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Hey Just make sure you do the Hurricane party for us in the NE. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Jerry, How well informed is your SO? It seems that she already knows about your plan, or has mentioned it o you before you even pop the question. Your choices will be different, if she likes gold, I would suggest you get 18Kt gold, the Karats on the Diamond, is not what measures your love, the whole ring is what represents your commitment to her. Blue skies! (and get help) "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Very sad news. My condolences to all those close and who mourn his passing. Vibes and blue skies. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

They don't have anything to do with the mockery of logic you are exhibiting in this thread. For those purposes, I'll cheerfully acknowledge 100% agreement with everyone offering rebuttals to your points.

You just simply are saying right because you say so? What what a rebuff, again Mr/ Professor has yet to explain the German retreat in 1942. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

and then you write: and So what exactly is your point? Either the US saved Europe, or was part of a great alliance that saved Europe. Which is it? My pont is that the major force in allied intervention was shouldered by US Troops ans supplies. not implying like you that soviets and British were defeating and making the Germans retreat by 1942. You will deny to the end the endless supples to the allied during the war years, and not taking this into your accounts and history. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

So you are saying that the Germans were on retreat by 1942?. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Again you are refuting things without clearing yourself. Go ahead and explain in what you don't agree with Kallend. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

While I disagree with Kallend on some things, I'd hardly call him uneducated. At least he understand the difference between fact and fiction. You could use some remedial effort on that, from what I've seen in your posts. Well if you disagree on him, be specific, and point those things out, because it baffles me his account that German were defeated and retreating before 1942. Hmm so much for a "professor" "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

John Kallend is a University professor. So far you are a person not even able to answer one simple question that I have asked you 4, four, times. On top of that you are someone who has made openly racist remarks on this forum. Mmm, that is really pretty simple math. Telling a university professor to get ecucated once again shows the enormous amount of ignorance you seem to embody. If those credentials are from an Iranian university I will have issues on believing, Ans your question has been answered numerous time, you don't need to seek protection from someone else's answer, be your own man. As as far as bigotry goes, I gues being called Nazi Sympthizer is something I should be proud of right? "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

