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Canada Japan Italy Spain Germany Denmark Andorra Switzerland Saudi Arabia Sicily (not a country, but may as well be) Crete (same) Greece Barbados St. Maartin Antiqua Iceland Ireland France Gran Turk Bahamas Puerto Rico Alabama "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

That would be kind of hard to wear........ "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

I have already discussed that ad-nauseam in another thread, that has nothing to do with the 1033 program. Mission creep is a supervision issue, I've already said this but it's worth repeating. I raided a poker game that involved prostitutes and selling cocaine. We didn't use the SWAT team, it didn't reach the threshold using our threat matrix. Most teams use a threat matrix to decide if a tactical entry is warranted, if they don't they should. Without seeing the intel on the game you are talking about, I can't (won't) give you an answer. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

It's interesting, Very little surplus equipment was used in Ferguson, yet the media claimed there was. Here is an example of expanded capability for pennies on the dollar, it's not free, but the cost is very minimal. This vehicle shows up in Ferguson it's a tank, here it's being used as most departments envisioned. It looks like a M1025, the same one we have (ours is an A2 model). It is not armored, ours has a chain saw, portable roll-up stretcher, water proof portable lights, and a small hand held Honda generator. All this was surplus and cost us the time and gas to go get it. This is the 1033 program, an excellent value to save local tax dollars and improve capability. I doubt you'll see this over and over on the national 24-hour news cycle, it's too routine and won't sell ad space or divide people. http://longisland.news12.com/multimedia/humvee-program-utilized-as-liers-dig-out-1.9863624 "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

The same was said when the FLIR first came into use, the courts will set limits as to it's use. The exigent circumstance MAY apply in certain situations. may not in others. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2013/02/08/confirmed-american-sniper-chris-kyle-killed-two-men-at-a-gas-station-in-2009/ Looks like one isn't a lie. Marcus Littrell also mentioned it in his book "Service", I don't think he's a liar. The man was complicated, but a liar, I don't think so. The one with the huge ego is Ventura, he has supposedly embellished his Navy service, along with being an avowed conspiracy theorist. It was an excellent movie about a good man, but his vocation will always have detractors, ones who's professional expertise is far removed from armed conflict. IMHO "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

It is in my state, unless there is an injury to the officer, or a bodily fluid is used (ya, welcome to my world). "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

It hasn't changed, but it's shifting. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

http://www.alicetraining.com/ They are many and varied. A very quick overview A-Alert L-Lockdown I-Inform C-Counter E-Evacuate These steps are not sequential Essentially it's get the word out of a threat plain and fast as possible, lockdown, determine where the threat is. When locking down, and the threat is near, barricade the door or other means of entry by any way possible. Informing means continuing to give as much information as possible about the threat. If the threat is not in your area of the building EVACUATE as fast as possible, by any means possible. This is the preferred response, but not possible for some. The counter portion is an absolute last resort, all other means have failed and a shooter has gained access to where you are. Obviously this isn't practical with smaller kids K-3 or special needs kids. Would you rather have your kid fight back, or be shot cowering in a corner. You would be very surprised what happens when a group of students swarm an attacker, while throwing anything they can grab. It's sounds awful, but he may get one, but he's not going to get them all. There is no perfect response to a chaotic situation, people are going to get hurt, an active response aims to reduce casualties. Some districts train to the faculty and staff level, others train down to the student level. None of this is done without parental input. In some school districts they do this very thing with a guy in a redman suit. There are videos online. It didn't take long for several 6 year olds to figure out being in the building during a shooting was not a good thing. One kid grabbed several of his buddies and ran out to a neighboring house in Sandy Hook. It saved their lives. ALICE training was brought up to me by a special education teacher who thought being locked in a building with a guy shooting, didn't make any sense to him. He wanted more options, that's what an active response gives you, options. I can show you pictures of grown college students sitting on the floor, in a room facing the wall, waiting to get shot at Virginia Tech. They were doing as they were trained. It's not a feel good, knee jerk response, it's an evolution of tactics in response to a threat. Police tactics have changed dramatically since Columbine, and they continue to change, they had to. School response tactics did not change. Here is the FBI report on active shooters, it includes preferred response options. ALICE is owned by a private company, so they can't recommend them by name. Greg Crane was the pioneer in this response, he changed the paradigm. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cirg/active-shooter-and-mass-casualty-incidents "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Yes, But are individual names listed? Do "activists" come and protest at your house. Do people follow you around work, and while you are attempting to torque a bolt to a correct value. Then attempt to provoke you into a confrontation? Those are just a few examples, I realize I'm comparing apples to oranges to a point, but I'm sure you get my meaning. In the last two "incidents" the officers were cleared of wrong doing and this still happened. They still face civil suits. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

This school may have been trying (very badly) to encourage an active response to an active shooter scenario. ALICE simply encourages the last ditch effort to fight back with ANYTHING available, as a last resort. Current lock-down protocols are wholly inadequate and actually lock potential victims in. There are other programs such as "run, hide, fight" that teach the same basic active responses. I'd check to see what your child's school response plans are, if they are just a lock-down, with no active response it needs to be addressed. If not ALICE then another active response protocol, there are several. I've found ALICE to be the most organized, concise, and easiest to teach. http://www.alicetraining.com/ I took my training from the founder, he used to say "I used to get kicked out of places, now I get invited in". ALICE was a huge departure from the school security paradigm, there are still some "experts" who say an active response is wrong. It's not, it takes the decision making away from a central location and give it to those actually involved. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Why yes, yes it is............ I just remember Flo, she was MILFY in a skanky diner kinda way........... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Okay, You're point is? This had been discussed ad-nauseam, when a cop does something wrong it's front page news. How many other occupations have sites dedicated to their mistakes. 800,000 cops in the US, millions of contacts yearly, many under extremely difficult circumstances. This is the best you can do? Plus the free thought project, photography is not a crime, and counter current news aren't exactly objective sources. Like I've said, the internet makes everyone an expert.............. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

