Ron

Nope..I think he was feed bad intel...No I don't know if it was to furter an agenda , or if it was just stupidity...And that is a big difference...One is criminal, the other just a mistake. And the CIA is not going to Admit they were wrong. No one really does. If you accuse a student of plagerism...do they usually fess up right there? Nope and niether do most politians. But my point is you said this organization was created to feed Bush the intel he wanted...It is now shown it was not. And I have said it before...If you can prove Bush lied and sent this nation to war for no reason...I will line up with you for his head ot be on a stick.. But so far you have shown no proof. And to be honest I thought they did as well...They did have them...Hell we sold them to them so we knew they had them. They were unable to show how they got rid of them. They CLAIMED to have them still. They at first didn't co-operate with Blix...Blix himself said they were stalling and not totally open. So if you can prove he lied...I'll fight with you...Until then you are on your own. And I would much rather debate you than ignore you. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well how about an answer? Whats the difference between Marriage, and a civil union? I don't see a difference. I don't see a difference. Simple fact is Kerry can't pick a side...Well he can pick one, but he will not stay put. How about this one: Ok he says he does not want to charge more if you are married. And But then he Votes to keep it? AND only for those with less than 50,000 per year...So he hit the poorer folks. There are more. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ok John....Er I mean Rainman. One of my problems is this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54569-2004Mar12.html And you have made claims about Bush making groups to create false info. Seems like maybe they were not. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

If the best you can do is be a parrot John.....I'm not going to bother debating it with you. I have lost much respect fro you and found you to be a good advisary...and to be honest you made me doubt my ideas at times...But not with 3rd grade retoric like this. Hello Rainman, Good bye Doc. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You should check the actual words.. I quoted the whole thing to show where he said this part... Legal recognition being the key thing...You don't need LEGAL recocnition to date or live with someone...Only to get the benefits of marriage. Then he says: So in the first one he says that the states should not ban Gay Marriage (Or a LEGAL union). Then in the second he says he would not rule it out. What is a marriage but a "Civil Union" recognized by law? Another BS argument brought to you by the same party we had to define the words "sex" and "is". A Marriage is a Civil Union. And Im still waiting for Kerry to pick a side. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ok Rainman...Show your intelect by not debating the topic...but by resulting to 4th grade tactics. Thats cool. You just lost TONS of my my respect. If you can't defend a position it's pretty lame to wave shinny things and try to change the topic. I really did expect more from you. Next I'm gonna be told that the Easter bunny never existed. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well I'm willing to bet that someone gave bad intel...I am also willing to bet that no one will fess up to it. (Not may people admit making mistakes...particulary in politics). But lik eI have said before...If you can PROVE Bush lied about WMD's...I'll join you to oust him. But without Proof, don't say he lied. And my big issue was how Dr.Kallend alwasy used this to show how Bush lied..Or how he manipulated the intel....Now it seems it was BS. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh Dr Kallend??????? Comments? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The Declaration of Independence says: Now I will give them large amounts of credit that they didn't choose a religion...But it sure does mention God. The United States was based on many things, but one of them is religion...In this case it is freedom to choose HOW to worship God. Which is what Artical I of the Bill of Rights says: All that says is that Congress will not make any laws that put one religion over another, and that you are free to worship how you want. And even that is not true. If my religion tells me its ok to kill people that don't agree with me...I still can't do it. No I think it was a reaction to different religious zelots trying to become the "Offical" religion of the new country. And the Founding Fathers not wanting to repeat the mistakes of the past with the Church & Goverment enter mixed. It created problems in the past...Such as the King saying one thing and the Church saying another. A powerful Church took power away from the Government....And that meant taking power away from the People here...Since were were by the People for the People. It was a smart move....Religion has no place in politcs... However, like it or not, most Governments and laws are based off of the religion that was popular in that area at that time. No amount of changes, changes the simple FACT that religion has played...and in many cases still plays a large part in the shaping of a country and its laws, and in politics. Lets face it, Lieberman didn't have a chance. Just cause you don't like it....Just cause people try not to use it...Does not make it not TRUE. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Wendy if you read all that I wrote... My only point was to show that it is a fact that the Nation was BASED on RELIGION. The Founding Fathers saw an issue with that and 3 years after they drafted and approved the U.S. Constutition they drafted the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights has the amendment about the Goverment not messing around with religion. Now I agree with that, but it does not change the FACT that the 1st Governmet in the US was based on religion...It does not change that the Declaration of Independence mentions religion. That was my only point. Im not going to agrue to good or bad of it...But it would be the same if I pointed out how at one time Alcohol was illegal. The fact i was repealed does not mean that it was AT ONE TIME illegal. Just like how the Bill of Rights does not change the history prior to that document...It may change the FUTURE, but it does not change the PAST. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your pal Kerry on this topic. (Since it is a Kerry thread and all.) So first he says No...then he says Maybe? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

