Ron

BTW still waiting: Care to explain to the group how many crimes have been committed with a bayonet? Care to explain to the group how a flash suppressor on a semi auto makes any difference? Care to explain to the group why a grenade launcher ban seemed to make sense when Grenades are HIGHLY regulated and care to tell the class how many crimes were committed with GRENADES? Maybe you could explain how the DOJ said that even before the ban only 3-4% of crimes were committed with the types of weapons banned meant that they should be banned? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And then ignoring any data that proves him wrong. He also uses "new" math. If more than one person shares the same view... They are in fact only one person and their opinion only counts as one. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

CNN is just as bad. The problem is when people only complain about one sides spin. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sure ya did..... That is why only that word was wrong Just can't admit when you screw up huh? It also goes to show your powers of observation suck. You are more concerned with throwing your insults than actually knowing what is going on, or participating in any real discussions.... This last post of yours just supports that AGAIN, and AGAIN, AGAIN, and AGAIN. PS... Just shows your level of education and your level of maturity when you can't spell an insult. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I think if you are on welfare you should have to go to substance abuse treatment. My Dad was a social worker in the 70's and my buddies wife is a social worker now. Both tell me that the major hurdle for these people to get back on their feet is substance abuse. I fail to see how substance abuse treatment would hurt... Would it cost more? Maybe, but I am willing to pay to help, not pay to enable. Other studies show about the same % as the general population.... Still my opinion is that drug testing and treatment would not hurt and should be required. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And you think only one side does it? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative also. Real tests put me as libertarian with a slight right lean. This was the part I agreed with: If you could have your way, you'd like to see Republican leaders take a slightly more pragmatic approach on certain issues - and dial down some of their nakedly partisan and bitterly divisive rhetoric. I'd like to see both parties do that. And it is also true I have not voted for a Democrat. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It also goes to show your powers of observation suck. You are more concerned with throwing your insults than actually knowing what is going on, or participating in any real discussions.... This last post of yours just supports that AGAIN, and AGAIN, and AGAIN. PS... If you are going to claim people do something.... You might learn to spell it. Just shows your level of education and your level of maturity when you can't spell an insult. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Uh, you said: "Have you noticed NO ONE is supporting you either?" And then others said: "Uh, just about everyone here supports him. I'm not the type that feels the need to enter +1 after reposting his content. It stands fine on its own." But then you tried the ignore the FACTS again and try to change reality so it finally fits your personal vision: "But since you, mnealtx, Ron and JohnRich can be considered a single opponent on gun ownership matters" So again, you can only win if you ignore the facts. Provide the PROOF of that statement. Irony score of this from you.... Of the freaking chart! "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Found this pretty close http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bldemocraticquiz.htm "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, you called the idiots. I asked if the people who got their car stolen were stupid. "Of course not all firearm owners are idiots or irresponsible. However 300K stolen guns a year is indicator that there is a lot of gun owners who are." Do you think the over 1 million people who had their cars stolen were "idiots"? Nonsense you full quote: "Of course not all firearm owners are idiots or irresponsible. However 300K stolen guns a year is indicator that there is a lot of gun owners who are." idiots or irresponsible tied to 300k stolen guns a year. Your English needs work if you meant something else, cause you clearly said something different than you are trying to claim now. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Bow and Arrow, Long staff weapon, ever see a mailbox after it has been hit by a baseball bat in a game of "mail box baseball"? So, lots of weapons. WE have not discussed anything. And I have read those discussions and YOU have not provided anything to support your position. Please explain why violent crime rates and gun crimes are going UP in the UK. Do your own research... I have provided mine already and it clearly spelled it out, Hell, I even linked the official report... Yu just ignored it like normal.... Do a search. You need to do some more research. Really? Clearly, you are wrong again, go fish. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Where is your PROOF that would happen? You keep demanding proof from others, so don't be mad when we hold you to that same standard. And the proof is they clearly were for the Jews. I would tell them to blame the criminal, not the item. Just like I would not blame GM for a drunk driver. No, I would not tell them to be "happy". You however would gladly tell them their family is dead due to an item... And YOU clearly also wish others to be killed so you can win an online debate. "let's see what you will say when it is YOUR CHILD AND WIFE who are killed by the next Cho"--georgerussia. England's gun crime is UP. Which goes to show criminals will not abide by a ban. Lame...... And seen right through. "No, I just ignore Ron posts" --georgerussia. Uh, the only one "debating" me is you and Kallend. You have 4-5 guys telling you that you are wrong and providing data to support their positions. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It also goes to show your powers of observation suck. You are more concerned with throwing your insults than actually knowing what is going on, or participating in any real discussions.... This last post of yours just supports that AGAIN, and AGAIN. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

A gun can easily be replaced by another weapon, and it is impossible to ban all types of weapons (like a knife). It is also impossible to ban criminals. In your opinion, but you have no data to back that position up. Prohibition did not work, drug bans did not work.... Yet you think somehow what has failed in the past suddenly will work? Not logical. Data to back that position up? If VA had done their job correctly, Cho would have never been able to buy a weapon. ALSO, you claim that criminals will be able to get guns if they really want them.... The same standard applies to guys like Cho. Just like I could get drugs if I really wanted, just like I can get fake Rolex's if I really wanted. If somone wants it bad enough... Your idea of a ban is not going to stop anything.... Look at Mexico. They have strict bans and they have a gun problem. How do your reconcile that with Mexico's gun ban, they have gun crime? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

More than 1.2 million cars are reported stolen each year, are those people also stupid? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Getting people off drugs would lead to less Govt spending. You don't think getting people off of drugs will reduce poverty? It will increase their reliability and that will help them find and keep work. They will quit spending money on drugs and will instead feed their family. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Nope, just showing you would rather insult and bitch than listen, or discuss..... Standard OP for you, I don't know why I am ever surprised. It also goes to show your powers of observation suck. You are more concerned with throwing your insults than actually knowing what is going on, or participating in any real discussions.... This last post of yours just supports that AGAIN. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It seems that you are unable to reconcile how your deeply held beliefs do not seem to jive with reality. You seem to more interested in throwing insults at people you disagree with, than actually listening to what they say. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

But YOU just typed "Unless Much Lamebarf comes out against this.. it aint gonna happen amoung the Teabagging Party of NO" So once again, how do you reconcile that? It seems you are incorrect in your assumptions yet again. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

This makes me think so also: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Funny... you have: 1. Called me a teabagger. 2. Claimed I listen to Rush. Yet I came out against this....... How do you reconcile that? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And you and guns. But you want to ban guns... Not the behavior. Why the different take here? For your positions to be consistent, you would want to ban *cell phones* to prevent texting while driving. Rhem's position is consistent... Ban the behavior (bad driving, crime). Yours is to ban an act in one case (texting while driving), but the object in the other (guns). "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So have I... you just ignore them Like your claim (BTW where is your "proof" to back this claim up?): Which I provided proof was nothing but BS from you. People with disabilities are 50 percent more likely to be victims of violent crimes than are people without disabilities, according to a government study released Thursday So *I* have provided proof to debunk your claims... You have just brought BS claims. Such as this one: And in 1938 there were gun laws that banned them for the Jews, and I provided PLENTY of data to back that position. You then tried to lamely claim you "were only talking about WW2".... Well, you do know that the law went into effect in 1938 and was still in effect till the end of WW2 right? No, you reply with insults and wishes people's families are hurt. "you're so amazingly full of yourself "--georgerussia "let's see what you will say when it is YOUR CHILD AND WIFE who are killed by the next Cho"--georgerussia. This just shows you do not have the cognitive ability to understand rational discussions. And is a prime example of you not understanding the topic, nor any ones position on the topic and rather just making up a position. Show ANY data that supports that claim... Go ahead, bring the PROOF you claim to bring that shows that as my position. Your position is to ban the ITEM and ignore the criminal. That position has been proven to NOT WORK (prohibition, war on drugs, gun bans in other Country's). Yet you are unable to understand the complex issues and instead have to rely on the simplistic "guns are bad" mantra. I have backed up everything, you have provided rants. Not only that but you outright LIE. "No, I just ignore Ron posts" --georgerussia. When busted, you make lame comments about a native speakers language skills: BTW, it should read "Do you understand what "present time" mean(s)", and you should also notice that there is no time reference mentioned. Still want to debate language skills? It seems the best that you can do when you have nothing else. Have you noticed NO ONE is supporting you? Something is obvious, but the roles you hold in your head are just like all your other observations... Incorrect and not supported with data. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Fine then you tact makes as much sense as preventing future drive by shootings by taking away the cars. Your solution does not prevent criminals from committing crimes. It only attempts to prevent them from possessing *items*.... Criminals will still commit crimes. Also, your solution is not workable... Gun bans don't prevent criminals from getting guns, and you have admitted that. One workable solution is MUCH stricter punishments for gun CRIME... FL has a 10/20/life rule. Have a gun when you commit a crime 10 years. Pull it out, 20 years, shoot someone life. This punishes the ACTIONS, not the items. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334