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Interesting idea. What, when a whuffo asks the inevitable question of 'perfectly good airplanes', are you going to reach up and point to these pictures? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Solution to the 'night jump' tandem. Day jump and just put a complete darkening blindfold on the tandem student before exiting. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Scroll down to the bottom of the page: http://www.chattanoogaskydive.com/adventure/jargon.html ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

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Both chutes out means both canopies out at the same time. In a dual pack system like we have now it happens occasionally (usually by mistake and can easily cause a fatality when they interfere with each other). However, since it's believed that Cooper took only one parachute out the door with him that night the subject's moot here. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

That takes the cake today. Thanks for the laugh... ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Yes, it's been mentioned, and dismissed by this forum as the parachute manufacture date is in 1946 and this pilot's bail out was in 1945. The news takes a different slant, though. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Just doing some light reading on your FBI Cooper file today....

This one's just scary! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

cloverleaf patterns huh? Interesting. Didn't know that was standard procedure (or is it?). Does that kind of pattern keep one 'safe' in bad visibility? (I really don't know and would like to). As to the 'loud jet noise' coming close over the witness' houses. Don't know if a 727 flying dirty at 10,000' makes that much noise, but our DC-9 can't be heard when it's dumping skydivers at 12,500' over Perris. The lower stairs are taken off the DC-9 (not dragging like with the 727) so that would make some difference as to how much power has to be added to keep the 727 aloft, however. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

My take on the picture of those passengers exiting into the airport is that this segment is either stock footage or footage shot the next day. By the correspondence between 305 and Reno on the 24th, Cooper's plane parked away from the terminal and the passengers walked out onto the tarmac. This video shows different passengers debarking from a plane parked at the terminal. Or at least that's my interpretation. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Sounds like either 1) You like that door position and can't wait for another lashing or... 2) You should relinquish that position to someone faster, stronger, and younger.... ltdiver I already said in the other thread I wasn't gonna do it again. What huh? Other thread? Hey mods, he's double posting! ltdiver Nah, the other one is more detailed. Good Vibes Boogie thread in Events and DZs. Good Vibes, my ass! Ah, poor boo boo. Want skymama to send you some glitter? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Sounds like either 1) You like that door position and can't wait for another lashing or... 2) You should relinquish that position to someone faster, stronger, and younger.... ltdiver I already said in the other thread I wasn't gonna do it again. What huh? Other thread? Hey mods, he's double posting! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Sounds like either 1) You like that door position and can't wait for another lashing or... 2) You should relinquish that position to someone faster, stronger, and younger.... ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Thanks for that heads up. NO WONDER I couldn't find it here. I only have a little measly antenna connection. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Again, enlightening information. If it was a converted reserve into a main (with vent cuts and slots), wouldn't that have been visible in the photos that have been distributed online here? And of course, if it was a cutaway (or planted) 'main' then there would be no container down there in the dirt. Only the rest of the lines, and the risers. :^( Then why so hard a pull that the kids couldn't dislodge it? (How old were these kids btw??) ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Interesting idea! Hadn't thought of that. Any old time jumpers can to answer? Harnesses have never had data cards. Packs (the canopy and container, less the harness) have packing data cards. Nylon is not affected by mildew; it doesn't rot the way an organic material like silk does. It degrades in UV, i.e. in sunlight. A buried canopy would last a very long time. The data card, on the other hand, would be paper. The Tyvek cards we use now are much more recent. I don't think a paper card would be much more than pulp after 35 years of exposure. Folded up and still in the container pocket, it might give a little information, none useful in this case since if Cossey packed the chute, he would have written the serial number in his rigger logbook -- no need to check the data card to see if it was his pack. Mark Yes, the canopy and rig's information would be what's on the card, and it's usually stored in the container somewhere. Good to know it was the same way back then as it is now. (sorry, used 'harness' in my question instead of the proper term of 'container'). Interesting about the type of paper the card was. Hmmmm.... IF there is a card, and it survived, it'd be a very interesting story to hear from the rigger who's pack job it was...even if it wasn't Cossey (and thus, of course, wasn't Cooper's rig either). Might be a little mystery yet in that harness/container. :^) ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Can I come with you! :^) Interesting idea! Hadn't thought of that. Any old time jumpers care to answer? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Or perhaps what was in the paper bag was his long johns? He was in the lavatory putting them on. He took so long there because...well...it's pretty cramped in there to take a suit off, put on long underwear, and then redress again. I know, not fact, mearly conjecture (and yes, I'm bored here at home today. Clouds are up and DZ has shut down here). ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Himself? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Does James Perez (Paco) know about this? ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

You're most likely correct on this idea, however IF the canopy was the dummy chest reserve it was sewn shut and inside the container it most likely could have withstood many years of being buried without significant damage to the canopy. If the father's tractor ripped it apart as he was grading his property for the road that's the first direct exposure the canopy had to the elements since Cossey packed it. Something to consider. ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

They were shredded because they were down when they landed - this damage was NOT caused while they were in flight. The crew and authorities decided that it was too dangerous for someone to go back and raise the aftstairs. Obviously. Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Sorry if this has already been posted before, but I don't believe I've seen it here in the numerous posts of the 2 threads here. I just found it very fascinating to see the first hand tv news report CBS did the day after Cooper's jump. The pilots, FBI agent, and stewardess Tina were briefly interviewed. Something I didn't know was that the aft stairs were 'shredded' by the time they landed in Reno. CBS Newscast November 25, 1971 ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon

Interesting. Thanks for posting that. Himmelsbach was interviewed in 1988 by Lifetime. In this interview he specifies "Two front pack and Two back pack parachutes" were the demand from Cooper. Scroll to about 3:30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWxVWsrRvLQ&feature=related ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon