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I saw that same guy walking down the middle of the road with a camera slung over his shoulder only a few seconds earlier, when the people were shot they were just standing there in plain view talking to each other, they were shot and most of them killed, one was crawling and wounded with no weapon and the soldier in the helecppter was itching to shoot him, the same soldier wanted to kill the people in the van including 2 children. When this mass murder was exposed years ago (minus video), we were told that it was not known how the children were injured and those that were killed were armed insurgents. They reprted 5 or 6 guys with AK's. and an RPG. From watcing this video we can see quite clearly that these people were not posing a threat, they were taking photos and acting normally. the murderer lied to his superiors in order get permission to shoot people for his own pleasure. If iraq is a warzone, and it is O.k. for US soldiers to kill anyting that moves, then you set the precedent that it is O.k. for those you are fighting to do the same, and then worse. So that makes the entire USA a warzone currently. so they can justifyably come and shoot you using the same moral principal. This american world police attitude is dangerous, it allows atrocities like this to continue, and as long as 'simple (minded)' americans support this type of behaviour it will continue, and the (real/actual) danger to american citizens will continue to escallate exponentially. Al Qaeda is a product of america tryng to protect itsef. Al quaeda would not exist if it wasn't for the IMC pumping billions of dollars into it a couple of decades ago. America should not be in Iraq and these innocent people should still be alive. what was achieved by killing them? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Put it this way, if you had a weapon and planned on using it, and there is an apache helecopter cirlcing above, would you walk in clear view and just stand there knowing an apache is circling around and watching you? or would you hide so you can avoid being seen? If you were a pilot of an apache and you thought there was at least 1 person with an RPG would you just continue circling above them in a heleopter? If you fired upon a dozen people, none of which even pointed a gun or fired one, and afterwards you see then loading the wounded into a van while 2 childeren overlook, would you beg for your superiors to open fire? At 2 childern and thier adult guardians? It was obvious that one of the guys had a camera with a large lens, and it was obvious that they were not hostile. If they had weapons and an RPG they would have hidden and that heleocopter would have been shot down. Not only is the gun in that helecopter way out of whack (aim is way out) the retartds shooting it were not only exited abut killing innocent people, they brag about it. "oh yeah right through the windscreen" (where the childern were sitting). The 'assholes' that defend this type of behavior, are the reason your country continues this madness, and the reason your country will die a sad death. This was in a suburb of a city that you are supposed to be defending. You are not at war with Iraq and you are not at war with Afghnaistan, you are trying to defend them and to rid the place from terrorists. With actions like these you are setting yourself up for a dismal loss and an escalation of violent activity towards your country, you are putting yourself and your civilians in danger. This type of behavior is perfect for it industrial military complex though isn't it! You need more enimies. What do the american people think about making more enimies, or are you not told that is the imminent outcome of destroying innocent peoples lives? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Documented.You did't watch the video did you, oh thats right, you're not allowed! He had the children in full sight and was getting agitated becuase they would soon go out of view. Speculation is the illeged weapons they supposedly saw. There was absolutely no hostile activity at all from the deceased, no evidence of any weapons or any intent to use any weapons. They gave false information to allow them the have a shooting spree and they enjoyed it, and boasted about it to each other. I am very interested to see how you inted on defending these criminals? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

he said that while he was looking at 2 children sitting in the front seat!! If I could come face to face with that coward... "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Click here to see innocent civilians getting murdered... yahoo news story If only we could see the half of what goes on! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So the Lodi planes got their turn in the FAA red tape, looked over, are back on line and you are still adamant Bill was in the wrong, and still operates sketchy aircraft based purely on speculation on your part. Just in time for summer and just in time for all the people to drive right past your drop zone and go to Lodi because it is less expensive and has 'better aircraft' and equipment. Bitter pill to swallow for you I suppose? I bet you wish you didn't run your mouth, then you too could enjoy the inexpensive skydiving. Your loss I suppose. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

thats really well done, check out ponteporn investigates central banking systems Afghanistan war quite amusing. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

