy groceries while they at practice then pick them on time. There is a reason almost no one outside of cities relies on it. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/07/who-relies-on-public-transit-in-the-u-s/

The left needs the poor to stay poor and dependent on government handouts in return for votes.

“45% of Americans have no access to public transportation.” https://www.apta.com/news-publications/public-transportation-facts/ And and many of those who do find it impractical, (grocery shopping, not close to place of employment, limited scheduling, young children, weather and safety concerns to name a few) So wrong again.

Only a handful out of a hundred million, more likely to be struck by lightning.

Sorry you are correct, the Dr. who made that claim extrapolated that number, using actual testing and an estimate of asymptotic and non reported cases. Still, a mask and a shutdown doesn’t protect you it only postpones the inevitable. The only way out is via Herd immunity, either through vaccines or exposure.

I am answering your question. Biden will have the same impact on global CO2 as the Obama administration. In other words ZERO. Just take a look at the trajectory of CO2 levels and see if any “climate action” had an impact. UNFCCC, COP1, COP2, Keyoto Protocol, COP 5-20 Paris Climate Agreement. None of it has “flattened the curve”. The whole “save the planet” nonsense is nothing more than a bureaucratic money grab.

Clearly you live in a bubble. Most folks in America lives in regions where there is no bus or train/subway/trolley and must commute distances to great for biking and walking to be a viable option.

there is no evidence that more restrictive nonpharmaceutical interventions (“lockdowns”) contributed substantially to bending the curve of new cases in England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, or the United States in early 2020” “Inferences on effects of NPIs are non-robust and highly sensitive to model specification. Claimed benefits of lockdown appear grossly exaggerated.” ”government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overallmortality” ”Given that the evidence reveals that the Corona disease declines even without a complete lockdown, it is recommendable to reverse the current policy and remove the lockdown” ”stay at home orders, closure of all non-essential businesses and requiring the wearing of facemasks or coverings in public was not associated with any independent additional impact” ”these strategies might not have saved any life in western Europe. We also show that neighboring countries applying less restrictivesocial distancing measures … experience a very similar timeevolution of the epidemic.” “We show that [lockdown] is modestly superior in saving lives compared to [focused protection], but with tremendous costs to prevent one case of death. This might result in overwhelming economic effects that are expected to increase future death toll” ”For example, the data…shows a decrease in infection rates after countries eased...lockdowns with >99% statistical significance. Indeed...infection rates have declined after reopening even after allowing for an appropriate measurement lag. This means that the pandemic and COVID-19 likely have its own dynamics unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures that were being implemented.” ”Comparing weekly mortality in 24 European countries, the findings in this paper suggest that more severe lockdown policies have not been associated with lower mortality. In other words, the lockdowns have not worked as intended” The Virus will run its course without regard to non pharmaceutical interventions (lockdowns and masking) With one out of three southern Californians testing positive for COVID-19 antibodies, it only makes sense that the cases would plateau.

Yes you are correct, a person who gets COVID and recovers (99%) is effectively immunized. That along with vaccinations is what develops Hurd immunity. Masking and lockdowns only delay the inevitable. Even the WHO doesn’t recommend lockdowns as the first line of defense.

Iowa doesn’t have a primary

“On the one hand we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but & which means that we must include all the doubts, caveats, ifs and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists, but human beings as well. And like most people, we’d like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climate change. To do that we have to get some broad-based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So, we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This double ethical bind which we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.” Climate Scientist

I suspect he will have about the same impact Obama did.

I hope you are wrong, higher energy costs hurt the poor and working class disproportionately.

“Like always, it will probably come down to money. And it won’t be about jobs, regardless of which end of the spectrum you believe, because there just isn’t enough jobs to matter compared to the value of the oil itself and the refinery capacity and locations. It’s simply cheaper and quicker to transport by pipeline than by rail or by truck. The difference in cost is about $50 billion a year for shipping via the Keystone versus rail, totally eclipsing any economic effect of jobs in either direction.” https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2018/10/11/which-is-safer-for-transporting-crude-oil-rail-truck-pipeline-or-boat/?sh=6bf099577b23 It will be interesting to see what gas prices are a year from now.

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot?

While it is primarily the former, to be fair, I do get caught up in the latter. That said BillV is still wrong.