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Their situation sucks due largely to their own actions (despicable leaders have taken them down this path) Please check out this old post about Arafat-KGB operative: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=673688;search_string=Arafat;#673688 I will waste bandwidth by showing the article again here because it is such a good read: COMMENTARY The KGB's Man By ION MIHAI PACEPA (Mr. Pacepa was the highest ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc. The author of "Red Horizons" (Regnery, 1987), he is finishing a book on the origins of current anti-Americanism._ The Israeli government has vowed to expel Yasser Arafat, calling him an "obstacle" to peace. But the 72-year-old Palestinian leader is much more than that; he is a career terrorist, trained, armed and bankrolled by the Soviet Union and its satellites for decades. Before I defected to America from Romania, leaving my post as chief of Romanian intelligence, I was responsible for giving Arafat about $200,000 in laundered cash every month throughout the 1970s. I also sent two cargo planes to Beirut a week, stuffed with uniforms and supplies. Other Soviet bloc states did much the same. Terrorism has been extremely profitable for Arafat. According to Forbes magazine, he is today the sixth wealthiest among the world's "kings, queens & despots," with more than $300 million stashed in Swiss bank accounts. * * * "I invented the hijackings [of passenger planes]," Arafat bragged when I first met him at his PLO headquarters in Beirut in the early 1970s. He gestured toward the little red flags pinned on a wall map of the world that labeled Israel as "Palestine." "There they all are!" he told me, proudly. The dubious honor of inventing hijacking actually goes to the KGB, which first hijacked a U.S. passenger plane in 1960 to Communist Cuba. Arafat's innovation was the suicide bomber, a terror concept that would come to full flower on 9/11. In 1972, the Kremlin put Arafat and his terror networks high on all Soviet bloc intelligence services' priority list, including mine. Bucharest's role was to ingratiate him with the White House. We were the bloc experts at this. We'd already had great success in making Washington -- as well as most of the fashionable left-leaning American academics of the day -- believe that Nicolae Ceausescu was, like Josip Broz Tito, an "independent" Communist with a "moderate" streak. KGB chairman Yuri Andropov in February 1972 laughed to me about the Yankee gullibility for celebrities. We'd outgrown Stalinist cults of personality, but those crazy Americans were still naïve enough to revere national leaders. We would make Arafat into just such a figurehead and gradually move the PLO closer to power and statehood. Andropov thought that Vietnam-weary Americans would snatch at the smallest sign of conciliation to promote Arafat from terrorist to statesman in their hopes for peace. Right after that meeting, I was given the KGB's "personal file" on Arafat. He was an Egyptian bourgeois turned into a devoted Marxist by KGB foreign intelligence. The KGB had trained him at its Balashikha special-ops school east of Moscow and in the mid-1960s decided to groom him as the future PLO leader. First, the KGB destroyed the official records of Arafat's birth in Cairo, replacing them with fictitious documents saying that he had been born in Jerusalem and was therefore a Palestinian by birth. The KGB's disinformation department then went to work on Arafat's four-page tract called "Falastinuna" (Our Palestine), turning it into a 48-page monthly magazine for the Palestinian terrorist organization al-Fatah. Arafat had headed al-Fatah since 1957. The KGB distributed it throughout the Arab world and in West Germany, which in those days played host to many Palestinian students. The KGB was adept at magazine publication and distribution; it had many similar periodicals in various languages for its front organizations in Western Europe, like the World Peace Council and the World Federation of Trade Unions. Next, the KGB gave Arafat an ideology and an image, just as it did for loyal Communists in our international front organizations. High-minded idealism held no mass-appeal in the Arab world, so the KGB remolded Arafat as a rabid anti-Zionist. They also selected a "personal hero" for him -- the Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, the man who visited Auschwitz in the late 1930s and reproached the Germans for not having killed even more Jews. In 1985 Arafat paid homage to the mufti, saying he was "proud no end" to be walking in his footsteps. Arafat was an important undercover operative for the KGB. Right after the 1967 Six Day Arab-Israeli war, Moscow got him appointed to chairman of the PLO. Egyptian ruler Gamal Abdel Nasser, a Soviet puppet, proposed the appointment. In 1969 the KGB asked Arafat to declare war on American "imperial-Zionism" during the first summit of the Black Terrorist International, a neo-Fascist pro-Palestine organization financed by the KGB and Libya's Moammar Gadhafi. It appealed to him so much, Arafat later claimed to have invented the imperial-Zionist battle cry. But in fact, "imperial-Zionism" was a Moscow invention, a modern adaptation of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion," and long a favorite tool of Russian intelligence to foment ethnic hatred. The KGB always regarded anti-Semitism plus anti-imperialism as a rich source of anti-Americanism. The KGB file on Arafat also said that in the Arab world only people who were truly good at deception could achieve high status. We Romanians were directed to help Arafat improve "his extraordinary talent for deceiving." The KGB chief of foreign intelligence, General Aleksandr Sakharovsky, ordered us to provide cover for Arafat's terror operations, while at the same time building up his international image. "Arafat is a brilliant stage manager," his letter concluded, "and we should put him to good use." In March 1978 I secretly brought Arafat to Bucharest for final instructions on how to behave in Washington. "You simply have to keep on pretending that you'll break with terrorism and that you'll recognize Israel -- over, and over, and over," Ceausescu told him for the umpteenth time. Ceausescu was euphoric over the prospect that both Arafat and he might be able to snag a Nobel Peace Prize with their fake displays of the olive branch. In April 1978 I accompanied Ceausescu to Washington, where he charmed President Carter. Arafat, he urged, would transform his brutal PLO into a law-abiding government-in-exile if only the U.S. would establish official relations. The meeting was a great success for us. Carter hailed Ceausescu, dictator of the most repressive police state in Eastern Europe, as a "great national and international leader" who had "taken on a role of leadership in the entire international community." Triumphant, Ceausescu brought home a joint communiqué in which the American president stated that his friendly relations with Ceausescu served "the cause of the world." * * * Three months later I was granted political asylum by the U.S. Ceausescu failed to get his Nobel Peace Prize. But in 1994 Arafat got his -- all because he continued to play the role we had given him to perfection. He had transformed his terrorist PLO into a government-in-exile (the Palestinian Authority), always pretending to call a halt to Palestinian terrorism while letting it continue unabated. Two years after signing the Oslo Accords, the number of Israelis killed by Palestinian terrorists had risen by 73%. On Oct. 23, 1998, President Clinton concluded his public remarks to Arafat by thanking him for "decades and decades and decades of tireless representation of the longing of the Palestinian people to be free, self-sufficient, and at home." The current administration sees through Arafat's charade but will not publicly support his expulsion. Meanwhile, the aging terrorist has consolidated his control over the Palestinian Authority and marshaled his young followers for more suicide attacks. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I found this summary: here The abstract: (blame the French!) This paper is a history of the Israeli nuclear weapons program drawn from a review of unclassified sources. Israel began its search for nuclear weapons at the inception of the state in 1948. As payment for Israeli participation in the Suez Crisis of 1956, France provided nuclear expertise and constructed a reactor complex for Israel at Dimona capable of large-scale plutonium production and reprocessing. The United States discovered the facility by 1958 and it was a subject of continual discussions between American presidents and Israeli prime ministers. Israel used delay and deception to at first keep the United States at bay, and later used the nuclear option as a bargaining chip for a consistent American conventional arms supply. After French disengagement in the early 1960s, Israel progressed on its own, including through several covert operations, to project completion. Before the 1967 Six-Day War, they felt their nuclear facility threatened and reportedly assembled several nuclear devices. By the 1973 Yom Kippur War Israel had a number of sophisticated nuclear bombs, deployed them, and considered using them. The Arabs may have limited their war aims because of their knowledge of the Israeli nuclear weapons. Israel has most probably conducted several nuclear bomb tests. They have continued to modernize and vertically proliferate and are now one of the world's larger nuclear powers. Using “bomb in the basement” nuclear opacity, Israel has been able to use its arsenal as a deterrent to the Arab world while not technically violating American nonproliferation requirements. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