just like you are doing now....Like it or not, you would be speaking GERMAN if not by the US. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Yes, they are known for taking good care of prisoners of war, particulary under Stalin's humanitarian regime, just like the allies did. The Nazis abandoned all plans to invade Britain after losing the Battle of Britain in 1940, more than a year before Pearl Harbor. After 1940 the Nazis never again attempted to invade Britain nor even developed any plans to do so. The Battle of Britain so discredited Goering and the Luftwaffe in Hitler's eyes that the Luftwaffe was never again to be used effectively in the west. And this meant the Germans went back to Germany The British were not surrounded and really an effective force pushed back Nazi Europe occupation. No US troops were in action against Germany until Torch, late in 1942, more than 3 years into WWII. I guess the May 30 Cologne bombing does not count in your account or does pilots dropping bombs on German or occupied German cities not part of US combatants according to your definitions. I guess I missed were the bombing campain from England by the US army Air force that began mid 1942, did not help at all minimizing German capabilities to produce their war gears...Just a hollywood teaching I guess, lets see, Spring is late in the year right? I see that by 1942 also, German retracted in Europe, and guess that little nuissance of Stalingrad ended, then too right? (news for you...it ended in 1943, Feb.? Roight man...*Inhales*.Are you a dope advocate too? The Germans had already been defeated in the Battle of Britain, outside Moscow and were being badly mauled at Stalingrad by the time any US forces saw action in the ETO. Rommel's Afrika Korps was routed by the British at El Alamein just as Torch was getting underway. Well if according to your accounts the battle of britain being freeing Europe, then you are right, if, and this is how I understood it, was the attempt to invade the British Islands, then that is correct. But they still held complete power of their occupied zones. Another little fact that you are not stating, Montgomery took command of allies troops in Africa which I think it included US troops and tanks too, and operation Supercharge (the one that actually broke axis lines) was before Torch (one week before). Stalingrad was seiged by Germans in this year, and the Soviets started teh offensive in Jan 1943. Soviet resistance in Crimea ended in July this year, and November 11, German and Italian troops invade unoccupied Vichy France.....So much for the power of Nazi's being apeaced on that year and by the Russians....Granted the first major defeat of Hitler's army was the one in Stalingrad in Feb 1943. So if you are implying that it was not only after the major allied bombing, then I do not know what kind or wherre have you gotten your information. The entire Italian and most of the Vichy French navies had been put out of action by the British before Pearl Harbor. Please refer to the blue statement just above this parragraph The German surface navy had been mostly destroyed or rendered ineffective before Pearl Harbor. (The Bismarck was sunk on it's first outing, as was the Graf Spee. The Tirpitz never saw any action before being sunk by the RAF. The Gneisenau was destroyed by the RAF, the Scharnhorst was sunk by the British Navy and the Prinz Eugen was effectively blockaded for most of the war by the British). Now for some speculation: The German defeat in WWII was sealed when they delayed the start of Barbarossa in summer 1941, due to the unplanned diversion of German troops to help the Italians in the Balkans. This delay prevented them from taking Moscow before the winter of 1941 and allowed the USSR to regroup and bring to bear its incredible advantage in troop strength, which eventually resulted in the disaster (for the Nazis) at Stalingrad, a loss from which they never recovered. Whatever your rant is about the US signifying the important break in the tide of WWII, you are the one that is obviously blind to the fact that is was the force that untied the Germans, while these were holding the Soviet lines, it was not until 1944 and late 1944 that the Soviets were able to penetrate, mind you that after the Normandy operation took hold. I am not in any way saying it was sole US intervention, but it was by its own one of the great force that took to untie the outbreak of war. (The major mistake by the Axis was not the Soviets but the attack on Pearl Harbor). Granted all the rest of allies made a great contribution, first by the declaration of the United Nations (26 allied nations) and second in recogninzing the threat of global control by the forces of the axis.(or the otherway around) Same for the plan Marshal which was also a success not only for the effort of US contributions, but by each country receiving it and making it work. So if you still want to deny many facts go ahead, you are daydreaming if you think that unfortunately this whole mess of terrorist around the world will solve by peaceful and blodless efforts. They have more than proven their intolerance to any religion, and the ignorance to attack and kill innocent civilians, and cowards to hide between their own and try to blame needless death to the forces that are rooting them out. I'll prefer to sacrifice my life defending the very ideals that your are despising here, and that will include you, and your future, even though you are self absorbed in self rightouness wrongfully focused. Good luck in your endeavors, and if your ass gets blown or someone you care about does indeed die by the acts commited on these people you wholeheartedly defend, then don't come bitching and imploring for people for VIBES or pitty. So long, and good luck educating your self, you need a lot of it. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Not only you are ignorant, but also your distorited notion of history is based on misconceptions. Yo do need to some serious reviews there because if you are just trying to deny that Europe would have been ok after Nazism without US intervention, I guess that you just joined the ranks those ignorants of history. I guess you are insisting that Franco was a Nazi regime, yet, you fail miserably for Franco DID SURVIVE for 35 years in power after Hitler's death, and before that he passed on the govt back to where it was before the whole ordeal. So if you don't realize that my patternal Grand Father was republican, fighting to preserve democracy, then it is your own ignorance that feeds you the notion that I am a Bigot Nazi by breed. I laugh at this, you are just a whinnier who like any other liberals will cry because someone offended you. Your ignorance is offending you at this point, and I just can laugh to think you have no clue how bad you really look talking about things you don't know, but pretend you do.... Go to the library, and please "iluminate" the rest of us if you find a book on Nazi occupation of Spain... The facts are just there in front of you and you can seem to see them. Spain was idependent, with the help of Hitler in the Civil war years, and then Franco offered volunteers of his own troops. Nothing more, nothing less. And the US saved Europe in WWII. As for me, I will just keep being a Nazi Bigot you say I am, and keep preparing for war, maybe one day in the not so distant future, my orders from the Navy will come and actually have the opportunity to get me one of 'em towel heads. So keep day dreaming and thinking that this world's foes are the US, what you should do is take some history classes, and look at what you talk about, if you think knowledgeable about something. It is really interesting that you live in Canada and don't even know French. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

what r u waiting to dd everyone then? "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Stop being culturally insensitive. Didn't you know it's proper to use derogatory comments about people if you're from S. America? Damnit, knew I couldn't help myself. Maybe one day you will venture out of your cocoon and see the light. But pretty obvious comment from someone who advocates the legalization of Weed, as well as claims that it is not harmful. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

I will try to explain this so even my 3 yo daughter would understand. Towel head is a person willing to blow themselves up, for trying to become a martyr in the name of religion, a terrorist, someone ignorant, religous fanatic, which is not inclusive of a particular Race or creed. (don't forget Mr. Reid) These are people intent to kill civilians, innocents claiming that their god motivate them to do it, most Justin, were do you live, Disney world by any chance? I see that you don't think that there are serious issues about towel heads blowing themselves up and killing 1000's when they do? You are not concern about all those countries building Nukes, and their willingness to aid these towel heads? Maybe you did not have a relative, friend or someone die in the events that came as a shock to this nation? When on earth have you been? I would like to be there, as long as there is nothing illegal involved. Complain all you want, but don't just try to make things cool by showing up and giving cheap talk. without explaining yourself. Apparently you don't understand the words you are reading are you? If someone needs to learn (not expecting master for it seems not in accordance to your debating skills) how to express themselves, it is you, for you have left a post as blank as your thoughts. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Well, again you trying to hide the historical facts. The axis controlled almost all Europe, North Africa, and South east Asia. Do I need to explain or give you a history lesson, or are you going to refute them because just want to be blind to these facts. US was the only one aiding Britain, with supplies in their war effort, the only power still standing literally to the Axis (not counting the french resistance or resistance anywhere). You think that if the Germans were not attacked in the west they would have been able to maintain Europe dominance, which they did have in fact? Wow, tell you need to change books pal. But it is interesting that even though you are more likely to agree to these facts you choose to treat them as speculations.. I can't because Spain was never occupied by Germany as was the rest of Europe. Maybe it will be easier if I could help you pay for history lessons, you want some tapes, dvd's? The situation in 1941 was so desperate for the dominance of the world, that it only created a problem to the axis to provoke US ire and might. Should I keep on details by battle orders, places for you to get a reality fact based history class? The sad part is that it actually was happening, (which you are blatantly ignoring, and claimind them as speculation on my part) European dominance by the axis, as well as the south eastern Asia. So tell me maybe you think I do smoke dope and am just making these things up am I? For the N time, it never happened, and if it did, they most likely would have gone into war. Which never made any sense to me either for Franco to do that. That is a stupid questiong. It's like asking me will you die if you leap from a 3000 foot cliff?....Man, should the people making Billy madison knew about you, they would have made you a star.... "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

Pal, you are obviously talking another language. The whole debate was based in your assumption that Spain was not independent according to your point of view. I told you many posts ago that I will not ponder on speculations, just the facts. And this all was brought because you see the US as a bully, and that is fine as well, all I am trying is for people not to forget that has been not for the US, most of Europe would be speaking German today, It's a fact, as well as the many mistakes and blunders this nation has made present, past and future, yet no other country will go to war and after it will help rebuild it. Those are too, facts. The solution you propose is not a viable one, I am not asking to come clean, I am asking what do we do to stop these towel heads from blowing innocents up? It won;t do nothing if everything is stop and everyone comes clean, I see no solution there. And as derogatory you may find it, let me also let you know that in most South american countries there is not an issue calling people by their color of their skin, not their weight, is not an offense whatsoever. SO if you want to talk about cultures, then you need to broaden your horizons.... Nice talking to you... "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

They were independent. Do yo need more explanation? I never said Spain was occupied. As I have stated before, I have never voted liberal in elections in two different countries on two different continents.. And I do not know what this discussion has to do with Iraq and my views on that. So you are wrong on two accounts. You have never asked me anything specific.[Blue]yes, if you are against the US or the War then propose a different alternative. And what part to stic with the facts don't you agree, not the what ifs, maybe perhaps. Keep the facts, and don't twist actual history. DO YOU UNDERSTAND these words, or you need them French? And what did you just do a few posts back? did you not mention I was a Nazi Sympathizer?, I am assuming then correctly that you do not understand any explanation given. The fact remains Spain was NEVER occupied and maintained is sovereignty, now twist whatever you want, still you are getting far from the facts, and for this I did mention many times, that they maintained their independence and sovereingty. You on the other hand refuse to accept this fact especulatig the what ifs and so and so, please is a waste of time giving facts, and have them twisted around

Really? then why are you omiting my explanation of towel head as any imbecile fundamentalist who will by all means blow himself up in the name of his god part killing innocents. Pretty convenient, for you to twist things around right? I think that this needs to be explained once again, just like mikkey, makes assumptions that are not historically correct. The axis, which the allies in 1939 declare war to consisted of Germany, Italy, and Japan. Got it? Do you need a map for this?, It was Hitler that helped Mussolini remain in power for as long as he did. He helped Franco, Prior and during Spanish Civil war that started in April 1936. A civil war means a COUNTRY THAT IS FIGHTING ITSELF. Families are divided, and so was mine. Franco was facist as was Hitler& Mussolini, a great uncle, who died way before I was even born, was an aviator for his forces. You jump immediately to a conclussion that since this great uncle was my family, all of it is "Nazi sympathetic", including me? My Grandfather and, Grandmother, were republican, (read democratic), and had to pay a high price to fight the ideals he tried to defend. I would definitely be interested in getting your sources that Spain was occupied by Nazis, never seen a WW2 movie nor book that mention Spain as part of the invaded countries.... It never happened. End of story. Now, you as most liberals here, who are against the war in Iraq, have forgotten what history has taught, Bitch and cry foul ad-hominis this and slandering and so on, yet I must keep my mouth shut when none of you offer a viable alternative, and if you do it has to be something pro-pot, or to those effects, or insulting and nagging. You have been asked many times, no answer whatsoever. An answer would not be "go after Al-qaeda" for is the same as saying go kill the enemies, and that is precisely what we are currently doing, a shame that innocencts die, and we need to get to this point, what do you think is going to happen now with the Iran deadline sought and the issue about NK? One by one things are being dealt, so if you are not part of the solution, then don't be an obstacle. Nice talking 2 u 2.

hhmmm, so you hear instead of reading..... Just say no. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

This won't either.http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=5&u=/ap/20030912/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_agency_iran "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

have you been drinking, juan? wtf are you talking about - again? lmao. I'm talking about what Mikkey is implying that the US will not consider NK as a threat and the main reason being that it does not have oil. So, like all you guys thinking half truths at your own convenience to proof whatever you think is right, I needed to remind Mikkey, that in fact Nukes do exist in NK, and that the US has been already involved in an armed conflict with NK. He has so far not responded to that, so I would imagine that he wants proof to those 2 facts. I don't like to get drunk, nor do drugs. It has been my opinion that people that do drugs do in fact become delusional like you though. It is a fact.

Look forward to it. Defintely the day we were thinking is right for the jumps... Blue skies my friend, and god bless you. "According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon