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all i know "for sure" is that SDH get's it first! Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

hey dz dot comers, don't miss "King Of The Hill" tonight. hank and peggy go sky diving!

i done went and go all skered! Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

this is most unfortunate. but if you raise enough hell, they'll call it a day!

**Yes I can....I own lots of guns......** Clay: what kind of guns do you have, and where do you keep them? and last but not least, where do you live? Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

**"Inadequate" my ass................My boobies are nice and firm......** Cyndi: would ya mind if i gave you a second opinion on that? of course i'd have to fondle them first...but ever so gently! J/K Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

it's fun, i guess. i've made 3 bungee jumps, but freefall lasts just 2 seconds compared to jumping....no contest!

**UUUmmmmm......where's the video?** viola! no video, it never happned! Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

clay, as many posts as you have, i'm surprised you haven't conned HH out of a residual! Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

a little anti-freeze mixed in with the alpo works wonders! no joke, graveyad dead.

**and experienced jumpers who glance down and realise they've got a bad spot......** you took the words right out of my mouth!

**FreeFliers first is an accident waiting to happen.** there are pros and cons to both sides of this issue. why do we really release rw divers first? answer: because we've always done it that way. ask around, talk to some free fliers, they'll probably tell you they have, on more than one occasion caught up to a 4 way, or 8 way at one time or another. freefliers, especially "headdown fliers" don't look beneath themselfs while in freefall, to do so would cause the chin to be presented to the relative wind, and at a high speed, this action will arch you out of your poise. now factor in a "big way vrw" group, after a load of "big way" rw group, who's going to catch who? at break-off, everybody "turns and burns" and we disscussed "barrel rolling" at break-off here a couple of days ago. anywho, all this b.s. is strictly my opinion, not all gospel. but, having said all of that, it's a issue that needs addressing, and i know how to fix it, but the dz's and pilots won't go for it anyway, but it's fairly simple, just do another jump run, and two releases, i know, i'm full of it, and crazy, and this is one of those things that ain't never going to happen, so we'll just have to deal with the situation the way it is, as safely as we can. Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

it totally depends on the service.

i'll second that question, WTF is a raheem? Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

**You can stand up and say this isn't right, but I'll lay odds that no one will stand up with you, then you out of the group or banned from the DZ.** this is "sad, but true" but one things for sure, there are those of us that will walk through the depths of hell for an individual with the integrity to stand up for what is right. somewhere, somehow we've got to "draw the line" at such retaliation, it's this sort of nonsense that keeps a lot of unplanned events from being reported, but we must keep a positive attitude, and one things for sure, at the end of the day, we all have to sleep well. Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

sorry bro, couldn't resists! Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

hixx: sounds like fun, but i'm in texas, but we have a casa coming in june!

congrats bro! Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

**To be exact I have jumped a 149,139,129,119,109,and a 99.** damn homey, do you have a brother-in-law that works there? J/K

**Sorry for the rant** Hook: not a rant, but some valuable ideas which could be utilized to "keep everybody on they're toes"

**Well said folks, good thread, and thanks.** with attitudes like this, we're on our way to achieving our objective, forming the first "link" of safety has begun, now let's continue our efforts! i worked for a drilling contractor once who's safety motto was "safety is NO ACCIDENTS" this is an achievable goal, as long as we utilize "zero tolerance" Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

hey daddyio, when "the cats away, the rats will play!" har har har! Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

i don't think i'll be eating anything that's looking back at me!

most of the ones i've seen constructed run north-south with the runway and are 300' long, by 6' wide by 4' in depth. as far as filling it up initially, i'd let the rain do it for me, or use a water hose. drilling a water well costs upwards of 4K-5K with gravel pack, electric submersible pump, compression chamber, etc..(unless you have a brother-in-law in the water well drilling business) a back hoe and a couple of days will do. Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"

**The question is: "How are you going to get involved to make a difference?"** Chris: good question, one i anticipated coming up when i posted this. i always try to posts, and then see who is thinking. you are, there's the first step in "breaking the chain" i think the incentive for all of us to join forces, and work towards our ultimate goal of "zero tolerance" will be key in this quest. i've been chastised on several different occasions for bringing several things to light, and others as well. at first, it made me stop doing it, but finally, i couldn't "turn a blind eye" any longer. i don't hang out at the DZ after the sunset load and visit, so i'm not running any popularity contests, so i have a bit of an edge here. i also think more safety and training days are in order. having a load organizer load the plane in the sequence of exit, we generally disscuss this upon boarding the jumpship, and talk about deployment altitudes on the ride up. i'd like to see a designated S&TA on the ground observing the landings, deployments, tracks etc...there generally is no set flight landing pattern, (left-right) "link" one, i've seen several close calls because of this one. i think it's going to be up to us to "police" ourselves, before the decision is made that someone else governs it for us. thanks for the response, good one. Richard "Gravity Is My Friend"