why should I stop if you don't? And atleast I use more than ONE example of anything... "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Again John quit using Kerry threads to sling Mud at Bush...I expect more from you. You claim to be smart, but you can't defend Kerry....Only slam Bush. Its getting old, and you look pathetic doing it. Thread: Kerry is an ASS Kallend: Bush lied! Thread: Kerry raped small rodents Kallend: Bush lied! Thread: 4way scrambles at Zhills Kallend: Bush Lied! See? IT gets really old. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Again John...This is a Kerry thread not a Bush thread...Sling mud ina Bush thread and let us stick to our own happy little Kerry is an idiot topics here "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Adams was just ONE of several folks that helped form this country. Well the Declaration was 1776 and it mentions God. The first draft of the Constitution did not conatain the Bill of Rights that was 3 years later. The FIRST Goverment that was established here was a religious settlement. I agree it would be bad...But it does not change the FACTS. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, but it can happen anywhere. And they can do ONE per jump....The can do several attepts at back loops..Most students get to try two. So they can do an unstable exit, and TWO attempts in one 100 dollar jump...your way for them to get 3 unstable situation that have to pay 300.00 bucks. And what happens it the person freaks out and is on thier back and starts to spin? (Trust me this does happen) You expect a coach to be able to stop the spin, flip them over, get them stable and handle a possible freaking out student? Bad idea. I think this has happenind maybe TWICE in my over 8 years of teaching. I pass them. They passed the level. And like I said you made my 100.00 dollar lesson cost 300.00 for the same effect. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I'll have to try that at home. I'll get back to you. But lets face it ALL people change their minds...My biggest issue is how Kerry will not just admit it...He claims he didn't change his mind. And you guys buy it...now that does kill me. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Him...yes. Her...Nope...I'd offer her a drink. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well why don't you and Kallend just say Ditto instead of Bush Bashing? Besides, I have like 20 different topics he has played both sides on...I have been doing my research so far I have just used the biggies. I have ones on Gay marriage I have not used yet...all kinds of good stuff. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ok so we agree he is an ass. Not for him...He is one of the biggest hypocrites I can think of. It's just par for the course with Kerry. Im Against the 1st gulf war....Then I totally support the Pres. I'm For the patriot act....The patriot act is a bad thing. I could go on...In fact when I get home I will post a bunch of Kerry switching sides stories. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

From your own link: And notice he is not saying its not what he said.... He is ssaying he will not tell him who told him that...Why keep secret something that is not true? Face it..He said it. Otherwise why not just say its not true...Especially if the reported was "wrong". He verified it by not discrediting it. Instead he went to "secret route". He said it....Just like gore invented the internet. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The walk is April 24th....I have rasied a good bit around 250.00 as it stands right now. Im laying low a bit...Then I'll start hounding folks again. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh good point...why would he not just deny it if it were not true? Why would he say he just can't tell? Sounds like BS to me. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, but you guys say all the time that Bush lied without proof. So all I asked was for proof. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The #2 engine threw a blade...It cut the lines, and they bled out. However, you still could not have gotten out. The hull integrity was good and the plane was still presurized. Trying to get out would not only be fatal for you...There is not a good exit position on a DC-10. But any attempt to exit would cause a serious problem for the people left on board... So you would be dead, and you might have killed them all. For the record, many companies loaded that same problem into a sim....And as for as I recall, not one other person was ever able to even get that DC10 close to the airport...much less just land short. That was some damn good flying. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334