Ron

Well, I'm conservative and he is liberal. So I guess I have to BE conservative. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh so you can't count the ones you don't want to count...I see it is simple. Like it or not it was a major attack on the US on its soil. And it was under Clinton..So much for your theory. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And my point is THAT group has to make the change. It does no good if I go to the Terroists and tell them to stop being assholes. If THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS tell them, thats different. If I say it they will claim I "don't know", or am a "puppet of the jews". If their family and friends turn them in, it sa different story. The change HAS to come from the group, not outside. Did I say they were? But please list the terrorist attacks by Christians or Jews. Until the group turns on them....There is no hope of anything else working. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Wheres his warning? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1751429#1751429 "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I guess you didn't bother to click on the links huh? The City thinks it was the reason, I think they would know.... Still waiting for you to provide proof of a city that passed a law like that and crime went up. Go ahead. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yep. I wonder if you are so brave? Aw, I like living in a trailer on a DZ and making a ton of jumps a year, learning to fly a helicopter, and saving and investing while going to school full time. I like my life thanks. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh geeze. I guess you can't read facts huh? OK now your turn to provide proof. Show me some. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And how many times have you heard eveything is not black and white? You have to know the situation to know the reall deal. It would also be true. I have never been religous, and dirt poor at the same time. Quote "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Actually I asked him to look into something since he does not believe anything I say. I fiqured if he read it for him self from a site he choose, he might learn somehting instead of just ignoring anything I type....I bet he does not even bother to go to the links I provide, or bother to do anything other than claim BS even before he reads it. Honey, I don't make them look stupid, they do that all by themselves. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Ah but you miss: * 1993: The first World Trade Center bombing * 1995: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - A car bomb explodes outside of a US Military HQ, killing 5. * 1996: Dhahran, Saudi Arabia - A truck bomb explodes outside of the Khobar Towers complex, killing 19 Americans and injuring hundreds of others. * 1998: Almost simultanious explosion outside of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Death toll: 254. * 2000: The USS Cole. Seventeen killed. Every single attack listed before GWB was even elected to the office of President, much less sworn in. Hell, looking at the numbers it looks like every single one of those attacks happened on Clinton's watch. Go fish Bill. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Still not willing to admit you are wrong huh? Typical for you. How about I do some homework for you since you are inept or lazy. Source: City of Kennesaw POLICE department http://www.kennesaw-ga.gov/index.asp?NID=137 Do try to do your homework. God thats gotta sting being made to look stupid like that....Or are you STILL gonna claim there is no connection? (I'm betting on this to be honest...Don't know what else I can do...I mean you were to lazy to even do the work, I handed it to you from a reliable source.....I can't make a guy be smart enough to read and comprehend it). "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

1982, Reworked in 1986. Yep wanna guess WHEN? And as for if it worked: Source: http://www.kennesaw.ga.us/index.asp?NID=36 Now you wanna do your own homework? Or you want me to do it for you? I already learned about this, maybe you should do your own homework? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Lets see law was not passed, had high crime rates. Law got passed, crime dropped. Pretty simple if you ask me. But why don't you for once actually look into something before you claim its bullshit. You might learn something. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No that is my point...It takes the very people inside the group to step up and end it. It does not matter what group, but it REQUIRES THAT GROUP to say "enough is enough, stop!" In this case it is Muslims and to be honest that group seems to be the biggest threat right now. If the KKK had just killed 100 blacks I would say the same damn thing about them. Members of that group need to sack up and end it...It is the ONLY WAY it will happen. Like it or not it IS sectrarian...These guys didn't blow up these people to protest, green peace, NAFTA, the Queen or bangers and mash. They did it for RELIGION. Therefore it wil take others of the same religion to tell them to stop to make it work. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Really? Johnrich: But a good question was WHY WAS THE GUY RUNNING? I mean lets be real here. You are following a guy that you think is a terrorist that was involved with killing people just a few weeks ago, and just tried the other day. He runs from you ONTO a subway car....He you think could be a guy trying to blow up the subway. He does not stop when you say "Stop, Police!" What would you think? Be honest. Is it worth it to maybe let this guy you think has a bomb onto a subway where he could kill those onboard? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