How often will you be jumping? Will you be focusing on canopy piloting or just using it to get you down from freefall? I would need to know these things before i would suggest a size, but a crossfire is definately a good choice, I moved from a heatwave (stiletto copy) to a crossfire and was so very happy. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Nope but I know of at least 1100 that do. You sure do get your stories mixed up, I can't even take you seriously anymore. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Hijackings certainly are possible as history will tell us, but stoving a commercial airliner into the pentagon when you can't even fly a C172 is damned near impossible. not only getting through the defence, but actually hitting the building, flat and level? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

If you listen to the pilots that have taken the time to consider the official story and check its consistency, you will see they are deeply skeptical of the liklihood that the hijckers would be capable of hitting the targets that they aparently manged to. there are many quetions and they are all ignored and brushed off as crazy talk. Gee what a free country america is. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

tee hee I don't need to discuss the stats with you to know for myself that things do not collapse in such a manner without some sort of assitance. I have seen the stats, you have seen them, the data from nist and david chandler were almost identical but they both determoned them different. I know who sounds concise and thorough and i know who is incomplete and deceptive. There is sufficient evidence to the contrary of the official hypothesis, and the is little or no explantion for many anomolies surrounding one event composed of many strategic conspiracies. Questioning a conspiracy does not make one a conspiracy theorist, beleiving one does. the official story is a conspiracy by definition, so it is those that beleive the al qaeda conspiracy that are the conspiracy theorists. beleiveing common terrorists with less than average aptitude can infiltrate the entire security of the United states of america... look at the evidence and it is easy to tell the official story is bullshit, it always has been, it always will be. Zthe truth exists and plenty know the truth. people are too scared, to discuss the subject and it intrigues many an d it is taboo to include on MSM any possible alternative. The MSM actually strategically targets individuals in the truth movement and portrays them as fringe extreme crazies and ignore the whistleblowers, victims families, first reponders, architects, engineers, scholars, firefighters, pilots, the list goes on Republican or Democrat they are all the same, they are puppets for the cororations the they own and that own them. they listen the what is said from above and disregard what they hear from below. Lies become murder and treason and the lies become deeper. Then we get where we are now. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

It is your decision to participate in this discussion, you may not like what is being discussed and it may be a little too much for you to admit, but you are being seriously duped. Your media is controlled by the very corporatons that own it and use it to manipulte the opinion of the masses. 9/11 has exposed this more than any other single event. It is called marketing, it is human nature and there will always be people doing bad things and corruption will always be rife. It is whether you choose to ignore it or be aware of it that determines how it will affect you. going with the flow is much easier though, isn't it. See ya Its been nice having you here, and I bet you're back soon! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I never said fire alone, the was certainly damage, but the main catalyst was fore according to nist, not damage. neither the damage observed nor the fire or the combination of the two would make it possible for the building to collapse like that. Straight down rapid onset with freefall acceleration, through the path of what should have been the greatest resistance. not possible, quite simple to compreend but continuosly considered a conspiracy theory. science gets ignored by the wankers (in denial) that defend the official story as though it was some kind of religon. The evidence is continualy ignored without comment from the authorities and when someone pursues questioning the official stroy they are ridiculed and called unpatriotic. tehy are compared to extreme fringe terrorists for simply showing some reason. You all know your government has corruption, you all know your local authorities have corruption, you all know that where you find money and power you will find corruption, yet you consider these dubious and concealed 'investigations' to be bonafide and complete even though they are blatantly flawed. That is weak! That is meek and apathetic. That is unpatriotic. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Maybe in your world, but don't say I didn't tell ya. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

