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Excellent article by Ollie North. Bring it on, John Oliver North August 27, 2004 | Print | Send "Of course, the president keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: 'Bring it on.'" -- Sen. John Kerry Dear John, As usual, you have it wrong. You don't have a beef with President George Bush about your war record. He's been exceedingly generous about your military service. Your complaint is with the 2.5 million of us who served honorably in a war that ended 29 years ago and which you, not the president, made the centerpiece of this campaign. I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about your medals or how you got them. Like you, I have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I only have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could stay with the Marines in my rifle platoon. But I think you might agree with me, though I've never heard you say it, that the officers always got more medals than they earned and the youngsters we led never got as many medals as they deserved. This really isn't about how early you came home from that war, either, John. There have always been guys in every war who want to go home. There are also lots of guys, like those in my rifle platoon in Vietnam, who did a full 13 months in the field. And there are, thankfully, lots of young Americans today in Iraq and Afghanistan who volunteered to return to war because, as one of them told me in Ramadi a few weeks ago, "the job isn't finished." Nor is this about whether you were in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. Heck John, people get lost going on vacation. If you got lost, just say so. Your campaign has admitted that you now know that you really weren't in Cambodia that night and that Richard Nixon wasn't really president when you thought he was. Now would be a good time to explain to us how you could have all that bogus stuff "seared" into your memory -- especially since you want to have your finger on our nation's nuclear trigger. But that's not really the problem, either. The trouble you're having, John, isn't about your medals or coming home early or getting lost -- or even Richard Nixon. The issue is what you did to us when you came home, John. When you got home, you co-founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War and wrote "The New Soldier," which denounced those of us who served -- and were still serving -- on the battlefields of a thankless war. Worst of all, John, you then accused me -- and all of us who served in Vietnam -- of committing terrible crimes and atrocities. On April 22, 1971, under oath, you told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that you had knowledge that American troops "had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam." And you admitted on television that "yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed." And for good measure you stated, "(America is) more guilty than any other body, of violations of (the) Geneva Conventions ... the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners." Your "antiwar" statements and activities were painful for those of us carrying the scars of Vietnam and trying to move on with our lives. And for those who were still there, it was even more hurtful. But those who suffered the most from what you said and did were the hundreds of American prisoners of war being held by Hanoi. Here's what some of them endured because of you, John: Capt. James Warner had already spent four years in Vietnamese custody when he was handed a copy of your testimony by his captors. Warner says that for his captors, your statements "were proof I deserved to be punished." He wasn't released until March 14, 1973. Maj. Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese custody for 2,284 days, says his captors "repeated incessantly" your one-liner about being "the last man to die" for a lost cause. Cordier was released March 4, 1973. Navy Lt. Paul Galanti says your accusations "were as demoralizing as solitary (confinement) ... and a prime reason the war dragged on." He remained in North Vietnamese hands until February 12, 1973. John, did you think they would forget? When Tim Russert asked about your claim that you and others in Vietnam committed "atrocities," instead of standing by your sworn testimony, you confessed that your words "were a bit over the top." Does that mean you lied under oath? Or does it mean you are a war criminal? You can't have this one both ways, John. Either way, you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief. One last thing, John. In 1988, Jane Fonda said: "I would like to say something ... to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm ... very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families." Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John? Beers to all,

Ahhh...Kerry served...so he is immune from criticism. Bzzzt. Wrong. He chose to bring up his service and mention it at virtually every opportunity. Now he's reaping what he sowed.... Still wish he would authorize a reprint of his book.... hehehehehehehe. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

The Cold War initiatives on both sides of the fence with respect to that continent had some atrocious effects. They're still being felt. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

I'm vertically challenged, Herr Doktor Professor.

THanks dude! I thought I was losing my mind for a bit. Beers,

I thought France had a major presence in Chad, an adjoining country. Am I incorrect? Just wondering - don't really know. I know there's a MAJOR French presence in Djibouti. Long ways off though. Anybody else got any ideas on what the US should do? I was just musing off the cuff. Haven't done any research or anything.

Au contraire monsieur Kallend! sKerry should read my posts on here. Damned NBA supporter that he is, he won't do so. I'm sure he hates short people. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

He damned well should. I mean just look at me - I'm short, a sexy biatch AND a JACKASS. Plus, I've actually met the infamous billvon so sKerry should be DYING to trade barbs tete a tete with me. He probably won't though. Just one more way of trying to keep the short man down. I hear he's an NBA fan. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Ah. A US plan of action with regards to Sudan? Have to do this one off the cuff. If I were President, musing on the issue...a few random thoughts. It's bordered by Chad, Libya, the Red Sea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Egypt, Congo, and maybe one other country. If the US were to intervene militarily, the Red Sea would be our most likely path of entry I would say, though given the current disposition of our military I'm not sure I would advocate it. Somalia isn't that far away and we all know what a goat-rope that was. I think the first course of action - after condemning the genocide openly - would be to urge nations in the region to take care of business in their own part of the world. Libya and Egypt both have extremely capable militaries. Putting Eritrean and Ethiopians together in some sort of multinational force would be just ASKING for trouble, but Egypt and Libya could both put some serious peacekeeping forces on the ground there. The Frenchies have always been a bit miffed that their influence in Africa has been waning, so perhaps the Frenchies could head up the peacekeeping force to make themselves feel better. I guess my preferred solution would be for the Egyptians or the Frenchies to take the lead in deploying some sort of multi-national force to Sudan. Though the nation does very tangentially have some importance to our foreign policy as a whole, it's more of an African problem (like Zimbabwe and that worthless POFS Mugabe) and Africa should take the lead in handling it. Ghadaffi says he's ready to play ball with the civilized world - this is a perfect chance for him to do just that. Once peace is established we could send grain, medical personnel, etc to the area to help out. It's high time nations other than the US took the lead in such things. That's off the cuff. I'd have to do a bit of research to go in depth on the subject - as you can see I'm barely cognizant of the geography - but think what I've outlined above would be an excellent start. I do not, however, see the parallels you're attempting to draw with regards to Iraq. Cookie cutters are for cookies - not foreign policy.

The DNC and the sKerry campaign must be taking Prozac by the bushels these days. While 527's supporting Mr. Kerry such as MoveOn.org and America Coming Together have outspent their Bush supporting counterparts by a ration of about 23 to 1, the polls are still showing the Presidential race a virtual dead heat. Within the past couple of weeks a single 527 - the SwiftVetsforTruth - has come onto the political scene and the Kerry campaign and their media syncophants have simply come unglued. Mr. sKerry's response to the accusations leveled by his fellow swift boat veterans has been less than inspiring. Vice addressing their accusations directly, he defers to other swift vets to answer their accusations for him - for the most part; he has spoken for himself a couple of times - and repeatedly called upon his opponent to criticize the SwiftVetsforTruth advertisements. Mr. sKerry and his campaign staff have also called upon the FEC and threatened to sue radio/television stations carrying ads from the veteran's group. He has also claimed that the ads were illegally coordinated with the Bush campaign. Please, Monsieur Kerry, comment on the following, if you would: Top 10 Connections Between John Kerry And 527s Former Kerry Campaign Manager Jim Jordan Founded Thunder Road Group, A Consulting Firm Representing America Coming Together, The Media Fund And America Votes. "Jim Jordan, a Winston-Salem native, was fired as John Kerry's presidential campaign manager in November…. Now he has started his own consulting firm, called Thunder Road Group. The firm is representing America Coming Together, the Media Fund, and America Votes, all pro-Democratic 527 political organizations gearing up for the 2004 election." ("People," National Journal, 2/28/04) Harold Ickes Is A Member Of DNC's Executive Committee And Head Of The Media Fund And Chief Of Staff To America Coming Together. Ickes "Admits That He Occasionally Tells The Kerry Camp What He's Up To, And He Insists It's Perfectly Legal." (Jim Drinkard, "'Outside' Political Groups Full Of Party Insiders," USA Today, 6/28/04; Paula Dwyer, "Why 527 Is The Dems' Lucky Number," BusinessWeek Online, 7/28/04) MoveOn.org's Zack Exley Joined Kerry Campaign As Director Of Online Communications And Organizing. (Sharon Theimer, "MoveOn Staffer Moves On To Kerry Campaign," The Associated Press, 4/7/04) Bob Bauer Of Perkins Coie Is Legal Counsel To Both Kerry Campaign And America Coming Together (ACT). (Jim Rutenberg And Kate Zernike, "Veteran's Group Had GOP Lawyer," The New York Times, 8/25/04) Kerry Campaign Paid Bauer's Law Firm, Perkins Coie, $360,244.28 For Legal Services And Other Expenses. (Federal Election Commission Records, www.fec.gov, Accessed 8/5/04) America Coming Together (ACT) Paid Bauer's Law Firm, Perkins Coie, $176,732 For Legal Services And Other Expenses. (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 8/5/04) Joe Sandler Is General Counsel To DNC While Serving As Legal Counsel To 527s MoveOn.org And Moving America Forward. (Jonathan Groner, "Power Punch," Legal Times, 4/26/04) Erik Smith Is The Media Fund's Executive Director And Worked With Steve Elmendorf, Kerry's Deputy Campaign Manager, On Dick Gephardt's Presidential Campaign. (Jim VandeHei, "Kerry Expected To Emerge From Battle Stronger Than Ever," The Washington Post, 3/3/04) Minyon Moore, A Kerry Campaign Consultant, Serves On Executive Committee Of America Coming Together. (Glen Johnson, "Kerry To Press 'Environmental Justice,'" The Boston Globe, 4/22/03; Lisa Getter, "Kerry Aided By 'Illegal' Soft Money, GOP Claims," Los Angeles Times, 4/1/04) Media Fund Ad Consultant Bill Knapp Hired By Kerry Campaign. (Thomas B. Edsall, "Shifting The Money So The Votes Will Follow," The Washington Post, 5/11/04) Former ACT Employee Rodney Shelton Hired As Kerry's Arkansas State Director. (Michael R. Wickline, "Arkansan To Head Kerry's State Effort," Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 6/22/04) Kerry's New Mexico Caucus Director, Geri Prado, Is Leading ACT's GOTV Effort In That State. (Michael Finnegan, "Kerry's Low Profile May Cost Crucial Latino Votes," Los Angeles Times, 5/3/04) Don't Forget The Dewey Square Group Provides Political Consulting Services For Both Kerry Campaign And America Coming Together (ACT). Kerry Campaign Has Paid Dewey Square Group $194,936.48 For Political Consulting And Other Expenses. (Federal Election Commission Records, www.fec.gov, Accessed 8/5/04) America Coming Together (ACT) Has Paid Dewey Square Group $51,808 For Political Consulting And Other Expenses. (Political Money Line Website, www.tray.com, Accessed 8/5/04) At Least Four Kerry Advisors Are Associated With Dewey Square Group: Michael Whouley, Jill Alper, Minyon Moore And Joe Ricca. (Glen Johnson, "Kerry To Press 'Environmental Justice,'" The Boston Globe, 4/22/03; Dewey Square Group Website, http://www.deweysquare.com/, Accessed 2/5/04; Peter Grier, "How Kerry Turned The Corner," Christian Science Monitor, 2/5/04; Glen Johnson and John Aloysius Farrell, "Kerry's New-Look Campaign Relies On A Few Key Players," The Boston Globe, 1/9/03) And Michael Meehan, Now A Communications Advisor To Kerry, Was Hired By NARAL In 2003 To "Oversee Its Vastly Expanded Soft-Money Operation." His Hiring Was "Billed As A Two-Month Leave From His Job As Political Director Of NARAL." (Carol Beggy and Mark Shanahan, "Names," The Boston Globe, 11/21/03; Chris Cillizza, "NARAL Plans Big '04 Effort," Roll Call, 5/8/03) I find these facts most humorous. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

The correct course of action by whom? Enjoy your cookie cutters. They can actually be used for things other than foreign policy. I use mine to make cookies though, as I think that's the use for which they're best suited.

