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I agree. Whiners suck!

I don't need no stinking safe word. Bring the pain!

Noooooooo..... I meant "vicious" with your quick, witty, abusive response. I liked it. "Having the nature of vice; evil, immoral, or depraved. Given to vice, immorality, or depravity. Spiteful; malicious: vicious gossip. Disposed to or characterized by violent or destructive behavior. See synonyms at cruel. Marked by an aggressive disposition; savage. Used chiefly of animals. Severe or intense; fierce: a vicious storm. Faulty, imperfect, or otherwise impaired by defects or a defect: a forced, vicious style of prose. Impure; foul."

But he's demonstrated that he wouldn't command that. You've just got to trust him. We're talking about love without limits here. 1. You shall have no other gods before me. Jesus said to love God with all of your heart, mind, soul, and strength so much that your love for your parents, siblings, children, friends, etc. is like hatred compared to your love and devotion to God. That doesn't mean to hate your parents, siblings, children, and friends.

God loves you to that degree. God doesn't expect you to kill your kids. He tested Abraham in that way. He did not make him kill his son. Don't be silly, Bill. There's a difference between discipline and abuse. My conscious guides me in that aspect with my children. If it feels wrong, it probably is. I don't use a rod but that's just me. The ancient Hebrews did. I'm sure, however, that God would not approve of causing abusive harm to them. Although, discipline is sometimes necessary.

The Commandments are God’s moral standard. That Father who abused his children wasn’t following the Commandments himself. If he was, the abuse wouldn’t have occurred. It’s a 2-way street. It’s not the kid’s fault that their Dad is abusive but it just goes to show how it’s all a chain reaction. It’s sad but probably true that those kids will carry some of that baggage with them and it will reflect on their children in the future. In answer to your specific question, however, I don’t really know. Every situation is different. I think there is a limit as to what can be expected as far as taking abuse. I don’t think God is unreasonable. That’s just silly. You’re taking a specific transgression and stating that it must be ok with God since it isn’t specifically mentioned in the 10 Commandments. It does say to love God first and foremost. If you love God, you won’t beat your children.

Dear Cocheese, A safe word can save your life. Too bad you don't have one. rl Just found this thread. What a great answer! rl...you're vicious.

The point is that God's law says you're not good. Neither am I. Neither is anyone else. Unless you can honestly say you've kept his Commandments. That's his standard of goodness. Not mine or anyone elses. I'm not calling you bad. The law shows you that you are. It's like looking into a mirror. Don't think that I'm turning my nose up at you or anyone else because I'm a Christian and think I'm better. I'm not. I flunked the entire test.

I think you missed my point if you thought I was calling you a bad person or judging you in any way. It certainly didn’t mean that I wouldn’t like you based on whatever you believe.

I think it would be useful to have examples. One verse from a particular version put next to the same verse from another version to see if the meaning was lost or changed.

THAT would be hell... I think I'll stop to see you on the way. rl If I was Catholic like Sinker (sorry...Micro), I'd be holding up my crucifix in front of me right now with my CamelBak full of holy water and a few wooden stakes packed away in my coat. I think I might be getting my devil stuff mixed up with the whole vampire thing. Better safe than sorry. You sound dangerous. That's ok.

THAT would be hell...

Bite me once, bite me twice, bite me three times. Your time will come, baby. Sooner than you think. rl Don't make me....... well... you know....

Now that's fast.

Brokeback Mountain doesn't accurately describe what one is going to see when they go to the theatre. It sounds like it's going to be a good Western. It should be called something like Split Cheek Creek or something like that. Then you'd know what you were in for.

I have it on good authority that if you slip up, I get to keep you as a cabana boy for all eternity. Think of the fun we'll have in the lava pits. rl Rock & roll!!!

I get carried away sometimes. My wife just tells me to shut up. Sorry...

I went to Portland once. The snow on the mountain was great. If you weren't on the mountain, however, it was raining every minute of every day of every week that I was there. Damn! I was starting to get depressed and I don't have to live there all the time. I feel for you.

No I'm not. Didn't you read my post above? What's up R.L.!! Added: By the way, congrats on your promotion.

I’ll add to the agnostic thread. I’ve been joking and goofing off in here all day but here is a serious point that I feel very strongly about. Jesus was tortured, crucified, speared in the side and killed, rose from the dead (as predicted by himself) 3 days later, appeared before his disciples, and had Thomas touch his wounds (because he doubted) thus proving to him that he existed and was who he said he was (kind of like your punch in the head theory). Thomas was later stabbed with a spear and killed for his faith. Most of the other disciples were crucified like Jesus because they would not deny what they personally saw and believed. The fact that Jesus could conquer death was the biggest proving factor that he was who he said he was (God in the flesh). He did all that to pay your penalty and mine for breaking God's moral law (wages of sin is death). Something no one on the planet has ever been worthy of doing except for him because he was the only one without sin. You might think you’re a good person. You might think that you don’t need anyone to make anything up for you because you haven’t broken any laws. I’d ask you if you think you or anyone else here have kept God’s moral law, the 10 Commandments. I haven’t. You might say you don’t believe they are the word of God in the first place so who cares if you haven’t kept them. I’d say that I think you and everyone else here knows in their hearts (even if they won’t admit it in a public forum) because deep down your conscience tells you that they are. Otherwise, I’d ask you, if what the Bible says is true, would you be guilty or not? If what the Bible says is true, would you be going to heaven or hell (whatever either of those turns out to be; all we can do is go by how the Bible describes them both). The Bible says that there is no one who is capable of meeting that standard which is why everyone here needs Jesus and will continue to be dead in their sin without him. You will die someday and will be judged for everything you’ve done in your life. When you stand before the judge (God), you will be guilty without the savior. A “just” judge, which is what God must be because he is holy, must condemn sin. Without Jesus, you will go to hell. It should concern you. It doesn’t have to be that way, though. God provided a way (a bridge back to him). It’s a free gift. You’ve just got to take it (God doesn’t want anyone to die; spiritually speaking, that is). I challenge everyone here to see if you meet the standard and at least think about the consequences. Regardless of how much bickering and argument is probably going to take place in this thread. Ultimately, there’s not much that is more important. Below is a good website with a description of what I’m talking about. The one below it is an excellent radio station that just started up a couple of weeks ago. You can listen on-line. It’s very, very interesting even if you aren’t a Christian. It’s an open discussion between Christians and others who often are not who call in to debate topics. I recommend it if for nothing else but entertainment when you’re bored. Are you a good person? [url www.wayofthemaster.com/radio] Way of the Master Radio

Man... Alex Crowley is like a rock star now. Long live "The Crow!"

Gotta have your priorities.

#1: I stay away from SC . . . #2: There was no option for beat the living hell out of . . . #3: If you want to spank her like the spanking I was thinking of . . . you are one very sick individual. Oh... come on.... You would.

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