Ron

Thats not giving advice...Thats just reading aloud. Giving advice is being asked a question and having to formulate a plan based on your knowledge. The sim can't identify a problem for you. It can't tell you if you are back sliding, or tell you that your flairing to late. Interesting enough a guy with 100 jumps can't either I would bet the guy with 1,000 jumps and an AFF ticket can identify a problem better than a guy with 100 jumps. What is truely dangerous is a guy that has 100 jumps telling a guy with 50 the right way to do something....Chances are they don't know, and are just being a parrot. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

peep Here I have always checkk my handles...It got tucked during the climbout or exit. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Can't fiqure out if Im a good guy that does bad things, or a bad guy that does good things huh? When you fiqure it out let me know. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Whoohoo Im popular!!!! Love/Hate, Same thing "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well Kerry voted to go to war...Then he slams Bush for actually doing it. And he was a player in the Patriot act....And now he claims it a bad thing. He fought in Vietnam. Which in '66 several folks though it was the right thing. And some of his own boys claimed him to be a medal hungry leader...He waives the whole "Im a war hero" thing around (and he IS)...But then joins Fonda slamming the war when he gets back. Now he claims the war is wrong,and the patriot act is bad, Blames Bush for bringing up the past and keeping war wounds open...He testified to congress how we were killing just anyone over there..(But not him of course). My biggest issue is he is two faced....His whole life he has wanted to be in politics. He idolized JFK, and one of his proud monents in high school was when he was dating a cousin of JFK's...Another he went boating with JFK. He is not a BAD man...And he IS a war hero... But his whole life has been about doing things that look good on a resume... In '66 all the "leaders" were going to fight...In '68 it was different. He was medal hungry according to some of his men. Guys with medals make good canidates...(JFK had 'em) He testified to congress that the war was bad when it was no longer a cool war...Again a popularity making move. He voted to cut welfare...I liked him for this. But it was the popular thing to do at the time. He voted to cut military spending...Popular He voted to use force against Iraq...Again popular. He helped draft part of the Patriot act..Poplular when it was drafted. But as soon as the tides change so does he... As soon as the war was unpopluar he fought against it. He voted to use force in Iraq...Then said that the war is bad. He helped create the patriot act...Then said it was bad. I wish the guy would stick to one side. I liked Lieberman...He was easy to understand and didn't change sides with the popular vote...Kerry does. His whole life he was trying to be president...And played whatever card made him popular. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Me???? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well if you want help, and want to go to Zhills let me know. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And the whole point of this thread was to advise 100 jump wonders to not be so eager to give advice. And I never asked for a "rule"...I just want 100 jump wonders to know that they don't have all the answers (Hell no one has ALL the answers...but I'd bet on the guy with 1,000 jumps to have more than the guy with 100), and for guys looking for advice to seek a better source than the 100 jump wonder. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So even using your theory about aerodynamics.... I am MUCH more qualified than you to talk about it as it relates to skydiving than you...since, while I may suck at math...I do have 3,000 jumps and almost 100 hours of tunnel. Feel free to talk to anyone you like....But understand that you may be wrong...and you could kill them. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

He could give the wrong advice. He may be able to tell what he THINKS he did...But that may not be what he actually DID. I have heard several guys give bad advice...They think they are giving good advice...But many times they are wrong..Sometimes they give advice and that piece of advice casues more problems. Let use this dive for an example...Lets say Al tells dave to "hug the beach ball" And that will allow you to float some...But he forgets (Or just does not know himself) that you have to stay out from under the formation...The only way to do that is to be able to SEE the formation..The best way to do that is to turn your head sideways. But Al does not know that and he tells Dave to just get big...Dave does on the next jump and yes he comes up....right under the formation funneling it. Honestly I was told once to get under a formation to help bring it down to me (Honest I was told this once.) So bad info is out there, and a guy with 100 jumps really can't tell good info from bad yet. How do you make the call then..What is OK to talk about, and what is not OK? And I have shown you where it could be bad... Another. Hey, can I jump this canopy its a Nova 150....? Yes, but they may not know enough to be able to trouble shoot a problem...And they may not know enough to give the BEST answer. BEST DONE THROUGH CAREFUL INSTRUCTION...Who is the better teacher. A guy with 100 jumps or the guy with 10,000? Who has the most knowledge? Who has the most experience? Who has made more mistakes? Made more of everything? Tell Kallend that. It all boils down to this...Would you rather get advice on how to turn from a member of Airspeed, or a guy with 100 jumps? Given the choice I'd go with Airspeed. They have the best info... The guy with 100 jumps may have SOME of it right, but not ALL of it...and besides like you said with tracking. I turn different than you do....But I bet I know more about how you turn than you do how I turn. The way I know more about how you do things that you me...Is that I have done it several ways, and I have been coaching it for years. You said that (BTW I don't agree...Its about math.) But who has more experimantation...You at 180 jumps, or me with 3,000? Who will most times give the best answer? BTW if I were standing on a DZ and a student walked up to me and asked me something I would direct them to a teacher that works on THAT DZ....I have seen different DZ's teach different things..If I had tried to help chances are I would not teach it the way that DZ wants it. How hard is it to understand that those with more experience are better to get info from? And that if a person does not have a rating they have not PROVEN their ability to teach or even their basic knowledge. When in doubt get with (in order) : 1. YOUR instructor. 2. An instructor at YOUR DZ. 3. An Instructor. 4. A coach. 5. S&TA 6. An experienced guy that knows you. 7. An experienced guy that does not know you. 8. A guy with more jumps than you. 9. The DZ packer. 10. The Dropzone dog. 11. Ask on DZ.com. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

But do you think you could teach it as well as an instructor? Again you didn't try to teach him how not to spin on deployment....I can think of about 4 things right now that could cause that to happen....I don't know which he did...So I would have to cover them all....You migh only know 1 or 2...And they may not be the issue. You could cause more issues with the fix than you help. You handled it pretty good....We all have to remember to pull before the dirt. Why don't you have your A yet? You have 32 jumps...what are you missing? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And thats what I wanted to hear. I would hate for a guy with "X" number of jumps to think he can't come. I think its a good thing, and it did go well last time.... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Minimum jump requirements? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So you kept your mouth shut right? Good job. Some don't. Which is taught in every course I have ever seen. You didn't teach this....They didn't come to you and ask you a question...About HOW to do a PLF. If they did I would hope you would send them to an Instructor. Why? You have a coach for that reason. He is working with you. You may not even have that problem...you might just THINK you do...He would KNOW if you do. I was coaching a guy..I told him he needed to arch some...He told me he was. I told him he was not...He swore he was. Still he didn't. I had to jump a video camera and SHOW him that he was not arching...He said he was until he saw he was not. He was almost violent about how strongly he was arching...But only after I showed him he was not did he realize he was not. If you were my student, or getting coaching from me...I don't want others trying to help me help you. They have no idea what I saw on the last jump, and no idea what I am trying to fix. What if they start trying to teach you the mantis position, but you are not stable enough for it yet? It just hurts you and makes my life hard. If you were there getting coaching...I would keep my mouth shut out of respect to that coach, and not to confuse you. I am sure I don't teach the same as every other coach out there. And if you are not my student....I don't feel the need to put my two cents in unless you are doing something that could kill you.....In fact If I was doing something really stupid...I would hope you would ask me about it. BTW there is a 4 way scrambles up here in March...You should come up. There will be coaches jumping with each group for the day with video. More Here "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Did I say you were a complete idiot????? Did I miss that? Well I would be willing to bet that a guy with 100 jumps knows more about skydiving than a guy with one. Or a guy with an instructors rating knows more thana guy with 50 jumps and no rating....I may not be right 100% of the time...But I would be willing to bet I would be right 99% of the time. So instead of giving advice that you know to be correct you would just parrot that advice? What if you really don't understand the question and give the wrong advice? Why would you give advice if you don't know how to do it, and just repeat it like a damn brainless bird? With that approach your right...But how about this one: Hey how do you do this? "Why don't we find an instructor to help you out...I would not want to give you information that might be wrong" It kills me that some guy that has done 50 jumps now thinks he knows enough to teach it...What kind of stupidity is that? I still think you are going to bounce till you have 100 jumps. Simple...you don't have the ratings don't give "advice". Hell I have been teaching since 1995 and I don't teach other peoples students....I guess you know more than me huh? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

#1. I had gloves. But he didn't know I had them. And it is wrong to know you have a fatal disease and not tell the people that could be in a situation that could cause it to be transmited to another. And before a bunch of people start yelling I don't know what I am talking about, and I get my info from the news... I have been trained in spill clean up for over 7 years...And that includes bloodborne pathogens. It was my primary job for 2 years. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Why not just keep your mouth shut and direct them to someone qualified to teach them? It kills me to see a 50 jump student teaching a guy with less jumps than him.....I mean there is a reason the USPA has ratings. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes. Anything that could kill you...should be talked about. While it would be a very small chance of an injury that woud allow the blood to mix...It COULD happen. This is a sport that sometimes breaks people. Billvon jumped on my case once I think for going to a femur break without gloves....I had em, but he was right. So if Im not supposed to rush out to a broken jumper without protection,..why whould I want to risk being strapped to him in the event of a crash? Simple I would not. As for the sign that says I have had sex with 60 women...Hell, I'd wear it with pride "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

There have been some amazing responses to this. One person (who I will not out, unles they let me) sent me a large check. It's not the size that counts (or at least thats what girls keep telling me ...Not about ME of course) But its the thought. I have to say that there are some very good harted folks here. So thanks to all...And keep 'em comming. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well you are correct, there are folks drivinga round with Challenger license plates that didn't ever ride the shuttle...But most plates are from things people do. I would venture to say that not even all the jumpers in FL. would get one...(I would not, Stacey said she would not)....And I REALLY doubt that there would be enough people to want one that don't jump. I live in Zhills....some of the folks there don't know that there is a DZ on the Airport....More have never been there, and even more don't care. When you just look at the numbers...There are not enough jumpers in FL to make it happen. and if there are not enough in FL....Well chances are there are not enough in ANY state. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ya know there was a guy on here that was going to buy this really neat canopy from a buddy... The guy only wanted a couple of hundred bucks for a ZP 9 cell with less than 100 jumps on it..A good deal right? Well that canopy was a Nova....Was it still a good deal? He didn't know about the Nova....I bet more folks that read this post don't know what a Nova is. I also bet that they don't know about the ASTRA, and how great it was hyped to be. And there are still folks that don't know that AAD's are not perfect. And that new products have new issues. Like it or not....I will say what I want....And if I like it or not, you don't have to like it. Like it or not, someone will learn something. Not everyone reads every post....Hell, Im on here all the time, and I don't read every post. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

15,000 people would be more than Florida's total skydiving population. The USPA only has 35,000 people in it....So half would have to live (and have a car registered) in FL. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Read what I wrote...A Normal skydive does not scare me anymore than a normal drive to the store to get Milk.... Now if I am driving to the store to get milk and a guy cuts me off...It can scare me...Just like a guy buzzing me in freefall, while am under canopy can scare me. But a regular skydive does not scare me. I also avoid zoo loads like the plague. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Im not afraid of fucking up...If you are then maybe you should quit the sport. I know I CAN fuck up..But I am not AFRAID I'll fuck up...those are two very different things. I can easily die doing this, and I know that. However I take as many steps as I can to not put myself into dangerous situations. I don't do bigways...They are dangerous, and not that fun. I do mainly 4 and 8way, I don't go to boogies. I avoid jumping with folks I think are dangerous...I don't do freefly, don't fly a wingsuit. I jump the same type and size of canopy for the last 2,000 jumps. (Stiletto 107) I pull higher than 2 grand. So, nope...Im not afraid of fucking up..I know I CAN...But knowing I can, and even knowing it could kill me does not mean Im afraid of it. Again..you don't know me. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Maybe Im not pushing my limits. I don't do stupid things just to get a fear high. Ok red my posts again...you clearly have not. I said on a noraml skydive....Read before you post. You don't know me...so you can't really say anything about me now can you? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334