mirage62

Getting ready to go do 45 ways this weekend got me thinking about what I consider two of the best dz’s around. Deland and the Farm. Deland 1. Great planes 2. Large airport 3. Really helpful staff 4. DZO that seems to care Farm 1. Wonderful dz attitude 2. Pretty views 3. Diverse people 4. DZO that seems to care 5. Great Otter I have a group at the Farm and one at Deland. The Deland group I have been jumping with since I started, the Farm group are almost all new friends. In both cases I called the dzo at both places and got enthusiastic encouragement to start a group at the dz. But they are different to. Deland has a restaurant at the dz, the Farm has Reggina, every time I have been at the Farm she has been they’re passing out great food. Deland I can land at the airport, at the Farm I land at a local paved airport but I’ve never had a hard time catching a ride to the Farm. At the end of the day the beer is just as cold at one as the other. Oh yeah, Deland has Carl (Snarl) and the Farm has Andy….there different to. I love great dz’s Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Billy, I'm sorry I may have missed this somewhere but can you be specific in NAMING a dz that didn't get paid? My local dz has taken them forever and has not had one problem. Thanks Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

LOL, know I think it was a cave under the preassure and start crying uncontrollably......to not be able to function. If anything I was to CLEAR that I was after a slot and most likely I was waaaaaay to aggressive in pushing. Yes you can read that as I was a brown nosing, ass kisser that flew ALL over the country and went to every event I could make. Got invited back to each and everyone of them to. It was a bs excuse that was never given to my face by the people or person that used it, truth was I didn't go to enough camps and others did. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Another enlighten post from Amazon that doesn't at all answer the question but slams a conservative. How fresh We better all get worried about it, no matter what party is in power. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

I'd really like to know the people that would stop skydiving if this was the case. YOU CAN'T get to another local dz. It's Sky Ride or give it up. (Let's say that the equipment is well maintained and the staff is nice) And it's my question so don't say "you can always go to another dz" I feel that a lot of people that are so upset fall into number four. Lot's of passion, little jumping, over this subject. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

The six minute slip COULDN't be the reason he as fired. IT's nothing but PC run wild. They made an example out of someone who appears to be a good man. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

+1 Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

That makes +4 LOL, wow you can CANCEL that fast? Is there like a "net button"? Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

1. Don & Jean. 3. Dittodogg. Army Leave approved. Flying in from Deutchland to Atl.... Ill figure it out from there. 4 Taxiway 5. Lauralicious, MrLicious, & Babylicious 6. Mirage62 - +86 Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

You know it's an emotional subject but as stated before some of you guys have tons of dz to choice from and would NEVER go to a skyride dz....others have tons so they wouldn't even go to a dz that accepts the tickets. I wouldn't stop skydiving over it and as long as the planes were maintained and the vib of the dz was good I wouldn't drive another 30 minutes on the princple. Some people (not talking cause I don't KNOW about the posters on this thread) have a real hard on over the issue. I just can't see BSM "sin" over this. Yes they could give the same stuff to someone else I guess...but they have there on reasons. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Ok you guys cancel, I"ll buy three more. I guess I don't understnad - they own the dz or just accept skyride certs? Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

1. Don & Jean. 3. Dittodogg. Army Leave approved. Flying in from Deutchland to Atl.... Ill figure it out from there. 4 Taxiway 5. Lauralicious, MrLicious, & Babylicious 6. Mirage62 Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

The FARM by far. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Het TK this sounds like fun, what planes will you have? (NOT being a smart ass!) I haven't been to z-hills in a while and now sounds like a great time to come over and say hey to everyone there Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

As much as I hate to admit it Bill has sum it up in a couple of parahgraphs pretty damn well. I'll add this. This will be my second year organizing a the georgia state record - a whole big 66 way.... It really impresses me that P3/BJ ext, ect aren't just nasty people You can never make everyone happy and it's a lot of work!! Just for the record, one day I hope to make it back out to Perris for some big ways if they'll have me. Time is superr tight for me right now but in no way do I mean to say that I don't miss my west coast friends to. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

and Bill actually sums it up nicely. The "old world teamer" may have to do a camp to "warm up" but it isn't going to take a lot to assure a spot although they may not be as sharp as the camper on a jump or two. I guess it's all about peaking at the right time Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Hey Mark, Well first I'm from Georgia. Second I didn't say that it couldn't be done cheaper I said what it would COST ME. When I was a young man I did the red eye - and your right you can fly all night to work all day - and you can cut the cost down, split rooms ect, ect. I don't want to. But that's a choice. You must have missed where I supported the camp system but wither you wish to see them are not there are flaws with anything. Which was my point. The "wins" you talk about are real. Especially if you go to a LOT of the events. You seem to actually believe that someone who goes to a P3 event suddenly becomes better than a person with lot's of big way experience that is current AND he did the camp system through and through. The camp is a good learning tool if you need it, it is a good refresher should you be uncurrent. It does get you in front of the RIGHT people but it doesn't suddenly make you better than others that have been there done that and stayed current. I'm sorry to break this to you but is just isn't that hard to do big ways. Don't feel like such a hero. I believe the lowest I've heard about had 287 jumps. By the way she was later on JFTC and is a great jumper. It seems like there was someone with around 400 jumps on the 400 way so with your +1.000 you'll be a shoe in. I think the average on the last record was 4,000. I had a little over 2,000. I didn't think BJ was in the habbit of rejecting P3 regulars. Why would he? I never said that there was anything WRONG with P3 regulars. LOL, tell that to the really good RW jumpers that will be on the 500 way that don't normally do 100 ways. I believe your logic is flawed here Mark because someone who hasn't done a single 100 way since the 400 way would be UNCURRENT. Well thats the kind of sweeping statement that I love to chat with you about "couple dozen" I mean you have seen 24 different 400 way jumpers that are underperforming the P3 regulars??? Wow. Let me just mention this to. When the 500 way get's real REAL lot's of these uncurrent folks will hit a camp or two, and they will be "current" and they will have know a lot's of these organizers for a LOT of years. they will have 100's of hundred ways and they will get slots for the most part. My point is Mark not that there aren't P3 folks (like yourself) that aren't just shit hot. Not that all of the 400 way guys are shit hot, they aren't. But part of the selection process will be "How many camps have you been to" if it comes down to fairly close equal skill than the high camper with a good attitude will get the slot over the other guy. They WON'T get the slot over a proven performer who has rev'd back up before the event. Once you have done this you may feel that the camps are so much fun that you are more than willing to keep going to them - and I promise you if you do your odds of getting on the next 600 way will go be way up. If you decide to not and you don't get a slot cause the next Mark gets your slot....well that will be your choice to. All this is just for fun. I hope and believe you will get there and I'll be very happy for you when you do!! Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Hence the part where I wrote "capable" Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These people who don't jump at the right dz, with the right people and don't go to the camp do have the risk of being replaced by camp jumpers. I agree with everything you said...but my point is that the camps have added another layer to the above. What happen to you, I know, you understand has ALWAYS been there. I bet there are buddies of your that you'd taken someone out to put on a jump (maybe not be 99% of the folks have friends that they would do that for) The camp system is ON TOP of that. All must be for the most part capable. I suggest that the pecking order would be: 1. Capable friends 2. Capable campers 3. Others As far as money....your kidding big ways have always been about money??? Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

This is an interesting subject but perhaps off the thread title a bit. In the end it the camp system is a good thing, it works to a degree. It does make people money and believe me there is nothing wrong with that. If you jump at the RIGHT dz and the RIGHT people know you than you aren't going to need a camp as much - OR AT ALL - to get on the records if you are current and have done lot's of big ways. If you do a lot of big ways but not with person who is organizing the CURRENT big way you interested in and they are part of the camp system you may or may not have a problem depending on the demand for the slots. These people who don't jump at the right dz, with the right people and don't go to the camp do have the risk of being replaced by camp jumpers. It's a risk you take when you opt out of the camp system. If you want it bad enough go to the camps, move to Peris For me, a west coast camp is 6 day gig and around $3,000. I love big ways. I don't mind camps they can be a lot of fun but I'm happy sending my 6 days/3K elsewhere. These are fact as nicely put as I can say them, as I see them. Nothing wrong with camps but they serve a amjor business function to. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

He's beat............but living "the dream" (LTD) Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

It's part of the camp system....you can't be "big way current" UNLESS you come to a camp. You can't know that your aren't big way current unless someone that goes to the camps makes the above statement Truth is that some of the WT 400 way people may not be current or as good as some P3 campers. It's also true that some of the people that go to 15 camps will never be as good as some other people. And just to be clear. I've enjoyed reading Mdrejhon post about his path to record size big ways, he's working to a goal and his excitment shows. Comments like the above are part of his excitement...I believe. The camp system as it sits right now is broken but thats for another thread Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Ahh I know better than to get in the mud with a pig but..... Somewhere in this thread have the "super rich" been pegged? As I understand it the tx kicks in a single 5 mil and joint 10 mil. So for you and I can I assumn that 10 mil is your idea of the "super rich" Living "the dream" your right that is super rich. Working hard for 40 years it is doable to have an estate of over that much. I bet your think Buffet super rich but the tax that is being dicussed is as I stated above. BTW Just who is it so obvious to? Seems that it's real obvious to you that anyone that made it should just give it up and be happy. I could give examples as others have that would apply to you but you wouldn't even try to look at them. I got to try..... Why don't you pay your packer more than the going rate? They certainly work harder - a LOT harder than you. You might say that you educated yourself and work hard....but the truth is (I bet) you don't want to give them a damn penny more. Just add zero's to that math and you'll be were us folks that aren't "living the dream" are. "Living the dream" man that gave me a great laugh...it really did. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

Pay a lot more in taxes than you do. Have close to 3,000 jumps in about half the time you do. Follow the big ways...travel, raise a family, build a business. Your "dream" is great but unless you did something before you lived the dream you aren't passing much on to anyone so to judge others for how they feel about something that DOES effect them but not you is silly. You aren't in there shoes. Sure you can have your thoughts but to be so forcefull that they are all wrong while you are totally correct is bs. Good thing that the top 10% are living a dream that pays 70% of the taxes. Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

ROTFLOL, "professional skydiver" 30 years in the sport.....3,000 jumps Let's say he did 3,000 tandems @$200.00 pure ass profit thats $600,000 over 30 years thats $20,000 a year. He doesn't have a dog in this hunt... Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little