I beleive they would consider any hypotheses that would allow the military contractors to continue raping your countries' finances, rescources and integrety, while makeing you all broke. other than that they generally stick to thier guns and use the MSM to push it as reality. sad indeed. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

i certinly have, I am pointing out to you and everyone else that i am not afraid to discuss anything. You however seem to 'know it all' and take this stance where you opinion and thought processes are abolutley correct all of the time. i wanted to have an excersise on you honesty and intregrety, and asked if you mastebate to test you capabilities of bein open and honest in all subjects. I just wanted to see the level of converstion in which you are willing to be open about. obviously you are too coy or immature to partake in such a conversation. fair enough, I'll take it you are one of the 90% that lies? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So you're up to your armpits in war, and the results from this said investigation have not yet been found, and the suspect has been tortured over and over again, and you think your government is doing the right thing? Your logic, just like your goverments false pretences are a big old fabrication. It surprises me that so many of you are willing to defend the very tyrants that strip you of your liberties, your tax dollars and your countries foundations. You mock those that point out the truth, yet the very people you are defending will shit on you at the drop of a hat because they do not care about america or democracy or justice, they want absolute power, and acccess to all the recources they want to futher continue the stranglehold on the gloabl economy and therefore the global power. PNAC and all the movements are plain evidence of this, but the majority are too engulfed in thier faux media and busy lives to see what is really happening. unfortunately for them, they will not succeed becase apathy is need for them to succeed. the MSM are weakening like never seen before. It is easy for anyone to study the events and see that your logic is deeply flawed. You stand behind your professon as if that is credible, but you ny insult thse you work with and the company you work for by defending such lies. you are deep in it now though arent you, there is no turning back? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Oh yoe mean the building that fell down hours afterwards when everything and everyone was cleared out of ground zero? nice try homeboy, how about you use your eyes? or how about showing me where the precedent was set for a freefalling steel framed high rises? why you beleive they can fall so quickly and how the problem has been addressed so next time a city has large fire we dont see, buildings freefalling into thier own footprnts left right and centre after a few hors of office fires... think long and hard while watching footage of the building coming down. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Haha You kooks logic is quite consistent with this reply, I do not need to know the exct data to determine that the building did not fall from fire, anyone with an open mind and a reasonable understanding of physics should understand that. When you remove the political motivation to defend such tyrants, you are left with pretty much nothing. Building 7 fell down completely into its own footprint in only a handfull of seconds, it reached freefall acceleration. This is very simple, yet you and you idiot mates try to cloud the issue with other bullshit myths. i rememebr clearly arguing that freefall wa not posssible and your mates agreed on that, they said freefall did not happen and it was much slower, now that is it common knowledge that freefall did occur, you and you retarded followers try to argue that it is quite normal for a building to freefall, i should admt i was wrong the whole time. ha ha, Maybe in your world you are allowed to change tyour mind on a subject and be right bith times, but where i am from that is considered, bullshitting! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Oh so the announcment from the media that it was osama bin ladin only a couple of hours after the attack had not spread to the gospel within a couple of days and still stands to this day, with no other hypothesis considered? you use kooks logic. you flip a bitch on reality and try to spin your hypothsis as credible. this type of thinking is an insult to your profession. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

You are very good at this strawman thing arent you bill. Do you masterbate? And I am asking you in all honesty, this is just an excercise in whether you are willing to tell the truth in all circumstances. So don't ban me for 2 weeks and remove the post, it is a seroious question. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

So you also believe a building performance roprt is the same as a criminal investigation? Maybe, since you are a engineering guru, you should work for the CIA or FBI? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

Can you send me a link to it? or are you saying the (NIST)building performance report is the same as a criminal investigation? and if ythey can explain how a building is 'poised for collapse' then thay need not explain the collapse itself? No not from them, just further explanation. It is a criminal investigation that is needed, one has never been performed. assumtion is the basis of the raction, not the result of an investigation. Again, please link me to a rescource about ANY criminal investigation and the result of it? I am a truther, I beleive we are not being told the truth. i can't agree entirely with millions of people, but the one thing we all have in common is a desire to be told the truth. Not n unreasonable request, or is it? "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

If you watch FOX news or CNN or ABC or any of the major media outlets, you will find they will not (be allowed to) report this subject. Some people believe that if these oultlets do not report it, it did not happen... is this the case with you? You didn't hear about this? or consider this What a wanker as if he chose his duties and decided what should and should not be done. Theres time for politics? there are so many of these important leaks as to how flawed and corrupt/stupid the authorites have been, yet the mainstream media and those that follow it pretend as if there is none of this historical fact. This includes you and many of your fellow comrades here. "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix