Ron

Maybe the best quote EVER. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

think about it this way: You have a mal, you grab the handles, you pull the cutaway, You have a canopy before you can even pull the reserve....So you smile. Thats what I think it meant. Bill would NEVER tell someone not to pull the reserve handle as part of an EP even with a skyhook....But if you have a canopy already over your head, what are you gonna do? Smile "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

YOU are applying your own reasoning to the amendment, not me. It is written quite clearly. And it seems to be easy for you to suggest that something is different just because you wish it.....Thats called Petter Pan syndrome. I have read books on the subject, but since those books don't agree with you you must think they were wrong. Case in point: "Could they have worded that better? Yes." So I see, they worded the Constitution wrong....I guess there is no way YOU just interpreted it wrong? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"Answer the Question" "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And you STILL refuse to admit that most drug offenders in prison have commited other crimes. The law is the law. If a person breaks it once and then does not break it again they should not be punished as much as the habitual offender. Thats simple to understand. The country has decided that joints are illegal. So YOUR country said that they are illegal. THAT IS A FREE COUNTRY. "Free" does not mean do as you damn well please". Non-sequitor to this discussion. It does not matter what the drug does. It only matters that a majority have decided that it is illegal. Again it does not matter what the drug does...It only matters that it is illegal. You migth as well argue that its OK to have sex with minors as long as they don't mind. And you STILL manage to be Fred Astair and avoid answering a simple question....Tell ya what, until you answer that simple question...don't bother to respond to me...The only responce FROM me will be "Answer the Question" "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

See you guys amaze me...You will fight for every right but the second. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You are the one that wants to have ground rules other than the Constitution. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Feel free, expect to get arrested or shot. The second does not say anyhting about property rights. The first says who will not (The Government). The Second simply says that the RIGHT will not be infringed. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Right here: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sure, and I have the right to blast you when I tell you to leave and you don't. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, you almost have it....When you admit that whites are not out to get the blacks...Then we might have something...But you seem to play the race card all the time. And so do you. You claim that the whites are out to get the blacks....Thats also racism. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Wrong the bill of rights says what rights the people have. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So, the Constitution only applies in certain situations? I guess an apartment complex could outlaw guns, or maybe a home owners association? Would you be OK with that? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh I agree that first looks can be wrong, and I even agree that without further info a good conclusion can not be made. However, once you have enough good info, all that happens after that is just solidifying a position. A skydiver who bounces in most cases did in fact screw up. The reasons are important in some cases, but in many just knowing you have to pay attention and not get lazy will save lives. Violent crime is more likely to be reported and REPORTS are going to draw more attention. So how many reports of crime do you think there are in Hollywood Hills vs Compton? The area that has more reports will have more arrests. If that area is largely one race, then that one race will have more arrests and there will be more of that race in prison. THAT was my point. Instead of thinking it was a conspiricy to get the black man, I can see how more crimes are reported in some communities over others. Hey I dont care who smokes what, but I do care about violent crime. BTW the issue here is Bennet and his stupid remark...Which I have already said was stupid of him. ALL evidence is potentailly skewed. We all look at things in our own frame of reference. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Read it yourself It says "shall not be infringed" it does not say "shall not be infringed by the government." "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No what he (and you) are saying is that "The Man" is after blacks and that is the only reason that there are more blacks in prison than whites. Everyone seems to ignore that the reason might just be that one race commits more crimes. The reason could be a combination of social and economic reasons....But you guys would rather just claim its a big conspiracy and lable anyone that does not agree as racist. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

And one is a right given in the Constitution, and the other is not protected. I find it funny that Liberals fight like hell to defend all the Amendments but the 2nd. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I didn't create it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor Although it seems true on most parts. And by drilling down to the root cause...If it was a low turn it might be aiming for a gate, uncurrent ect. But in both those cases the jumper STILL messed up. While you may not like that answer and it can be more detailed, it is correct to say the jumper messed up. Simple the users in Compton are more likely to be commiting more than one crime. The Hollywood Hills folks are most likely only doing the drugs. Drugs alone is not the most common reason people get arrested. They are normally doing something else illegal and that draws the attention to them. There is more to this than either simple statment. However we have evidence that blacks commit more violent crimes. Now that evidence may be skewed, but it is certainly better than just assuming that the "Man" is out to get them. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You are a master of redirect... But watch how easy this is.... Given the choice between the two, I would call 911. See I actually answered your question, not avoided it. An example of an avoidance response would be, "I'd call Pizza Hut and have pizza brought out for all my friends on me." "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Rich already produced such evidence. You are the one refusing to read it. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sure follow along its easy... 1. I asked an A or B question 2. you answered with a "C". You gave an explanation, but that does not change the fact I gave two choices and you answered with a third....Thats called avoiding the question. See how easy it is? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Oh no, but to claim that only blacks are wrongly arrested is frankly nuts. The simplest answer is often the correct one...More blacks are in prison since they commit more crimes and more get caught since they commit more crimes....Therfore more will go to prison. Now you could claim they had no choice since the "Man" kept them down...But that is also mostly BS and not the subject of this conversation. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Sure you are avoiding the question. It was quite a simple question. YOU are free to choose not to answer it to prevent proving a point, but don't claim to not be avoiding it when you clearly are. The simple fact is many of those who you claim were wrong were quite simply guilty of prior offenses. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Answer the question, not dodge it. Would you feel the same way if your company said you could not skydive if you wanted to work there? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

You would be wrong. Everyone who is last bitches about who is first. When Zhills put the FF out first the RW folks bitched...Now that the RW goes first the FF bitch. A curved jump run can be done safely....However the best thing to do is know how to spot and the first group gets out a little short, the last a little long. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334