Excellent reading Sun Tzu. Jomini and Clausewitz are also good reads.

I see you and Skydekker have identical foreign policy tool boxes. How sweet. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Skydekker Foreign Policy Tool Box I see you have the same one as the DNC. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

This thread is now absurd. By far the most intelligent left-winger in the forums, perhaps in the nation, even billvon has gone absurd with his Hiroshima/Nagasaki comments. Disgusting on many levels. War is Machiavellian in many respects. Deal with it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Lodi in California might.

Nope. US kills civilians when targeting militants/combatants. Terrorist scumbags target civilians themselves. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

I'm personally a bit disturbed that Vietnam is a major point of contention in our presidential election. However, sKerry did make it the centerpiece of his campaign so he can sleep in the bed he's made. What I would like to see sKerry do is authorize a reprint of his book he wrote back in '71. If he's so proud of his service he should want all of us to see what he wrote about it - right? Another display of cowardice on his part. I mean you talk about an instant best seller - that reprint would sell out of bookstores quickly.

But you're instead voting for a racially prejudiced lying bigot who is such a moral coward he can't even portray his true political leanings at his own party's national convention? Odd. Oh well. To each his own. Socialist over Bible thumper if you like. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

...to ANY interview from any major media outlet covering sKerry and Edwards castigating the Swift Boat Vets ad where either of 'The Johns' is asked about MoveOn.org advertisements in any manner? Or Moron Moore's F-911? Just wondering if one exists. I'd wager that it doesn't. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

I have just recomposed myself. After reading that botellines wasn't being humorous in that post that cracked me up I laughed myself to tears. Botellines, you've put me off of my booster seat twice now laughing so bloody hard! Ahhh well... Glad you have an opinion - you're certainly welcome to it. And your metric for that would be...what, exactly? What unit? What measurements have you taken? How has your metric been calibrated? What's your standard? Ahhh...I see...I don't belive you have one, other than your own opinion - to which, of course, you are most welcome. Ahhh...so now you know the feelings of regret felt by the entire US, eh? Odd - I'd say you are generalizing without factual basis. Your seeming to equate collateral civilian casualties incurred in a war-zone with criminal murder is almost as funny as botellines meaning his last post in earnest. Almost, but not quite. Actually, not even almost - it's just damned funny, but not enough to put me on the floor laughing. Think that if it makes you feel better in making facts comport with the paradigm of life you've constructed for yourself. Only to the racially prejudiced among us. I for one don't care what race anyone is and don't believe most Americans do either. But, then again, it takes all kinds. To each their own. If it makes you feel better and makes it easy to comport the actual facts to your own paradigm of life - so be it. Ahhhh...the perfect follow up to an accusation of racial prejudice...and combined with a slam on the grounds for the invasion. Most amusing. You assume that the lives of the 10,000 folks killed are less important - less important than what you never mention - because of a racial prejudice I say doesn't pervade the citizenry of the US (most of it at least). Amusing argument you've build for yourself. Postulate all you like on Mr. Bush's reasons for going to war. The fact remains that he - having far more access to far superior data than any of the rest of us - chose to do so and the US is there now. Hmmm...lot's of definition problems here. I assume you're now attempting to make some grandiose point by comparing civilian casualties in a war with the victims of terrorist attacks. If you consider such a comparison fruitful and profound you are most welcome to your opinion - I don't share it and find such a comparison rather inane, but if you don't that's just peachy for you. Takes all kinds. You've given no statistic and lack the ability to do so accurately. An indefensible conclusion, but it's definitely yours to make. Have a nice day.

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Au contraire, Monsieur. You heard outrage from a lot of folks over the proposed ammendment. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!