Ron

And you claimed the CDC is one of the few organizations that could do a proper job.... till they did a study and said they could find no correlation between restrictive gun laws and any reduction in gun crime/violence. So it seems you only approve of agencies that come to the conclusions that you support. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

That's because when you answer them, you show you have no idea what you are talking about. Still waiting on your lame answer to this foot in your mouth. I even provided a link you normally cry about people not giving you. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/02/crimes.disabled/index.html People with disabilities are 50 percent more likely to be victims of violent crimes than are people without disabilities, according to a government study released Thursday According to the study, the first of its kind, the violent crime rate was 32 per 1,000 for disabled people 12 or older. That's compared to 21 per 1,000 for the nondisabled for the same age group. Once again, you are show to be full of opinion but severely lacking on substance and fact. Still waiting on your claim that kids that had guns and drove would get pulled over.... Even though I proved that the Columbine attackers drove not only to shoot, but to detonate explosives. So you have a clear history of saying stupid things and when proven to be full of it...Making some other lame claim. So we have a new trait to your "debate style" 1. Where is your data? Then we provide it. 2. Where is your link? We say it was a book/report/study. 3. I don't have that book/report/study therefore your position is false since you have not provided a link. So we provide links, the name and author of the book he can buy. 4. He just ignores people that prove him to be full of it. But his arguments go like this: 1. I am right, you are wrong. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I just got a letter like it from the VA!!!!! I pay for private HC because the level of care I have gotten from the VA was way below standard. My PCP actually laughed at the treatment program the VA suggested. Called it "Useless". I have had US Govt run HC.... Have you? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh, please expand on "people like me"... Cause I am willing to bet you have no idea what you are talking about. Funny how you claim the CDC is one of the only agencies that could do a good study... That is until they do one you don't like. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You are supporting the largest entitlement program ever considered. You would have EVERY adult over the age of 18 getting a govt check. Except you completely ignore the FEDERAL GOVT is the one cutting all the checks. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The fair tax plan says people have to, "register once a year with their sales tax administering authority, providing the names and social security numbers of each household member." Now, who do you think will be the 'sales tax administering authority'? Anyone that supports smaller Govt should have a problem with the fair tax plan as written. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Already have... didn't like what I saw. And in the process create the LARGEST govt program ever created. With that plan you would have EVERY taxpayer getting a govt check EVERY mth. My idea would be REDUCE the size of the IRS, not make it larger than ever before. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Still waiting BTW: Proof to back that up? Cause it does not jive with reality. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/02/crimes.disabled/index.html People with disabilities are 50 percent more likely to be victims of violent crimes than are people without disabilities, according to a government study released Thursday According to the study, the first of its kind, the violent crime rate was 32 per 1,000 for disabled people 12 or older. That's compared to 21 per 1,000 for the nondisabled for the same age group. So once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Awaiting your lame excuse..... I even included a link that you can click on that proves you have no idea what you are talking about. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You have to understand his process to debate you. 1. Where is your data? Then you provide it. 2. Where is your link? You say it was a book. 3. I don't have that book therefore your position is false. But his arguments go like this: 1. I am right, you are wrong. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Based on the data that criminals have said they avoid places where they think people are armed... Nope. Criminals state they avoid committing crimes where they think civilians with guns are... Sorry, by ANY definition that means it does. Data has shown your position to be wrong. It is pretty clear you don't care about the data and instead prefer to hold onto your opinions no matter what. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your position only makes sense if you consider a civilian as part of the system. My reserve IS part of the system by design. Your argument is along the lines that my main failed and you swooped by and grabbed me and saved me then claiming that action is part of the system. The police, justice, and FFL systems.... Yep, massive failure. The guy with the gun in your scenario and the guy that subdued the attacker are both examples of a person outside the system saving the day. In both cases, the system failed. In both cases a civilian saved the day.... Unless you seem to think CHL holders are a vital part of the system. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

That hurts the poor more than the rich. The only truly "fair" tax is a flat rate that starts to accumulate once above the poverty level. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Don't know any Lush Rimjob... Come on, bro... You can do it. Try to cut out the BS and try again All you have to do is use the guys real name, are you able to have a real discussion? Or do you just prefer the childish BS? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

15% of 1 million is more than 15% of 10k. That I would agree with. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And the CDC found ZERO correlation between restrictive gun laws and deaths. I guess you think the CDC did a poor job? I bet people that buy skydiving gear are significantly more likely to die skydiving than people who don't buy skydiving gear. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And Do not make sense.... In scenario #1 you claim a crime has been committed, but in your second scenario you ADMIT it is more serious... So the good guy having a gun DID make the crime less serious. Which is one of MY positions. They were deterred from some crimes. I don't know who you are going to listen to if you don't want to listen to the very people who commit these acts on why they do the things they do and what prevented them form certain deeds. If a criminal tells me that he avoids places where civilians might be armed.... I tend to think that is a valid piece of data... You just choose to ignore it. And I know you are incapable of admitting anything to someone you consider a gun nut. I have agreed with many of YOUR view points. I think I have stated the case pretty clearly that it is next to impossible to prove that guns can't prevent crime. Nope, I want you to admit that you can't prove guns CAUSE crime. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

But the fact a citizen saved the day is not the system "working" in any way shape or form unless the official policy has citizens jumping up and beating down an attacker written as a procedure.... And I have looked some and never seen, "Big guy beats bad guy's butt"written anywhere. The "system" failed... A citizen saved the day. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

My driving habits didn't change one bit. but the point was that it is more revenue generation than anything since the least expensive was also the most attractive and there was no difference in price for different speeds. Yep, auto spell on my iPhone bit me again!!!! "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have been told by police officers that there are not "quotas", but that they are expected to issue a certain amount of citations. There is no fixed published number, but issue too few and he said you will have to explain why you had so few. So while it may not be a "quota" according to them you still have to make "X" number to stay out of trouble. Now, that may not apply to your department, but for the departments around Dallas, they all seem to agree there is an "unofficial" quota. If you called me and asked me a company question on an unofficial subject.... I would also give you the "official" answer even if it is not actually practice. I got a ticket in the Dallas area. I was coming off the interstate onto the service road and had not slowed down enough. I asked if he could reduce the speed on the ticket so it would cost less... He said, "It would not matter." After I looked at the methods to pay the ticket: 1. Pay the ticket and get the points on my License 180ish. It didn't matter if I was 1MPH over, or 25 MPH over. 2. Take differed adjudication for 125ish. I just had to not get a ticket for the next 6 mths. No points 3. Take a driving class for 140ish. No points. 4. Take it to court and pay 200ish in court costs. Which do you think I and almost everyone else does? After looking at that... How can you NOT see it as a revenue generation system? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I agree AND I very much doubt that the Govt wants to lose the power of the IRS. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You can do the exact same as long as you stay legal.... just like him. I am growing more and more to be a fan of a flat rate tax with very few, if any, deductions. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It is a book, I see no issue. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Don't know any Lush Rimjob... Come on, bro... You can do it. Try to cut out the BS and try again "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Then how can some claim increased guns equal increases in crime??? And why don't you say this to them? And the most recent piece from the CDC showed ZERO correlation in gun laws and crime rates. Also, the Brady group was pushing for the CDC report, right up until that report didn't say what they wanted it to say. Also, the CDC is centers for DISEASE control. Crime is not a disease. The FBI does studies about CRIME and most of their studies support my position more than your position. Maybe.... When did the FBI become "an ultra right wing site"?????? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Who is 'Lush'? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334