juanesky

Tracy, I think you don't get the point. If you are going to post something like you did, then you will need to demonstrate sufficient facts, not hearsay vague facts-rumors. For someone to be aware.. No one is exempt from trolling (mind you), it was just the way your first post came about. BUt if you are trying to imply that US is seeking to curtail the freedom of the press in a presidential election, and try to make us worry about this, you will need a little more to go on. Blue skies. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

If you want to get a canopy control class, first place to llok would be your DZ. THen go for the publications, and find when and where the canopy classes will take place. Some DZ's have staff readily available for this type of instruction, IE Cross-keys. You need to find out if one near your area is like that. Don't worry about downsizing yet, try to talk to your instructors and see the possibility of working with them a progression 210, 190....170. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

It really doesn't. You stated that they were refused entry, where, embassy, at an airport, while procuring a visa?. You were to fly with them? where you actually with them when ths authorities denied them entry?. If you look suspicious, and seem to be here to work, without proper authorization, it will be most likely you will be denied entry. Also to note would be interesting to know the nationalities of those involved. If you are trying to make us aware that is something is wrong about US denying freedom of press, you will need to be a little more concise in the details that support this claim. IMHO. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

I understand your frustration Ian. However I don't buy that someone just for having a camera crew is forbidden to enter the US with proper visa-waiver. There has to be more explanation as to what happened. I agree with Quade with the belief of US will not forbid anyone from freedom of the press. Maybe the journalists in question were from aljhazeera, and had less than clear backgrounds? "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Umm, interesting troll, no facts to be found... "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Well, as others have stated, I find kind of amusing that you rather believe that "wikipedia" has the definition right, that you consider all 10K Iraqi deaths "innocent" as blanket statement, have no experience in military operations, training, yet when not reading throughly, once again, you you also miss a bit of info relevant to this case. ROE's do not enforce torture, the UCMJ and laws of the land forbid the soldier to commit that type of punishment. Dick Cheney is not the CIC. Marines are not US ARMY, neither the US airforce. You are just realizing that this war AL QAEDA started a long ago, is religous, and maybe someday you will acquire some foresight to understand that their intentions is to change the world as we know it.(mind you, that phrase is not property of anyone). Yep, it is sickening to even think some people in the world don't consider a threat. As a student of psychology, I would expect that you would have more coherent unbiased comments, instead of just making trolls, just because you don't like the US. All that writing and the only thing you want me to change is a sarcastic comment of a dish?? With you everything is already "proved" without evidence, just a few edited footage will suffice, you even think it is the same thing speaking of a food that is not supposed to have pork made as a sarcasm, where the offended parties (you and muslim radicals) just hade to be upset about what they eat, and level it with people jumping of the twin towers, in desperation and seeking a better alternative to die a less painful death as the same thing. Apples with apples please. A real psychologist would try to calm people down, not irate them with uneducated guesses passed as "facts". So guess who is even more dissapointed? Where also a while back you saw a victime of pedophilia, and stated "he tasted forbidden heaven" or somehting along those lines. So it is ok if the victim is male but not ok if it a female? I know I won't change you, it is not what I intend, my intention is to dispell ignorant false facts with actual ones. Most of us changed after Sept 11. We won't be able to change back to being our naive selves in a long while. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

I grant you that this is your first post that have made sense. That is exactly one of the issues. Everywhere you look, it seems that all are innocent. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

I find it in poor taste that something as serious as current world events makes you laugh. Good for you. You seem very confused as to what ROE is and what UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) is. ROE does not make mention of tortures and are dictated whenever there is a chance of facing fire. UCMJ actually indicates the articles which that offense (torture) is punishable by the US member incurring in it. I did not see those people involved (at least the ones in the pics) to get off the punishment bandwagon, they are actually facing indictments. It speaks volumes to me that this is not a thing that will be tolerated by us. You assume that there are no arms placed in the suburb, it was demonstrated they were. Fliers were sent aksing people to evacuate, ignoring the fact that the arms development have incurred in great cost developing smart weapons. Guess what, their intended use is to actually inflict the least possible collateral damage. Instead of demonstrating a specific situation, with all variables included IE the wedding , at a curfew and war zone, at night, in direct violation of this curfew, clearly goes against all common sense. Unless is not that common to you or the said victims. I'm giving you a clear specific explanation to what personal experience in training has given me as to why some collateral damage occur, yet you post a blanket statement (refer to quote above) that most take as troll and inciting a very disrespectful point of view. If you read my post throughly, you will find that nowhere I stated your post was stupid. Paella, just like fried rice and most international food, have variances, if you just travel to some other places you will see that they sometimes include local ingredients, yet, I know what a real paella has. Still it is funny to see how my sarcasm about it just flew by you. As for the 10K innocent victims, of course, once you are dead and take the weapon from your hand and take a pic, then you are innocent. I find it very hard to believe that only Iraqi innocents have been killed in the conflict. Yes there were many fuck ups, US forces shooting at vehicles fastly approaching towards them, were shot at, and had only civilians, but then there were other IRAQI tactics where they shield with civilians, use ambulance as bombs, etc, that you also fail to include in a distorted and flaming troll (refer to your quote once more, pretty please with sugar on the top). According to the press, there are also new terrorist attacks, one that involved alqaeda, Russia (someone opposed to the IRAQI war), and chechnya. I would not be surprised if you find this laughable as well, or if you don't see they will seek anihiliation of the world as we know it. As far as my credentials go: Tte (ret) Fza aerea Venezolana, tecnico aeronautico, Licensiado en contaduria publica, reg en Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela. Master en Finanzas. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

clicky "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

I have the same issue some times(about other languages), But certainly find out most of the time, ,you simply don't understand. If you go a little futher and click on the link, and then read who I wrote too, then you'll get the idea. Is not that complicated. Just link....(speaking slowly and clearly) Venezuela-Cacerolazo-PhillyKev comments about pots and pans...... I'll pray you are able to understand. It seems you will need to add spanish to your dictionaries. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

I'll second that. Whatever happened to PK with his pots and pans solidarity movement over there? "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

It has everything to do with being correct. You feel through your research and study that Kerry will win. I have been trying to tell you for the last month or two he has no chance. Then Kallend can call one of you a liar or tell you your research must have been incompetent. And not answer to a direct, simple question, with a direct answer but with some bush is lying quotes. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Nah, set them criminals/terrorists free ala Munich 72'.... "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Once again you are off topic and trying to deviate from the purpose of this thread, as well as understanding an explanation that is obvious to even the most "mentally challenged" person. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

In the end still your lack understanding and perception of the ACTUAL subject at hand, one that is obvious to most living in this planet... "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Stupid me for even considering you would have foresight and "education" to what is a clear fact for most around the globe.... They=islamic extremist Their=see above. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Yes, indeed, the education they are receiving at home to become suicide bombers is the top of the line. AKA "their Harvard-MIT" education. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Of that 10K you are assuming are all innocent bystanders, as well as many that have been killed by own Iraqi/terrorist forces. The ones that are accidental are the civilian casualties. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Apparently he has not understood (besides a wide range of other things) what is the ROE, in the US forces. The laws that is expected of servicemen to follow, etc. It is easier to spew around just like Kerry did 30+ years ago, that we are just a bunch of murderers of innocent victims around the world. As you can see, you responded why you thought his comment was just plain stupid, like most coming from that direction, he escapes facts and plants his personal vindictive hatred as the "truth". It seems also that my sarcasm about the paella, also flew by him.......yet he just fell short of saying something along the lines of "your mother"..... It is funny to see how he trolls and entices flaming, and then goes about crying personal attack! I don't deserve this!!!!. Funny of how some people are. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Yep and don't forget, in Iraq, US forces have only killed pure and innocent civilians, except for 1 or just a handful "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

The signing of the State Treaty in 1955 ended Allied occupation of Austria and any immediate danger of communist dictatorship and/or partition. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

wow and how many years studying phsychology help you to reach this uneducated guess? 3-4? Yes, I guess the Puerta de Atocha bombings was just a little protest for the pork served in the paella "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

I bang pots and pans together every night at 11:10PM to keep another terror attack from happening. There hasn't been one, so I take full credit. Hey Kev, maybe you should help the cause in Argentina and Venezuela.clicky "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Kerry represents Mass right now; while it'd be hard to say he's done nothing else, that is his primary job. .....whoa, a job he has been absent from. Why doesn't he resign knowing that he has not been able to fulfill his duties as Senator????, Nice perk from someone who is not working isn't it? "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

A mole? I would say you will have to run twice "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon