dgskydive

If you're careful with your customers (as any dealer should be) then you've got nothing to worry about. _________________________________________________________ Not true. Even if the dealer asks ever question they can and does the best job of qualifying that customer they can. The customer can still lie to them and say all the right things. Think about it. If you where some 50 jump wonder and wanted a HP canopy. If you told the truth to a few dealers and they turned you down all you have to do is keep giving different answers to different dealers until you give the right answers and get what you want. That is the problem with the a Black List. If you called me and gave all the right answers I would sell you whatever you want because you sounded like you knew what you where talking about. I did my job and you lied. Know I am going to be put on a list and have everyone think that I don't care and stop buying from me!? That is wrong and unfair. A wingloading BSR may help this. I don't believe in to much regulation but at the same time I to am tired of seeing people kill themselves flying canopies that they are not ready for. Maybe a licsence to fly certain types of canopies is needed. I mean, if you are a pilot you don't get to go right out and fly an F-16 do you? No, you must work your way up to it and no one is going to let you fly it until you are ready. Maybe it is time for the same thing with canopies? Dom

I like the way the reserve handle feels. The tubing inside gives it a really secure feeling when you grab it. Dom

Thank you. So are you! Oh wait did I say that in my outside voice again? Dom

Thanks Lisa. Scott Smith helped me out with the reserve for a while. I have a secert plan for getting my own. I am so glad I have the demos to work with for now as far as mains go. Right now I have the Vision 132 in it. So far it is a nice canopy. I am trying to figure out the right wing loading for it. It looks like a may have to go with a 124 we will see. Dom

I did all weekend! Dom

I finally got some pic's of my new rig. Thanks Kelly I love it and it feels great! Dom

Fingers crossed. I hope you weren't on of those knuckle heads that landed against the pattern last jump yesterday. Be safe and have fun. Rooting for you guys! Dom

You know that that is not really fog don't you? It's really the dust from all those old skydivers out there! Dom

I have put a lot of jumps on Aerodyne canopies and they are great. I put over 300 jumps on my Triathlon and have over 70 on the Pilot. The pilot is a GREAT canopy. I would put it up against the Sabre 2 any day. Great openings and nice landings. The price is a few hundred bucks cheaper as well. PD and Aerodyne both make good canopies. The biggest difference between the Sabre2 and the Pilot is the way that it dives. The Sabre2 has a steeper dive when using the front risers. The Pilot doesn't dive as much and has a faster recovery arch then the Sabre2. The Pilot has lighter riser pressure as well. Makes it real easy to hold them down so you can build up speed to get the nice flair that it offers. I know it is hard to buy something that you have not seen or jumped but this is not a bad bet at all. If you jump it and don't like it, you will be the first one that I have heard that didn't. We have sold a lot of them in the last few months and I haven't had one complaint yet. Money well spent either way, but less money out of pocket with the Pilot. The Tri is a good canopy but if you started on 9 cells you may be more comfortable with the Pilot. If you are a new jumper I wouldn't suggest the Diablo to you. It is very responsive and can scare a newer jumper since it is a 7 cell Eliptical. Dom

So what is your address and what time will you be leaving for work. Also if you could let me know what time you will be home. You know it may be a little weird if I was still there when you got back! What a problem to have! Dom

It's all in last months Skydiving. Dom

Had anyone tried the Vigil yet?Same as a cypres _________________________________________________________ That is a bold statment. Considering how long the Cypress has been around. Sometimes it is not good to be the first one on the block with a new toy. It may be cheaper but where did you get that they are waterproof? We just sent one back to them that they sent us to inspect. It was not waterproof. there literature says they will be making one but unless they are saying different, the one that they are shipping around to show dealers is not waterproof. Dom

I am trying to get Diablo Pilot to take a pic for me this weekend. Right now it is being packed up. I will post though. I wanna show off my new baby. Dom

We don't wanna get to far off the original topic but, I think it is all of our responsiblity. I know that when selling gear I always try to get there experience level. I even try and ask questions to trip people up from time to time. It has even worked. Usually they will hang up the phone at that point. My problem with Atair is that they market the canopy as being great for students! They are encouraging them to buy it. All the other manufactures or more then happy to hear from us if we have a customer that we think is not suitable for the canopy they are trying to get. A number of times I have called over to PD to let them know someones name who is really trying to get a canopy that is not suitable for them. I just really believe it is not best for Atair and for skydiving as a whole to market these canopies to beginners. Just because gear has gotten better over time does not mean that new jumpers are getting smarter or better at flying canopies. As far as I can tell it is the other way around. Not enough attention is payed to canopy skills with newer jumpers! We are a self regulating sport and it is all of our jobs to look out for an take care of each other. IMHO all other issues aside, Atair is not helping. I agree with you that there are loop holes for jumpers to get any canopy that they want. I just don't agree with the manufacture if they are going to market a canopy that by any other standard is not suitable for a student. Think of the reaction if PD started marketing Stiletto 170's to new jumpers just off student status. Can you imagine going form a 230 whatever to a Stiletto 170. How many of those people would have a problem? Sure some would be ok but how many would get hurt or even killed? PD is to smart for that. I hope Atair figures it out. Dom

Not to bad for a Wings! Seriously, very nice rig. Dom

What about me? I helped you to. Dom

Dan, I am amazed at the claims made here and in past threads by Atair. No matter what you claim, the bottom line is that your canopy is inconsistent! I have seen more then enough Cobalts with 10-15 jumps on them for sale as used. That says's a lot about the canopy right there! IMHO showing pictures of people opening in a sit or head down is irresponsible! New jumpers especially are very suseptible to advertising. I wonder how many have tried opening in one of those positions and have gotten hurt and not said anything because once they did it they knew they had done something very stupid? Saying that an elliptical 170 from any manufacture is suitible for students is asking for trouble. Most new jumpers can't stand up a square 230 with any type of consistency. Maybe a wrongfull death lawsuit will change your mind someday. I don't wish that on you or any other manufacture out there but, if one of my friends or family just started jumping and you sold them a Cobalt 170 and they got hurt or killed. You would be getting a phone call or 2 that is for sure! The biggest problem in our sport today IMHO is the problem of people killing themselves under perfectly good canopies. I don't think you are helping the sport by encouraging new jumpers to jump that sort of canopy and I will never recomend anyone jump that canopy until the very clear problems are fixed. I don't mean this as a threat nor am I telling anyone to sue you! I just think you are being very, very careless with your marketing. Thank God that most schools and gear stores out there are smart enough to not believe the hype. If you put out a good product people will buy it. Case in point, Aerodyne. They have come out with a GREAT line of canopies! Why do they sell? They open nice, they fly nice and they are consistent. I have no fear of grapping any of the canopies we have from them because I know that no matter which one I get it will perform just like the last one. No surprises from canopy to canopy! Surprises are good in a box of Cracker Jacks, not at 2 grand! Dom

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I have been known to be a giver. Dom

I know. Mine is still on my desk. Want some? Dom

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You got it Paul! I rubbed myself all over it just to keep him and Rob away!. Dom

Gotta take em first. It just got her like an hour ago. Gotta find a camera! Gotta find a camera! Dom

and her name is Infinity. My new rig finally got here today. Boy is it purrty. Just ask Diablo pilot. I think I a driving him a little nuts by now. Hey JP look over here. I have something to show you. Dom

He has broke three chairs since he has been here! Dom