No, I just don't remember the timing. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

When did the threat of the A-bomb make a difference in one of the wars. I don't remember when Israel admitted/was suspected of having the bomb, do you? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

A lot of Israeli victories were a long time before such weapons, the US and Soviet jet fighters of the Korean war to Vietnam war era were very well matched, some say the US machinery at times was not as capable. Soviets supplied the Arabs, US supplied Israel. Typical stuff in the cold war. The Israelis did it with good strategy, tactics, and a well motivated military. They didn't do it with superior numbers. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Local and federal prosecuters and lawmakers are trying to apply existing laws and/or create new laws that can clearly be used to punish 'enablers'. When groups such as NAMBLA are difficult to stop with existing laws and their interpretation by the courts I can understand that stopping the army of God can be difficult. At least we are trying, and the public overwelmingly agrees. Contrast this to the Palestinian Authority, who call leaders of Hamas and Islamic Jihad in to 'ask' for a cease-fire, after agreeing to 'dismantle' these same organizations. Why can't they be dismantled? The PA says that they don't have the power/ability to do so, that a civil war would result. Do you see a difference? Of course I don't judge individual you work with by the actions of terrorist groups. I also work with some arabs, and they aren't going to blow up a bus either. However they do have sympathy for Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the brigades, etc. Have you ever heard an Arab leader denounce a terrorist action? They do it all the time right? I have heard a certain reporter then repeatedly ask the same leader if they condemn the organization. The leader tries to spin around the question, they will not denounce the group doing the action. You see the group is good in their eyes, the action is misguided by those with proper intentions. It is kinda like the fact that in this country showing any racism will ensure that you cannot be elected to political office, and even in the business world is no way to advance yourself. Do you think support for Hamas is a help or hindrance to gaining political office in some parts of the Arab world. Do you see the difference? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Bad idea, you might blind someone with light reflecting off of it, just as they're closing in on you. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

1=1 also. Both are examples of the identity principle. However killing someone is not always murder. Those who kill abortion providers in the name of god are treated as criminals and punished within our own justice system. Their methods of opposing abortion are not popular. Hamas and Islamic Jihad are large organizations that are quite popular in the Arab world by comparison. They actually get a seat at a table with the Palestinian Authority, and are encouraged to implement a cease fire (not exactly treated like criminals). Can you see the difference? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

No need to worry at all about it being packed for a few months. That is the one thing you don't have to consider. What you do need to consider is if you are impulse buying. There is a lot of gear out there for sale. It is so tempting to have it now. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Peace brother...

Honestreporting.com's newsletter. Check their website, very revealing stuff. Unless of course you reject things because they don't come from a source you like. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Yes, I thought it rude, so I deleted it. The Constitution clearly describes how the votes matter. Some would change the method, you can join their cause. Sure money is a factor. If others agree with a new political viewpoint, they must spend money in order to get that viewpoint out for others to see and consider. As I said before, Ventura was not given a chance, he won. You can help out the socialist agenda, they do have a significant foothold in this country. It seems to me you have BS'd yourself into not thinking you can affect change in this country. Given your views I wish this were true, but it is not. “The Arabs were on the wrong side of WWII.” Ever head of the Arab League? United Arab Emirates? They associate themselves all the time as Arabs. This is common language used by their leaders, from Arafat, the Saud's and others. Yes, the Arabs were on the wrong side of WWII. They chose the path of war, they don't like to live with the consequences. They have rejected the offers of peace that were incredibly close to all of their supposed demands. Finally some Palestinian lower level leaders are starting to admit that their path is one of self-destruction. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Not forgetting at all. Fortunately, my ancestors had the good sense to get out of Russia and go to Chicago when the Czar was blaming Jews for the bad conditions of the time. There are a lot of countries that did not exist 50 years ago. Go back a little farther, maybe Jordan should claim the land that is now Israel (remember Trans-Jordan). The remnants of the Turkish Ottoman empire could claim what they lost, etc, etc. Go back 230 years and the US didn't exist. This is why it is so important to pick your wars carefully and to win them. Sure, they have their reasons, are you saying that they are justified, and you agree with their stated objectives, the destruction of Israel and extermination of all Jews? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I see you have chosen sides. The Arabs were on the wrong side of WWII. They still think that Austrian Corporal was doing a good thing. The chose to not take part in the UN partition, and promised to destroy Israel if created. They tried many times and have failed. No sympathy here. You have the ability to be an activist for whatever political party you want. They can even win (Ventura winning the MN governorship for example, there are some advocates of the socialist party agenda-even some members of socialist party organizations as members of congress). Yes, this is one of the myths about terrorists, and it makes their actions all the more despicable. On this we can agree. I think there is a lot that people can agree on if they just would seek being able to live in peace and prosper, instead of externally pretending to seek peace when they internally admit to wanting to continue the genocidal goals of that Austrian guy. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Unless you contend that the Catholic Church's actions from hundreds of years ago is much more important than current events, then it is indeed, a moot point. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I say the west supports governments that defend themselves from terrorism, as do we. And the Israelis recognize where the bombs that blow the shit out of their neighborhoods on a regular basis come from. The Palestinian leadership from the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to Arafat have led them down this destructive and hateful path. I believe that when the Palestinians have leadership that is willing to advocate peace, then their people will follow. I say we should choose sides - no good will come from straddling the fence, which side do you take? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

More evidence from Mediabackspin.com on why radical Islam is the greatest threat to freedom and democracy. Evolution of an Outrage People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Don't you know? Something about cig butts puts them in a category separate from trash, even though the filters probably last 100 years before decomposing. On occasion I have noticed a butt thrown out from a car after the driver has parked, and sometimes I am concerned that it might not be fully extinguished, so I make sure it is fully extinguished by putting it out on the offenders hood. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I thought that the embedded journalists were thought of as a great step forward in providing unfiltered access during the war by all of the news agencies. Have some news agencies expressed regret at the practice, wishing they had not been involved in a practice that you say should be against basic journalistic principles? People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

The misuse of Christian teachings to justify the murder of abortion providers is not at all very popular/accepted among Christians. In my opinion, the misuse of Islamic teachings to justify the murder of non-muslims is quite popular/accepted among muslims by comparison. Schools operated by the Palestinian Authority and Saudi Arabia have been widely reported. Perhaps the West just doesn't understand. Iran is a great exception, as mentioned. Fox News has reported many times about the tens of thousands that turned out on Sept. 12 in support of the U.S. The Iranian govt. only recently started to enforce their ban on T.V. satellite dishes. Hopefully they are too late though, access to information is corrosive to tyrannical regimes, and the population of Iran is quite young. A significant element of the Islamic world has declared war on freedom and democracy, time to pick sides. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Well spoken. ------------------------------ You don't get something for nothing You can't have freedom for free. You won't get wise with the sleep still in your eyes No matter what your dreams might be (not my words, but I think they fit) People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

So tell us more about your view on journalism and its purpose People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

I'm not a master of PhotoDeluxe yet... Palestinians commemorate Sept 11 Toy on sale in Gaza and Ramallah 2003 People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

Some good examples of why I hate radical Islamic terrorists. http://www.mediabackspin.com/ Just one example from the site: UPDATE: StrategyPage has a picture of another Gaza toy: (see attachment) Does it give Americans pause when their tax dollars fund the PA, which is doing nothing to discourage this? UPDATE: Some of these dolls have been confiscated by the Israeli authorities. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is incompatible? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How about the fact they were travelling around with troops? ____________________________________________________________ Of course they travelled with the troops. Do you have some information to suggest that reporters wanted to be independent during the period of very active battles? Do you think it would be right for the military to let journalists to get in the way by allowing them to move freely during that time? Thanks ever so much for the permission. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am