Ron

Nonsense.... It just means that you might have do do a few more things before strapping another person onto you. That is not asking a lot and maybe will make better and safer instructors. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

A license that shows that ALL of the requirements of ALL the lower licenses have been met including the completed night jumps. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Nothing that I know of.... So it just solidifies my comment about either: 1. Do the jumps 2. Stick with the "C" 3. Get a waiver. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

YES. He is as much a part of Zhills as the firepit. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I'd sorta disagree. Being an instructor means you have to really think about what you want the student to do and have many different methods to explain that to the student. Somethings I take for granted as a competitor are pretty natural for me after 5k jumps and a bunch of training.... But I learn more when I try to explain something to someone else. And that you normally REALLY know the subject matter. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Clearly lots of people.... Such as those that have refused to do the night jumps and bitch about it. Not everyone wants to swoop, not everyone wants to stomp on a disk. Also you seemed to skip over that I wrote "Just threw those out as examples". "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

In 18 years maybe 5-6 weeks total. Not a whole lot of time over 18 years "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I am a weekend jumper and have: AFFI, SLI, TI. Been to 10 nationals with medals in open 8way, int 8way, advanced 4way, int 4way, 16 way and 10 way. I have a PRO rating and about 100 demos. Flown video for teams and tandems. Been on a 110 way. Have a National Record in 16way. So, it is very possible to be a weekend jumper and do a bunch of stuff. No, you may not do it in a couple of years, but this should not be a race. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I was thinking more of a two way.... But then again, I am not a VRW guy. I would add things like camera jumps as well. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I think that to get a "D" License you should have to show some level of proficiency in more than one thing. For example two of the below: * Instructor rating (Coach or higher) * Competition exp. * 8pt 4way or 4pt 8way RW * 4pt VRW * CRW 4 stack * Wing Suit flock 4 or larger * 50 way or larger RW * PRO rating * Style set in less than 10 seconds Just threw those out as examples. I also think that a cutaway should be required. I think the night jumps should remain. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes, very simple huh? Don't want to meet the standards put into place: 1. Stick with a "C" 2. Get a restricted license. Now you are just being silly. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You keep saying that... But that is only because you ignore all the other reasons given. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

For those that want an unrestricted license. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Those people can get a waiver. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And the night jump requirements for a "D" license are more than just "burning two holes in the sky". You have to do a solo and an RW jump. And some skydiving instructors give more than the min... But that is not the issue. And zero would have made you less comfortable than two. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Nonsense.... That is all you have understood. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And *if done correctly* the briefing and the two night jumps gives you skills for low light landings. What proficiency does the FAA have written for the 3 hours of night duel? It does require 2 night jumps for a "D" license JUST as 3 hours of duel at night is required for a private ticket. Do not want to do the requirements to get the LICENSE... Then stick to sport pilot, or a "C". "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

How does three hours of duel at night prove competency at flying solo at night? How is three hours of duel training (with no other objectives) enough to certify someone to get a pilots LICENSE and allow them to fly SOLO at night? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

True, but at 14k feet it looks a lot brighter than at the ground.... Lots of people don't know that. False. You have to have a "B" and you have to get a briefing. You have to do a solo before you can do RW. You need two to get the "D" LICENSE. Again false. 3 hrs duel of instruction to get the LICENSE. And to perform at night you have to have made 3 landings in the previous 90 days to take pax. So, fail to do both night jumps or fail to get the three hours of duel and you cannot get the LICENSE you want. You can settle for a sport license or a "C". 3 Hours of duel at night does not make anyone an expert at flying at night.... Still, it is better than zero experience. And still, it is required for the LICENSE. "Sunset" is *LEGALLY* the end of of evening civil twilight when the geometric center of the sun reaches 6° below the horizon. Hard to measure, even harder to measure when the angle is different at 14k and at the ground. Do I take lights on sunset jumps? No, but I also tend to not take students or even go on those jumps anyway. If I had my way, you would need a "D" to get on those jumps (proving you have made jumps in low light conditions). "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I had an instructor with me to prevent me from crashing. Yet, after certification I was allowed to fly solo. Way to avoid the point. Also, some Counties do not require parallel parking, yet you can do it once you get your license. Many people have stated that claim is false. The probability of an "Accidental" night flight, using your terms, is also zero. So why is it required for a pilots license and yet should not be for a "D"? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Leave the toggles alone and most canopies fly close to straight, most people can bring both toggles close to the same distance down (ears, shoulders) and the canopy will fly pretty close to straight. When you turn you *increase* the speed of the canopy. Last thing you want if you collide is to be going faster. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

+1 "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

An hour? No... But as dark out that it could be considered a night jump based on CONDITIONS not some arbitrary number? YES. And I have said it has happened to me twice. Others have said it has happened to them as well. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Parallel parking is required to get a drivers license in most States. It is also something that I have rarely had to do, it is also something that can be avoided in most cases.... I guess we can just remove that as well right? I have a pilots license... You know the ONLY time I have flown at night? Yep, to meet the requirements to get my LICENSE. It is more dangerous than flying during the day, and flying at night can pretty much easily be avoided. You going to claim that night flying should be removed from the pilot training curriculum? The parallel parking from the drivers license? The drivers LICENSE is not an award. The pilots LICENSE is not an award. The "D" LICENSE is not an award. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Because a lot of jumpers "shop" for the answer they want. I had an hour long discussion with a guy with 650 jumps and was doing down wind landings on a 1.9 loaded canopy in 20 MPH winds. He had never done a DW landing in 10 MPH, just jumped to 20..... He just would no accept that skipping the 5, 10,15, MPH DW landing and going right to the 20 was a bad idea. I spent about an hour trying to explain it.... and that was after he was handed off to me from someone else that tried to explain it for at least 30 mins. I think this night jump issue is the same. There are some good reasons why it is a requirement IMO... But in the end it *IS* a requirement. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334