By not raising public support to the level that people will inform the police about these nutbags. People on here have blamed the Americans that supported the IRA...Guess what? They were right to do that. Until the really innocent make it so hard for the nutjobs to do bad things...They are not doing enough. The only way this will end is when the group (Muslim, Christian, Irish....whatever) get so sick of them looking bad due to these assholes that they say "STOP IT!!!" And yes the group that does nothing is quilty of doing nothing. Not met, but "knew" him. I Meant ALL MUSLIMS. Until ALL Muslims stand up against thes nutjobs people will support them. This is the same for ANY group of nutjobs...Race, religion is not important. The only way to end them is for the very group they claim to defend or represent to turn on them. How much do you think a guy would be willing to do if everyone he knew thought the whole idea was stupid? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Perfect reason why nothing is being done. People just like you. Bombing civilians in Iraq was during the course of a WAR and it was done by UNIFORMED TROOPS and cilvilian targets were not the objective. Please don't let the facts confuse you. Just keep defending the terrorists like you always do. How many resolutions has the UN said they would go force Israel to comply, how many? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It had several things good in it. this quote for one: It is VERY hard to be a nice guy when a person could just pop out of the crowd and kill you. They are dressed the same, look the same, and act the same....Till they kill you. Not an easy situation. Also, : He was found not guilty of the shooting. He ordered two prisoners to search the car they were driving that was seen leaving a building that was being taken down as a building with a large stash of weapons in there. The two prisoners quit talking english and started wispering in Arabic. Pantano order them to be quiet, but they kept talking. Pantano told them to stop in both English and Arabic. Finnaly BOTH MEN TURNED AND STARTED TO MOVE TOWARDS Pantano AT THE SAME TIME. He told them to stop in both English an Arabic...Finally he fired. He did fire way to many rounds. He was charged for the sign, not the shooting. Hanging the sign was stupid...Do you know what the sign said? "No better friend, no worse enemy". It was the slogan of his task force. It meant that if you were good guys, the US was your best friend, and if you were a terroist the US was your wost enemy. This is an OLD method. Political correctness does not allow it anymore, but it does work. Anyone know of the sniper in Nam that wore a white feather? Carlos Hathcock. And he was a very feared man by the VC with quite a bounty on his head. The relevance is that people are being punished...Maybe not to the standards some want, but very few who are bitching understand the environment. You cannot compare a punsihment for someone killing someone by accident or negligance in a war zone to the same crime done in NY, London, or Berlin. Is it wrong? Yes. But it would be insane to punish them the same. Better to just put bullets in your own troops heads than hobble them to the point that they are nothing more than targets. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Well thank god people don't have to check with you first. What about the guy that has to stand guard over the guy trying to build a hospital? If he has a gun is he a bad guy in your eyes? Should he just leave and let the nutjobs kill the guys trying to rebuild the country? they don't go into a situation planning on making a mistake....They go to do a job and for the money. One Contract job I saw was for 120,00 a YEAR. Thats tax free and enough that after one year I could have bought a house almost CASH. The job was not to "Kill innocent civilians". It was to provide security for builders. That is nothing more than a way of saying they would rather face a judge than be dead...I very much doubt you would rather be dead than risk breaking a law. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Whats riduculous is how you claim to hate these nutbags but protect them. If these nutjobs found that they no longer had support from the community most would stop. However as it stands now there is a sizeable segment that encourage and even support them. Until that changes these nutjobs will continue to do what they do. No, it only takes ONE person to turn in a nutjob. and you can't really think NOONE knew what these guys were doing. Someone knew and they encouraged or just sat back thinking it is someone elses problem. That kind of attitude needs to go away, but people like you will not take responsibility and would rather do nothing. Doing nothing is easy, but it will not get anything done. If I knew one I would turn them in. Would you do the same? Or would you just do nothing? Way to many people do nothing or even help. You want a Jihad? How about you call a jihad against the nutjobs in your own religion and do something about it? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Check a place like Kennesaw GA...Tell me why have crime rates gone DOWN there after they passed the law requiring all head of households to have a gun and ammo? Go ahead, take your best shot. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Someone knew. They kept quite. It is impossible to keep a secret from EVERYONE. Parents knew they were extreme. Part of the problem is just like racists here in the states that the children get a good deal of it from their parents in most cases. Sure I can, watch. Muslims of Leeds (and Muslims world wide), you failed and it cost lives. Remove your head from the sand and police your own if you want the violence to stop. Just like when a wacko Chritsian goes nuts, someone failed to stop them. Many times it is a family member. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Funny you should ask. Just today the UN is planning on defining "terrorism" and releasing a statement. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Why is Zhills not listed in the Pub as the record? It was a two point 26 way, but a 15-way (2 pts): Perris Valley Skydiving - 25 May 2003 shows as the last one....Whats up with that? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have heard of it. They are not open all the time, and have a very weird schedule. I have tried to go there, but they wer closed on the days I wanted to go....They sometimes do beach jumps in SRQ. Located out of Wauchula. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334