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Chris, WHo were the jumpers?

300 bones to fly is not a bad price.

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Swish! Isn't Michele such a know-it-all? Don't challenge her, she knows too much. I know from experience. Besides she'll just tell you to talk to the hand. *** HAHA dam she can get the info. Let me put my business, family, and 4 kids on hold and i will see what i can do. YOU WIN.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I didn't realize this. Where and in what field did the US government train UBL and Hussein? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And then you replied... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dont have the specifics, the CIA trained Ossama. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The problem with your argument, even if it's true, is you do not support it in any way. There is nothing independently verifiable in your statement, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** You are using two different statements from two different people?

Thanks for more solid facts. Time for America to open its eyes.

We can also blame Bill Clinton for not killing Osamma when he had the chances too. http://truthnews.com/comment/2002_05_intelligence_911.html

Yes... Can you source your liftings? By this I mean, since you are not providing any link and/or indicia otherwise, and I know you didn't write this (look at the times of posting...) please provide a source that you took this from. Interesting reading, so I would like to see the sites you've c/p'd these articles from. Thanks.*** Thanks MIKED10270 nice to see i am not so full of crap. It seems people just like to argue here when the facts are out there to be found The source is google. just type in what you are looking for.

Saddam then crossed into Syria and was transferred by Egyptian intelligence agents to Beirut, according to Darwish and former senior CIA officials. While Saddam was in Beirut, the CIA paid for Saddam's apartment and put him through a brief training course, former CIA officials said. The agency then helped him get to Cairo, they said. Sorry wrong wording. Trained ot training same thing in my book

Did you write this or is this a quote. I can find very few facts in it and a tremendous amount of theory. Just calling Bin Laden a CIA employee is laughable. *** Time magazine was quoted, no i did not write this. Sorry you dont want to believe the facts , as stated, i am not here to say who is wrong or who is right, why dont you go to the local CIA office and ask them for youself if you feel the need. People dont want to open there eyes to the truth that the USA help both of these Scumb Bags get more power and training on our dollar. not to hard to fing out info on google, we will never know the truth just opening some peoples eyes.

Next question? U.S. forces in Baghdad might now be searching high and low for Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, but in the past Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence officials. United Press International has interviewed almost a dozen former U.S. diplomats, British scholars and former U.S. intelligence officials to piece together the following account. The CIA declined to comment on the report. In July 1958, Qasim had overthrown the Iraqi monarchy in what one former U.S. diplomat, who asked not to be identified, described as "a horrible orgy of bloodshed." According to current and former U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, Iraq was then regarded as a key buffer and strategic asset in the Cold War with the Soviet Union. For example, in the mid-1950s, Iraq was quick to join the anti-Soviet Baghdad Pact which was to defend the region and whose members included Turkey, Britain, Iran and Pakistan. Little attention was paid to Qasim's bloody and conspiratorial regime until his sudden decision to withdraw from the pact in 1959, an act that "freaked everybody out" according to a former senior U.S. State Department official. Washington watched in marked dismay as Qasim began to buy arms from the Soviet Union and put his own domestic communists into ministry positions of "real power," according to this official. The domestic instability of the country prompted CIA Director Allan Dulles to say publicly that Iraq was "the most dangerous spot in the world." In the mid-1980s, Miles Copeland, a veteran CIA operative, told UPI the CIA had enjoyed "close ties" with Qasim's ruling Baath Party, just as it had close connections with the intelligence service of Egyptian leader Gamel Abd Nassar. In a recent public statement, Roger Morris, a former National Security Council staffer in the 1970s, confirmed this claim, saying that the CIA had chosen the authoritarian and anti-communist Baath Party "as its instrument." Adel Darwish, Middle East expert and author of "Unholy Babylon," said the move was done "with full knowledge of the CIA," and that Saddam's CIA handler was an Iraqi dentist working for CIA and Egyptian intelligence. U.S. officials separately confirmed Darwish's account. Darwish said that Saddam's paymaster was Capt. Abdel Maquid Farid, the assistant military attaché at the Egyptian Embassy who paid for the apartment from his own personal account. Three former senior U.S. officials have confirmed that this is accurate. The assassination was set for Oct. 7, 1959, but it was completely botched. Accounts differ. One former CIA official said that the 22-year-old Saddam lost his nerve and began firing too soon, killing Qasim's driver and only wounding Qasim in the shoulder and arm. Darwish told UPI that one of the assassins had bullets that did not fit his gun and that another had a hand grenade that got stuck in the lining of his coat. "It bordered on farce," a former senior U.S. intelligence official said. But Qasim, hiding on the floor of his car, escaped death, and Saddam, whose calf had been grazed by a fellow would-be assassin, escaped to Tikrit, thanks to CIA and Egyptian intelligence agents, several U.S. government officials said. One former U.S. government official, who knew Saddam at the time, said that even then Saddam "was known as having no class. He was a thug -- a cutthroat." In Cairo, Saddam was installed in an apartment in the upper class neighborhood of Dukki and spent his time playing dominos in the Indiana Café, watched over by CIA and Egyptian intelligence operatives, according to Darwish and former U.S. intelligence officials. One former senior U.S. government official said: "In Cairo, I often went to Groppie Café at Emad Eldine Pasha Street, which was very posh, very upper class. Saddam would not have fit in there. The Indiana was your basic dive." But during this time Saddam was making frequent visits to the American Embassy where CIA specialists such as Miles Copeland and CIA station chief Jim Eichelberger were in residence and knew Saddam, former U.S. intelligence officials said. Saddam's U.S. handlers even pushed Saddam to get his Egyptian handlers to raise his monthly allowance, a gesture not appreciated by Egyptian officials since they knew of Saddam's American connection, according to Darwish. His assertion was confirmed by former U.S. diplomat in Egypt at the time. In February 1963 Qasim was killed in a Baath Party coup. Morris claimed recently that the CIA was behind the coup, which was sanctioned by President John F. Kennedy, but a former very senior CIA official strongly denied this. "We were absolutely stunned. We had guys running around asking what the hell had happened," this official said. But the agency quickly moved into action. Noting that the Baath Party was hunting down Iraq's communist, the CIA provided the submachine gun-toting Iraqi National Guardsmen with lists of suspected communists who were then jailed, interrogated, and summarily gunned down, according to former U.S. intelligence officials with intimate knowledge of the executions. Many suspected communists were killed outright, these sources said. Darwish told UPI that the mass killings, presided over by Saddam, took place at Qasr al-Nehayat, literally, the Palace of the End. A former senior U.S. State Department official told UPI: "We were frankly glad to be rid of them. You ask that they get a fair trial? You have to get kidding. This was serious business." A former senior CIA official said: "It was a bit like the mysterious killings of Iran's communists just after Ayatollah Khomeini came to power in 1979. All 4,000 of his communists suddenly got killed." British scholar Con Coughlin, author of "Saddam: King of Terror," quotes Jim Critchfield, then a senior Middle East agency official, as saying the killing of Qasim and the communists was regarded "as a great victory." A former long-time covert U.S. intelligence operative and friend of Critchfield said: "Jim was an old Middle East hand. He wasn't sorry to see the communists go at all. Hey, we were playing for keeps." Saddam, in the meantime, became head of al-Jihaz a-Khas, the secret intelligence apparatus of the Baath Party. The CIA/Defense Intelligence Agency relation with Saddam intensified after the start of the Iran-Iraq war in September of 1980. During the war, the CIA regularly sent a team to Saddam to deliver battlefield intelligence obtained from Saudi AWACS surveillance aircraft to aid the effectiveness of Iraq's armed forces, according to a former DIA official, part of a U.S. interagency intelligence group. This former official said that he personally had signed off on a document that shared U.S. satellite intelligence with both Iraq and Iran in an attempt to produce a military stalemate. "When I signed it, I thought I was losing my mind," the former official told UPI. A former CIA official said that Saddam had assigned a top team of three senior officers from the Estikhbarat, Iraq's military intelligence, to meet with the Americans. According to Darwish, the CIA and DIA provided military assistance to Saddam's ferocious February 1988 assault on Iranian positions in the al-Fao peninsula by blinding Iranian radars for three days. The Saddam-U.S. intelligence alliance of convenience came to an end at 2 a.m. Aug. 2, 1990, when 100,000 Iraqi troops, backed by 300 tanks, invaded its neighbor, Kuwait. America's one-time ally had become its bitterest enemy. Do your homework next time.

A few more facts; WHO IS BIN LADEN, ACTUALLY? According to the Times, bin Laden et al were CIA employees, given the best training, arms, facilities, and lots of cash for many years. That's what the Times reported on August 24, 1998. In other articles during the same period, the Times reported that bin Laden is a deadly enemy of the U.S. The Times skips over this amazing change lightly in a couple of articles, commenting that the relationship changed, without asking too many questions. In other words, once again, the government line is accepted as self evident. Should we believe that the transformation from employee to enemy has really taken place? Is bin Laden an enemy in fact, or is he, like so much else that comes out of the White House, an enemy in fiction? Remember that during the 80s our leaders swore bin Laden and friends were good guys: "resistance fighters." Wasn't that a lie? If the government was lying about them then, why couldn't it be lying about them now? Let's do a little imagining. Let's imagine that bin Laden et al are still CIA employees. Could it be that the missile attack was not intended to destroy bin Laden or his supporters? Could it be the attack was intended to build respect for bin Laden among Muslims who oppose the U.S. government? To lend him credibility as a serious opponent of U.S. domination? Is his new job to siphon Arab anger into regressive Fundamentalist movements and thereby destabilize secular Muslim societies which might resist U.S. control? After all, Islamic Fundamentalists have proven themselves the most effective enemies of independent-minded governments. This is precisely why the U.S. created an Islamic Fundamentalist proxy army in Afghanistan in the first place. And there is evidence the CIA is doing the same thing today in Algeria - covertly supporting a jihad (Islamic holy war) aimed at disrupting a secular Muslim society not under U.S. control. And/or is bin Laden's new assignment perhaps to be a bogey-man of convenience whom the U.S. government can link to any government it wishes to bomb? Does this sound crazy? Maybe it does at that, but is it any crazier than the admitted fact that the U.S. gave these vicious terrorists more than $6 billion in the first place? Could it be that the lunatics are indeed in control of the asylum? Six BILLION dollars in 1980s money. How much is that in today's money? Ten billion? Just think. Instead of turning Afghanistan into a living hell they could have cured cancer.

The U.S. provided training, arms and cash to the Mujahadeem (sp) during the Russian invasion of Afganistan. It's one of the things that been part of the news stories when you see a younger Osama with the hand held radio walking around. *** Looking at the history of Afghanistan, we find troubling questions. Why did America and its ally Saudi Arabia fund and train Osama Bin Ladin in the first place? Why did the US government initially give support to the Taliban? Afghanistan was a key battleground, - a hotspot - in the 1980's Cold War between the USA and Soviet Russia. It was a pawn in a game of global power. Osama Bin Ladin was a key agent for the west, channeling American CIA and Saudi money into the war. We can remember Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher pledging support for 'Brave Afghan Freedom Fighters'. We may also remember watching the Hollywood blockbuster film 'Rambo 3', which opens with a dedication to the Afghan resistance to Soviet rule! Three Billion dollars worth of CIA money followed. But is emperors-clothes.com being fair? Was the U.S. government in actual partnership with bin Laden and other "resistance fighters" during the Afghan war? Or was it just giving these guys a little support against a common (Russian) foe? Since the U.S. side of the relationship with bin Laden and friends was handled by CIA, much of what took place is unknown. But we do know about one very important thing: money. How much money do you think the US and Saudi Arabia gave the "resistance fighters?" I asked several people this question. One guessed "a few hundred thousand dollars." Another thought this was way to low. She guessed "$10-15 million." The highest guess: $20 million. The correct answer is: More than 6 billion dollars. (ibid.) That's in 1980s money. And that’s just what they admit publicly. Remember, the paymasters were the CIA and Saudi Arabian Intelligence, so the real figure could be twice as high, or higher. The sky's the limit... *** The problem with your argument, even if it's true, is you do not support it in any way. There is nothing independently verifiable in your statement, so I can't look at it in any real way and consider it good. *** Thank you Michelle. You beat me to it. I have to admit, I've never heard of the training bit. *** Next question? Not to hard to find the facts if you take the time.

I dont have the specifics, the CIA trained Ossama. We gave Sudam a ton of cash and training him to get the Head of Iran, the ioltola Komanie SP.

Hell it was the USA that trained Bin Ladin in 1980 and funded him will millions of dollars hell we did the same for old Sudamm too.

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A Touching Story > > > >Her hair was up in a ponytail > >Her favorite dress tied with a bow. > >Today was Daddy's Day at school, > >And she couldn't wait to go. > > > >But her mommy tried to tell her, > >That she probably should stay home. > >Why the kids might not understand, > >If she went to school alone. > > > >But she was not afraid; > >She knew just what to say. > >What to tell her classmates > >Of why he wasn't there today. > > > >But still her mother worried, > >For her to face this day alone. > >And that was why once again, > >She tried to keep her daughter home. > > > >But the little girl went to school, > >Eager to tell them all. > >About a dad she never sees > >A dad who never calls. > > > >There were daddies along the wall in back, > >For everyone to meet. > >Children squirming impatiently, > >Anxious in their seats. > > > >One by one the teacher called, > >A student from the class. > >To introduce their daddy, > >As seconds slowly passed. > > > >At last the teacher called her name, > >Every child turned to stare. > >Each of them was searching, > >For a man who wasn't there. > > > >"Where's her daddy at?" > >She heard a boy call out. > >"She probably doesn't have one," > >Another student dared to shout. > > > >And from somewhere near the back, > >She heard a daddy say, > >"Looks like another deadbeat dad, > >Too busy to waste his day." > > > >The words did not offend her, > >As she smiled up at her Mom. > >And looked back at her teacher, > >Who told her to go on. > > > >And with hands behind her back, > >Slowly she began to speak. > >And out from the mouth of a child, > >Came words incredibly unique. > > > >"My Daddy couldn't be here, > >Because he lives so far away. > >But I know he wishes he could be, > >Since this is such a special day. > > > >And though you cannot meet him, > >I wanted you to know. > >All about my daddy, > >And how much he loves me so. > > > >He loved to tell me stories > >He taught me to ride my bike. > >He surprised me with pink roses, > >And taught me to fly a kite. > > > >We used to share fudge sundaes, > >And ice cream in a cone. > >And though you cannot see him, > >I'm not standing here alone. > > > >"Cause my daddy's always with me, > >Even though we are apart > >I know because he told me, > >He'll forever be in my heart" > > > >With that, her little hand reached up, > >And lay across her chest. > >Feeling her own heartbeat, > >Beneath her favorite dress. > > > >And from somewhere in the crowd of dads, > >Her mother stood in tears. > >Proudly watching her daughter, > >Who was wise beyond her years. > > > >For she stood up for the love > >Of a man not in her life. > >Doing what was best for her, > >Doing what was right. > > > >And when she dropped her hand back down, > >Staring straight into the crowd. > >She finished with a voice so soft, > >But its message clear and loud. > > > >"I love my daddy very much, > >He's my shining star. > >And if he could, he'd be here, > >But heaven's just too far. > > > >You see he was a fireman > >And died just this past year > >When airplanes hit the towers > >And taught Americans to fear. > > > >But sometimes when I close my eyes, > >It's like he never went away." > >And then she closed her eyes, > >And saw him there that day. > > > >And to her mother's amazement, > >She witnessed with surprise. > >A room full of daddies and children, > >All starting to close their eyes. > > > >Who knows what they saw before them, > >Who knows what they felt inside. > >Perhaps for merely a second, > >They saw him at her side. > > > >"I know you're with me Daddy," > >To the silence she called out. > >And what happened next made believers, > >Of those once filled with doubt. > > > >Not one in that room could explain it, > >For each of their eyes had been closed. > >But there on the desk beside her, > >Was a fragrant long-stemmed pink rose. > > > >And a child was blessed, if only for a moment, > >By the love of her shining bright star. > >And given the gift of believing, > >That heaven is never too far > > > >They say it takes a minute to find a special person, > >an hour to appreciate them, a day to love them, but then > >an entire life to forget them. Send this phrase to the > >people you'll never forget and remember to send it > >also to the person that sent it to you. It's a short > >message to let them know that you'll never forget > >them. > > > > > > > >If you don't send it to anyone,it means you're in a > >hurry and that you've forgot your friends. > >Take the time...to live and love. > >Until eternity. God bless. > > > >There were 10,000 children that lost a parent on 9/11! > >

Hello, is this the FBI?" "Yes. What do you want?" "I'm calling to report about my neighbor Billy Bob Smith! He is hiding marijuana inside his firewood." "Thank you very much for the call, sir." The next day, the FBI agents descend on Billy Bob's house. They search the shed where the firewood is kept. Using axes, they bust open every piece of wood, but find no marijuana. They swore at Billy Bob and left.. The phone rings at Billy Bob's house. "Hey, Billy Bob! Did the FBI come?" "Yeah!" "Did they chop your firewood?" "Yep." "Happy Birthday, Buddy"

Keith Snyder of Arizona is competing as I write this in the world meet in France this weekend in sky surfing. So I guess it is still popular on the world level. http://www.mondial03.com/index.php

Hell if you are going to go to school use the time to learn not bullshit here.

Take the chance if that is what you want to do. In life you get 3-5 chances to make shit happen. Run with this and do not look back, make sure you are 90% sure this is what you want to do. You can always get another contract. The market is pickin up. Read sept. Business 2.0

How do you feel about a long stay in the hospital? Why dont we talk after a 1000 jumps or so.

That is a cheeze head for ya.

I disagree.. Nothing is wrong with him knowing the direction and beginning his course of study. I knew at 36 jumps that I wanted to swoop. *** I agree. Asking and doing are two different things. So are you wanting to do hook turns already?

29 jumps and you want to know about hook turns? Not a good idea. If that is your focus i will be reading about you in a different section on this site in the future. That is like saying, hey just learned how to drive, i am ready for indy.