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Thanks Flyjack. Sifting through it now. I see parts on the money find and the sand layers, as well as a parachute that was found.

Robert: My intent was not to be harsh, but mainly to say that you and most all of us have some sort of agenda, whether it is notoriety, wanting to get attention for a specific suspect, or just wanting to dig really deep into the case. _____________________________________________________________________________________ You wrote the below: But anonymity is the wrong approach if you plan to create a book or answer media questions regarding the Cooper case. Examples of people who realize this: Geoffrey Gray Skipp Porteous Bruce Smith Eric U Almost anyone who has done a Cooper-related book Yours truly ______________________________________________________________________________________ I frankly see this as a little passive aggressive. I've seen you go after a number of these people, but in this post you use them in a positive way. You're all over the map on this. Some days you hate them, but today you like them? You have a bone to pick with Georger and others, but that does not mean that they should not be able to stay private or anonymous. And, just because someone is writing a book or using their real name, does not mean they are above board or of good character. My feeling on all of the anonymity/privacy is this: 1. If someone wants to use a screen name that is not their real name, let them do it. That's the internet. If they want to use different screen names across different platforms (Shutter's site, here, Mountain News) then let them. Who really cares? 2. If someone wants to use their real name, then it does not make someone else less worthy who uses a screen name. 3. If you are using a second screen name to lob attacks (Johnnie Greene), then I do have some issues with that. However, Johnnie seems to only be targeting you, so in your shoes, I'd be asking myself "Did I do something to deserve this?" 4. You can write a book anonymously, it's been done many times, and in the Cooper world. And if you are posting anonymously, it does not mean you plan to write a book. Frankly, writing a book in 2020 does not hold the same weight as it did even 10 years ago. 5. Writing a book does not automatically make you a legitimate person, just because you use your real name. If the book is filled with garbage, all you've done is used your real name to put garbage into the system. I'm not going to give accolades to those people. However, overall I think most of the books out there on Cooper are pretty good. I think Bruce's and Martin's are the two best because they don't push a suspect, and they focus on the case. Your focus on Kenny has been really good for the case, as has Rackstraw, and Reca. That's my two cents.

Cut it out Robert Blevins. We've been through this before. Some people just want their privacy. Your agenda has always been Kenny Christenson, so let's not start throwing rocks from a glass house.

If it worked correctly it would show that we are in fact two different people. My post history should indicate that we are two different people.

If you just want to know the differences, Microsoft Excel can do it very easily. If you want to figure out the patterns of the differences, that's a little harder to do, but possible. PM me on here.

R99: I don't know how effective stylometry is with all the posts out there. There are complexities. It is not just plug and play. However, for someone that posts as often as Georger or a few others, it is hard to hide a certain style, and those of us who read the forum often, start to see patterns naturally. Someone like yourself who has deep theories likely sees the patterns too. The Johnnie Greene posts have a very different flavor than Georger's posts. Possibly the same person, but unlikely. And if Johnnie Greene is the same as Georger or yourself, then it has taken some effort to mask the comments. I just don't see it being you guys. Example: If someone pops up and starts talking a lot about microscopes, diatoms, titanium, then it might be Tom Kaye. If it's about a western flight path, then maybe you or EU. If it is about Klansnic, then it's likely one of two people. But, the Johnnie Greene comments don't seem to have a lot of details about the case, mainly just attacks on one person, Robert Blevins. So it's hard to tie it to a specific person. I'm just guessing off some things I observed. I don't have the time to compare all the comments and tie them to multiple screen names. A similar concept was used in the Unabomber case.

Robert: I'd be willing to bet money that Georger is not Johnnie Greene. Not even close. I have a thought of who it is, based on writing style, and other parts of posts. Georger just does not write like that, he does not take stabs like that. The individual who is Johnnie Greene clearly has an issue with you Robert, whether it is personal, or they feel like they need to target you. My assessment is Johnnie Greene knows a decent amount about the case. I don't have a positive or negative relationship with Georger, just the standard one that most people would have with a scientist/professor/meticulous type. Johnnie Greene is not likely Georger or Robert. If you're going to analyze text, look into a concept called stylometry. Matching screen shots of posts is very different.

Standard bickering between a few of the same people. However, that should not take away from the fact that this discovery is potentially very impactful.

I like the dump theory, whether placed or it was from a house that was torn down. A lot better than many other theories out there.

Flyjack: Where is "somewhere"? Could somewhere be in a creek or upstream, etc? Or does it lean more towards being in someone's possession, such as a stewardess?

Trying to play catch up here. Do I understand all the posts correctly that the new analysis of the diatoms indicates a certain time frame for the arrival of the bills on Tina Bar, and that arrival time could not have been late November of 1971?

They will find something. A tin can or a shoe, and it will be blown out of proportion like the media always does every day. A&E can’t do a show just about a search in the woods. Eric is not a guest either, he’s helping produce it, so it will likely feature Sheridan too. I have to imagine the Rackstraw people are a little bent out of shape about another suspect getting attention.

These shows always have to add some excitement to hook the audience. I’m curious to see if they “find” any clues out there. I think it is highly unlikely that Cooper landed there or was there, so it will be interesting to see what pieces they find out there and how they add excitement to the show. At this point I’m glad to see shows about the case.

Seats.

The chutes are a big piece of the case. I’ve found it interesting how each one of us focuses on certain aspects of the case, and even a focus within a focus. Some things I think about on the chutes. How the heck does a dummy chute end up on the plane? This is very suspect. Who is able to put on a harness so quickly? Some pics I received from some old timers who were Naval aviators on the Beechcraft “Twin Beech” a Navy recon and utility aircraft in the 1940s and after. Note the backpack chutes on the shelf and then the shot of the seats where the belly chutes would be hooked. One of the aircrew told me that they flew with the harness on and in an emergency would just clip on the belly chute

Robert: Let's be serious here. Shutter's site is not going anywhere, and it is still the best site out there for DB Cooper, and the most popular. Those same arguments come up all the time where people threaten to leave or shut the site down. Bruce's site picks up more comments when he puts a new article out. He just has not written one in a while. Quora is not getting people with a lot of knowledge of the case. DZ really just has a few of us who comment: you, me, Flyjack, Parrothead, and an occasional drop in from one or two others. A few of us comment on Shutter's site, a few don't. I would be real disappointed to see Shutter's site go away.

Find was 40 years ago on Monday the 10th (he found it on a Sunday) today is the anniversary of the FBI announcing it. I went on Newspapers.com and found some old articles.

This day in history: 1980: The FBI announces that about $5,800 of the $200,000 ransom paid to hijacker “D.B. Cooper” before he parachuted from a Northwest Orient jetliner in 1971 was found by an 8-year-old boy on a riverbank of the Columbia River in Washington state.

Robert: When do you think the movie will be coming out? When is that HBO doc coming out, July?

I can see this happening. McCoy got caught and there is a crowd that thinks he's Cooper. If he hadn't been caught, then we would have had two hijackings with no culprit. Logic would say that it very well could have been the same person.

I’ll summarize my opinion of McCoy being Cooper: It’s a joke. Case closed.

Thanks Flyjack. Ok, that saved me some time. Page 35 in their book talks about it. It looks like the book came out October 1, 1991. The FBI held onto that piece of info for 20 years.

The first time the FBI discussed the tie was possibly December 31, 2007. https://web.archive.org/web/20090211153105/http://www.fbi.gov/page2/dec07/dbcooper123107.html I don’t know if Larry Carr discussed it on DZ before that.

When did the FBI announce they had the tie? I know in 1988 it was still a secret when the Unsolved Mysteries came out. I feel like it was around the 2000’s.

Nothing wrong with hard work. A lot of history at Oak Ridge. I despise Comcast and Verizon and any of those companies. Legal monopolies as far as I'm concerned. It's 2020 and I see minimal improvement in their tech or their customer service. I was hoping Google Fiber would be more prevalent now. A lot of people would have to be wrong for the flight path to be over Tena Bar. However, I do know that some people are really hooked on their own theories, and it gives them energy and keeps them involved in the case.