olemisscub
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How could he have claimed there was no reference when an FBI file mentioning it was already posted and is what he was referring to when he said: "There are a couple of mentions of cigarette-stained fingers, with the first one being made 15-years after the event."
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Sure. So why not just post what has already been posted instead of seeking out a different looking version of the same description? Why did you go to that effort if it wasn't intended to mislead people into thinking it was a separate incident?
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you posted that to act like it's a separate and unique instance of cig stains being mentioned in the FBI Files than what has already been posted.
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We both know the FBI Files as well as the other. Be better than that.
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and we're the ones who are intellectually dishonest? You know exactly what you did here.
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If you want the DZ to be even more dead, then you got it. There's no need for you to behave like this. None.
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What the hell is wrong with you? None of this is worth this hostility and ugliness. No one is being hostile toward you or mocking you. Seriously. You have no reason to be so insulting toward us. I'm not sure why you treat every disagreement on the DZ like a personal battle. Maybe you're so used to people over the years genuinely being hostile with each other on here that it has given you PTSD, but I assure you that neither I nor MOI are taking that tone with you. That's not the type of people we are. We're just buddies sitting around shooting the shit. Try to keep that in mind as you move forward when interpreting the tone of our messages.
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You're really worked up about this. I'd just like to see a pre-NORJAK reference. Then I'll gladly switch sides on this topic.
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I just want to see a pre-NORJAK reference to Cooper's fingers being stained. That's all. The issue with posting those book references is that NORJAK was published before those books and was the only Cooper book out there at the time aside from Tosaw (who never mentions these stains). Thus, The Real McCoy and McPheters could be relying on NORJAK and post-NORJAK media quotes from Ralph talking about the stained fingers.
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When is that Himmelsbach quote from?
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We'll have to agree to disagree then.
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Yes, because what's the alternative? The alternative is that somehow in the tens of thousands of pages of internal memos this hugely significant characteristic of Cooper is only mentioned once and it is mentioned 17 years after the fact. We absolutely have more than enough documents to claim that this description contains a mistake.
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Those files were released in 2017. I think Bob is great, but how he has Cooper jumping over or south of the Columbia is a mystery to me. Both Rat and Andy have statements indicating that both the jump and the call to Soderlind happened before the Columbia.
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Did you mean “somebody ON the stairs”? Auto-pilot or not, everyone in the cockpit would have felt the pressure bump caused by the jump.
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Many men used shoe polish in those days
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Wish it were true that they were reading the DZ, but they're just scanning things in order and those letters are in that particular cache that was released in the latest vault.
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Ouch. This pic of Petey is one of the only interesting things in it.
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No idea. All I know is that there have been more than enough pages released to definitively state that "cigarette stains on right hand" is not a hold back. Again, he wasn't "D.B. Cooper" of legend yet. He was just some piece of shit bank robber with a clever modus operandi. They wanted to catch the guy. BADLY. If a physical trait as unique as cigarette stains on his fingers was ever part of his description, then it would have been included from day one.
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The original FOIA case says there are around 71,000 pages.
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Not a fraction. About half. Most of what we have remaining is just going to be suspect files. They've already gone through the actual categorized files.
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Seems like a coincidence. The FBI withholding info would only be externally, with the public. We now have their internal memos. It would absolutely 100% be in there. It's hard to fathom that not being all over the memos and suspect investigations as a way to weed people out.
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My question would be how would Tina have even noticed such a thing? His right hand was in the brief case most of the time. That's a very noticeable trait and if the FBI had that info they would have run with it in 1971 to narrow the search down.
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Why does he have to match the guy in Himmy's book? I really wonder if this is some sort of a typo or brain fart by the case agent who wrote that. That is LITERALLY the only place in the entire FBI files where it says that about Cooper. The same Cooper description shows up well over a thousand times in the Vault files and that's the only time it says that. I'm not particularly suggesting that this agent was influenced by Himmelsbach's descriptions of Cooper, but rather this was some sort of typists brain fart. It says "this description taken from the file". Well....no. That's not taken from any file known to exist.
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In Himmy's book NORJAK, he describes receiving a call from a woman wanting to speak with him about a suspect. It is my belief that three things within her description have somehow been absorbed into the Cooper narrative. Cig stains, terrible language, and "piercing" brown eyes are all things that Himmelsbach brought up about Cooper quite often. Yet all three have no prior provenance in the FBI files prior to the book being published. So I think this woman's description was conflated, perhaps inadvertently, into Himmy's description of Cooper.
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I believe it was actually the voice of a 20 year old or something and was so obviously not Cooper, but they made them listen anyways.
