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That's some kinda logic you got going on there and I don't mean that in a good way. Bundy and his clan don't trust the government and thinks they're incompetent; except you're saying he should trust the government to competently defend him in a case in which he's clearly 100% guilty. Bundy is going to go to jail on this regardless of who defends him. He's going to lose his farm and whatever fortune he may have amassed over the years. On those grounds, perhaps he can claim he can not afford an attorney, but he could only make that claim in the future, not before he's actually found guilty. In this case against Bundy I can see how you would not grasp my thinking. And that is where it can be tricky. There are cases where the DA has no case but they want to prosecute, so they charge with something big. That they can draw out with continuonces and postponments and 2 or 3 years later when you are broke have sold all you can sell. Offer you a plea bargain knowing they don't even have a case for that. That is what I am talking about. And it happens often. It is a very well and often played tactic. Now if you are rich it might not be that big of an obstical. But if you are of moderate wealth it can ruin you financially. Evan when you are found innocent 5 years down the line. The DA just says sorry if you Evan hear that from them. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Well you are comparing dream jobs to actualling succeding in life. And if you want to nit pick on the posts made you can come up with that conclusion. But I could dream of being a opera singer, and work my ass off to make it happen. It won't. That is why I am a millwright. I can make a decent living of it. You can dream of many jobs but you have to understand what ones your ability will let you succeed at. And work at those. I am a high school dropout making a 6 figure salary. That didn't happen cause I stood back saying I deserve more. It happened cause I stepped up and showed my bosses how much I can do, and how much money I can save them by me being able to do repairs they never even imagined rather then buying new equipment. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

While I am no Bundy fan. I think his reuest should be standard.. If the state or Feds are bringing charges against you, I would think they are the ones with the deep pockets. If I was charged now I would not be granted a public defender, but I also would not be able to afford a lawyer for anything more then a simple one or two apperance case. And that would be pushing it. I think if the government wants to bring charges against you they should also have to provide your defense attournies. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Not at all. The problem is that there are many, many, many jobs where you can work yet still live in poverty. Just look at the many WalMart employees who have to rely on social programs to make ends meet. Having to work 18 hours a day 7 days a week to have a living wage is not a normal existence. People should be able to work a job 8 hours a day, 5 days a week and live a regular, normal (lower) middle class life. For many the American Dream is to be able to be a part of the working class. Not everybody wants to work 24 hours straight, nor should anybody be required to, to make ends meet. For your daughter and her generation it is very unlikely she will do as well as your generation, or your parents generation. I have no idea how my children are going to afford real estate in an urban environment when they are older. There has been almost no real wage growth in the last couple of decades, yet expenses and costs have increased significantly. The middle class isn't disappearing because everybody is now lazy. Your sounding just like the people that are demanding higher wages for a no skilled job. I am doing all right now. But 30 years ago I had been working 2 full time jobs with mandatory overtime for 4 years to build my resume and wealth. Some days I was lucky to get two hours sleep. People that want to get ahead will find a way. People that want it handed to them will whine. Nothing says you are entitled to a living wage working a minimum wage job 40 hours a week. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

I love it . it starts out as a defend the cops post and in 3 post it goes to a bash Ron thread. This place is amazing. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

I have plenty of sympathy and will offer help to any newbie who seems lost in how to make the web site work. I have very little sympathy and will continue to make fun of anyone who still can't master the trivialities of making a clicky link after being on the web site for 9 years. Get over yourself. Guese I hit a nerve? I have been on here for over nine years and would not know how to make a clicky. Because I have never tried. Now does that make me ignorant and worthy of scorn or just uneducated? On other sites I am on they have sticky posts at the top of the forum to educate people on how to do this before they try. Or they actually realize what somebody is inputting is a link and treat it That way. But you can still be insulted because somebody doesn't know how to make a clicky. Get over yourself. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Wow. Maybe the website could post a few sticky posts so people would know. Or mods could continue to be condensending. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

How many of us here would like our ramblings from when we were 18 define us when we were in our 30's or 40's or 50's? I know I would not. And I venture to bet no one else on this web site would either. But I am sure there are ones that will take the other side and say that shows who he truly is. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Aparently thread drift can only happen in some threads not all. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

And what makes them interesting? Or do I have to click on any link to find out what is meant? I do believe there is forum rules against that. If you are going to drop a link at least explain it's relevancy. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

And I fully agree. In #1, #2 & #3, I am very sure that all are a potential scenario. However, my thinking is if I'm the bad guy and I want to rob you then kill, I'll reverse that: I'll kill you first, then it's much easier to rob you. I do believe that, no matter how armed you are, if someone is intending to kill you then rob you, it will happen. You will not see it coming. Just my additional $0.02; and yours are just as valuable. Jerry Baumchen PS) Two managers at work stepped out of an elevator in a parking garage ( neither was armed in any manner ). The bad guy stuck his gun in their faces and told them to lay facedown. They would never have been able to bring up a weapon in time. They were not injured in anyway ( other than their pride ), he just took their wallets and split, but he did keep his gun on them until he was far away. And I know that this is only one incidence. But as the incident posted it was a store owner closing up. If you kill him first it is hard to get him to open the door and turn off the alarm. And face it You are not a killer and criminal, at least I don't think so? So you do not think like a lot of them do. A lot of strong arm roberies are an act of power and not just wanting what the other person has, but to show who's boss. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Scenario #1) >>>> someone with a gun approached and tried to rob him at gun point >>>> and the two began shooting at each other >>>> You can all most be guarentied they will spend hundred thousand or more defending themselves in court. Scenario #2) >>>> someone with a gun approached and tried to rob him at gun point >>>> Just hand over the merchandise & go on with your life I'll take Door #2 please. Jerry Baumchen You forgot scenario 3 Someone comes up with a gun and tries to rob him at gunpoint. Just hand over the merchandise and get shot and killed. Handing over the merchandise dosent mean they are,going to stop at just robery. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Nobody is infalible. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

So it is the business owner that was responsible for the wounding and property damage? It did not mention in the article whose gun did what damage. It could be one that caused the damage or both, without balistics it is just a guessing game. And yes when a good guy with a gun has to use it You can all most be guarentied they will spend hundred thousand or more defending themselves in court. That is better than dieing to most people. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Well people that have a CCW can carry loaded at tha crossroads of the west gun show. So it is not a gun free zone. They do not want someone looking to buy a gun pick one up off a table and shoot someone. That is the reason for the sign. In addition to that all private parties,bringing in a gun to sell or get apraised has to have it inspected and the action locked open and zip tied. This gun was from a dealers table. The dealer did not clear it properly and zip tied it with the action closed on a live round. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

ou mean skydiving instructors aren't already? Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

I am in the same neighborhood where he teaches. Have never heard of him before. But thank you for posting that. I agree with what he has to say. People are to quick with that broad brush with way too many topics. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

I agree with that statement. But when you live in a state that consistently claims a winner 1 minute after the polls close, and there are smaller states that the polls closed 3 hours earlier still counting. It really is trying to believe that trying will help. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

That's just Rocky having fun. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Well I was a squid. So i don't remember the ranks of other branches that I was taught and tested on in boot camp. I googled it and the one i came up with said first sergeant. I stand corrected. And yes I should know the other branches better. But I know the Navy ranks perfect. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Well I am dressed as a PFC awaiting extra instruction from a First Sergeant. Looking good. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

So coming to drop zone .com to complain is going to fix it? Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Well yeah that looks like where you got it from. But I am not going to pay 32 dollars to read the whole article. Or 199 dollars to have full access. So with that being said it strikes me as a site just trying to raise money and facts be Damned. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

I won't say it is wrong. But I will say nice little blurb with no data and no link to the whole story or who said it. I can type that Antartica is going to see 100 degrees before the end of the year, dosent mean it is true. Where did this tidbit come from? Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

Another anonymous troll whose "global" view is restricted to a small part of the USA. His view may change drastically in the next 72 hours when Patricia hits the Texicans and Looseranna. A hurricane did not even hit South Carolina a couple weeks ago.. but they had storms and flooding they were calling a 1000 year flood in the news there. Twenty-Eight inches of rain in some places they claimed.... that sure filled up all those swamps right nice like. Yes and the news here calls it the storm of the century if we get an inch of rain. News for you the news makes up labels to get ratings. The Carolina's have gotten worse then that in my lifetime and I'm not 1000 years old. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle