Ron

What about the old rainbow colored rigs and jumpsuits? I know a few gay jumpers... But like others have said skydiving is just like real life. There is a mix of different types of people in everything. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Uh heaven...you don't exist....That explains tons about your logic. As for who can dictate.... You shoud do some checking. Berger was found guilty of destorying intel, and was Clintons former NSA..... He removed copies of a memo on the millennium 2000 terror plot authored by terrorism expert Richard Clarke. The document is classified and at this level it has to be carried in a case handcuffed to the persons wrist. Berger stuffed the five copies in his coat jacket and secreted them out of the archives. He proceeded to destroy three of them by cutting them to pieces with scissors. He later said they were taken by accidnet, and he also destroyed them by accident. Yeah, he can't do anything... And Gore was Vice President for 8 years....Yeah he has no ability either. Like I said before and you failed to comment on...You have some PROOF? Please submit it to the Congress to start impeachment....If not........Oh nevermind. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Berger and Gore could not influence the anayalsis? Uh hello? This is the earth calling. If you have proof that he was criminal...Please provide it. A memo written by a britt saying his opinion is not "proof". "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

A memo from a BRITISH source. Guess what? I could find all kinds of memos from all kinds of sources that say whatever I want them to say if I look hard enough. What about the Feith memo? It said that Iraq had ties to Al Queda AND that Iraq had WMD's....Do you discount that memo but hold this one in high reguard? Selective intel gathering on your part? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Maybe they looked at the intel and thought the same way? And if he single handedly saved a bus load of nuns from a burning bus....You would bitch about him not respecting the seperation of Church and State. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Nope, don't care really. But I'd like to have some admit that they have double standards when they support BET or Jet, but claim that others are racist. MTV plays more rap than rock. It has "Cribs" ect....Not white TV. VH1....I might grant you that one. But on its home page it has "Ciara" and "Lizz Wright"...Both are black. In news it has Michael Jackson listed twice, and Destany's Child....So much for ALL white. I didn't see ONE white listed on BET. TNN...Thats now Spike right? Well on their home page...guess what? NBA rookies..and guess what? All four listed are black....Try again. TBS...Cosby show and Steve Harvey. Does BET have any shows hosted by a white guy? ABC...Show the NBA finals...guess what color the players they have on the ad are? Also has My wife and kids...A show about a family...Guess what color? Does BET have a show about a white family? NBC...Could not find a show staring blacks...Ya got me there. Its white TV. It does have a back CO-Star on Scrubs....And some on Law and order. CBS...CSI has Warren Brown....He is a pretty good actor. So to prove that BET is like all these, you just need to show me a show that starts a black family, a white talkl show host, and some whites as co stars. So you still claim BET is not racist? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

FedEx has the same program. Maybe, maybe not. There are some serious safety and security concerns. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I guess Gore, Kerry, Berger, the UN all wanted war with Saddam as well? Then don't. WOW Kerry, the UN Berger and Gore all supported "Bush's war"? Go fish. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well there was other intel...Like the Feith memo...try reading it. Well its clear you only have read a few things that bash the President, and didn't bother to check that the UN also thought Saddam had WMD, Oh, and almost the entire US congress.... Including Kerry, Burger, and Gore: So I guess Bush is to blame for Kerry, Gore, Burger, the UN ect all thinking Saddam had them. It is easy to play know it all after the chips have fallen. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK now get the UN to buy into that and I'll let Hans inspect my own little piece of earth to prove I don't. As this memo indicates...You put way to much faith in this memo. Why don't you put the same faith in the Feith memo? So the memo that bashes Bush is correct, but the memo that supports Bush is wrong? Nice try, but if you would actually READ things you would see that I blamed everyone INCLUDING Bush and Bush 1, and the UN for not doing their job... Like I said, try reading it twice, commenting once. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Same thing to you Bill. You ignore that there was intel that said he had WMD. I have already said it. You don't pay attention. You never even thought the intel could be right. Who has the open mind? More an more people are getting sick of BEING in a war. Thats normal. Happens in every war. The population rallies behind the troops at first, then after a few years they get tired of the constant bad news...They slowly turn. (Need I mention that in the mid 60's people thought military service was a good thing and that all future leaders needed to serve....In the late 60's it changed, and in the 70's it was evil). Normal cycle. I think that a few years from now you will still never admit that there was intel, and that Saddam did have the desire. You will ignore that he killed his own people with WMD. Hell you will try and put Saddam up for a Nobel peace prize. So you can quote me later: "The intel on Iraq was wrong. Bush and the intel communities screwed up". Of course I think that just adds to the UN being a fuckup, Clinton not dealing with the problem, Bush 1 not doing the job, and Saddam himself for being an ass. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

There was intel....It has been shown wrong. Bad intel happens. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh,thats why no one guards me Sometimes that is the only way stuff gets delt with. He who is without sin......every parent has issues. SWEET....is she hot? I have heard about them. The fact he moved up is what I like about him. He is not perfect, he made mistakes but he did OK, and tries to do good with what he has. Dude its in their charter...BLACK Entertainment Television. The demographics are black males 18-35. The simple fact is that BET is racist. It is an organization created for one segment of the population. Now they don't disallow white viewers...But the simple truth is that a white only channel would catch grief. I still don't see why its OK for blacks, not OK for whites. (I know you say you don't care, but the truth is all hell would break loose) "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Better than nothing, but not that good. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

They have it.....You just can't use it BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

That does not mean it has not happend before, or will not happen again. I doubt many people who get broken in this sport CHOSE to break themselves...More often than not they make a choice and it turns out to be a bad one. Training people to handle the potential bad outcomes in a controled environment is the trick. A night jump under good conditions is a good way to push the limits, and learn how to handle a less than ideal situation. Thats why I tried to define "Accidental" as to mean you left and it was dark, but you didn't plan on doing a night jump. If you didn't plan it, it is an accident. Just as people plan on hook turning, they don't pan on breaking their femur, but still do. People jump and end up landing by "accident" when it is dark. when a person hook turns do they plan on breaking their leg? I doubt it, it sometimes happens. Both are just bad judgement. This sport is FULL of people that cave to peer pressure. If they all did something else there would be very few jumpers. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Does not explain why it is OK for Blacks to have BET, but whites would be called racist. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, Im short, white, have no game, and the only jumping I do requires a rig. At an event about "brown v BOE" I think it was a pretty good place. So a golf club that only catered to whites would be OK? Or a club that only wanted whites as members? I don't think so, and most people would be up in arms over WET. I said I would watch it, but I don't have cable...Feel free to tape it, and I will watch it. Again, Black Colleges, and Black shows. Notice there are no white colleges? Yo don't think PUSH would be all over WET? And what I am saying is that blacks said "You already have WET, so I want BET". It works both ways. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Really? Did you not read just two posts up? Fact of the matter is people have left in dark conditions that they didn't plan on. Read above again. Also notice that 107 (69%) have said they have been on an accidental night jump. Also peer preasure is a muther fucker. I have seen people do some stupid shit they knew better than to do, but did it to stay cool. I think there are plenty of better things to train for (I personally would like to see manditory cutaways as required training at some point). I think people should be able to pack and spot. But 69% of people have said they have left a plane and it be darker than they planned. Done properly a night jump is not dangerous. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ah, yes. Because if you oppose them you are a "Racist". So most just ignore them. I am surprized that more in the black community are not telling them to shut up. Have you noticed that is not on the news? And how some bashed Cosby for speaking his mind? Or, I offered that Cosby's comments "betray classist, elitist viewpoints rooted in generational warfare," that he was "ill-informed on the critical and complex issues that shape people's lives," and that his words only "reinforce suspicions about black humanity." Before he is finished, Cosby beats up on the black poor for their horrible education, their style of dress, the names they give their children, their backward speech and their consumptive habits. As a cruel coda, Cosby even suggests to the black poor that "God is tired of you."--From the book, Is Bill Cosby Right?, by Michael Eric Dyson We are talking about groups. The sports teams are groups, that seem to be important enough that some demand that they play the game they want theem to play by. Also, the military example works just fine. you have one group of people promoting themselves and saying how they are better. BLACK entertainment Television? From BET.com "Find headline and music news, explore articles on health and lifestyle, and check out sections for African American women and professionals" Shows like "Black College Football" where only black teams play. The "Cousin Jeff Chronicals" Can you name ONE show on BET that is aimed at whites? You are wrong, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton the NAACP all would be up in arms. It would be called "Racist". You claim its not all about blacks, but then you say it is to "highlight the accomplishments and achievements of Black people." Which is it? If it is only there to "highlight the accomplishments and achievements of Black people."...Then it is discriminatory and racist. You mean how blacks have BET and JET? Or is it only OK for Blacks to have these things? How is that not racist? YOU maybe, but there would be a big stink about it from several other blacks. Well there is no need for it....But that does not mean that people would not rasie a stink about it. BTW I don't even have cable. But "The 'N' Word" I would actually watch...anyone wanna tape it and send it to me? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You never answer the question....If WET came out would you consider it racist? Also, does that mean that one day BET, and Jet will close down? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh I'll go first. I find it funny that this memo is taken as absolute, while the left continues to admit that there was intel that stated the very things that have been bashed on here forever. You only accept the intel that supports your view. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Racism exists. But it is not physical, it is an attitude. Attitude is all in a persons mind. Do you think that supporting one variation of racism (black to white) will make another (white to black) go away? Are you saying that the foundation of the US is bad? Seems pretty good to me...Although I will admit that it was not PRACTICED like it was written. They tried to explain it better in 1865 Some people are just stupid, so they had to state it even better in 1870 Still yes it took years for people to accept it...Some still have not. But encouraging one form of racism, will not make another dissapear. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, it will not make things EQUAL. Giving special will never be equal....EVER, its impossible. What about the racist black person who would never hire a white guy? Or the racist whhite guy that would never hire a jew, or a catholic? or a guy that was not from his home town, or the guy that didn't liek football, or...well you get my point. Giving special treatment to ONE group does not make racism go away. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

How is AA equal? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334