It's interesting, I've had my meals paid for three times by people who wanted to show support since this mess started. Several people have been nice enough to come up and actually say they support us and appreciate what we do. Haven't seen this kind of support since Sept. 11th. The two who decided to invoke Ferguson and make outlandish statements were both involved in criminal activity. One was harboring a fugitive, the other had outstanding warrants. Go figure..... I'll leave you with this take on policing; 20% of the population will support law enforcement pretty much all the time, this is the law and order crowd. 20% of the population is usually not very supportive, this group can be broken down into several sub-groups. The far left has always disliked the police and make no bones about it, I'm good with that. Questioning authority is a good thing. The far right is a bit disingenuous, some claim to be supportive but are really not. They are the type who know better and will snipe when given the opportunity. The MRAP is a perfect example with this group, have one and you are coming to take their guns. Don't have one and if an incident happens which requires one, and you don't have it, you're unprepared. Also in this 20% are small groups on both sides, they are VERY vocal and can never be satisfied. The Occupy and Infowars folks are examples. This leaves the remaining 60%, they are people capable of making informed decisions, based on information and reason. These type people make up most jury pools and are the ones LEO's try to please the most. The funny thing is all these groups receive the same amount of service regardless of what they say. A cop would gladly put himself in harms way for any of these groups. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

That was Flo, Alice was the Brady's maid, geesch............ "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

It's a bit more complicated than that, I suggest people google A.L.I.C.E training. (and yes, I am an ALICE instructor) "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

I realize I have as much of a chance of changing your mind, as I do convincing Occupy Wall Street to invest in the stock market. (Although many of them are, and either don't know it or won't admit it.) But I digress Since my training record is three pages long, some of the in-service classes I've taken have given me numerous credit hours, (the academy gave me more than a semester, and that was a LONG time ago , it's more now), yep we're poorly trained Police work is no different than other occupations, we all have "that guy" in our professions. I'll give you an example of my circle of friends and fellow officers, there are; A patent holder A minor league baseball coach A former touring musician, a musical director and youth pastor. Guys with bachelor degrees (no numerous to list individually) Guys with master degrees (at least 5) Four guys with Juris Doctorates These are guys and gals I know personally, I work with most of them. Yep we are a stupid bunch. That's a rather totalitarian statement, and I'm the oppressor? No surprise there, you can't reason with a zealot. You have a nice day! "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

I realize your superior intellect I know any resistance on my part is futile, but I'm going to give it the old college try. American police deal with an armed populace, the German police largely do not. But I'm sure you knew that, and given your comments on two man patrols vs. one man, you have the skill and knowledge to make a difference. I'd suggest you check the link Normiss posted in a thread addressing police involved shootings. The Polizei don't deal anywhere near the volume of armed encounters that us yanks deal with, but again with superior intelligence, I know, you know that. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Not at all, I'm blaming them for fanning the flames in an already bad situation. I've pointed out numerous things about these situations that simply weren't true. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

My comments would be in a perfect world. PIO's are often hamstrung by political leadership, legal departments, or prosecutors. The reasons are often valid. It's a Catch-22 shit sandwich, the cops are the meat. My personal blame is squarely with the media and 24 hour news cycle in the recent incidents. The internet and social media have exploded the information flow exponentially. However the internet and social media spread flat-out incorrect information, rather than correcting misinformation major media outlets spread it and fanned the flames. Rodney King was actual misconduct, and it was condoned by the justice system. Policing changed for the better, the current "incidents" aren't nearly as clean cut, but the media promulgated misinformation. Sure Ferguson could have done a better job, but they were facing an uphill battle from the very beginning. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

You are exactly right, good PIO's get out ahead of the story, not so good ones struggle to keep up. One common thread is the media continues to push, in a vacuum of information they will literally make things up. A good PIO prevents the vacuum from happening or keeps the vacuum to a minimum. It is the media's job to push and get answers, but they are often very irresponsible in the initial reports. Especially the AP level and up, local outlets often understand and give the PD the benefit of the doubt. This only happens after years of good communications and building of positive relationships. I'm currently working on a side project to train PIO's and administrators. I've been talking with a former newspaper reporter who was a victim of the crash of print media. We are looking at doing some seminars to help with the flow of information, use of social media, and the pitfalls involving the lack of timely communication. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

Welcome to the wonderful world of law enforcement Catch-22's One thing a PIO can't really do is comment on policy issues immediately or even closely following deadly force incidents. The issue becomes a legal/liability minefield, there is a high likelihood of civil litigation even if the use of force is 100% justified. All a PIO can provide are basic undisputed facts, many times those are in dispute initially. Initial media reports can be wildly inaccurate, or in some cases made up based on inferences or initial radio traffic. For good reason the public wants answers now, but in many cases those answers are not immediately available. If a PIO says something inaccurate or premature, the effects can be long ranging in both the media and legal sense. They can also have unforeseen impact on an ongoing investigation. Our instant gratification society and 24 news cycle often clash with the realities of a properly conducted investigation. That's what I meant by competing interests, it's incredibly difficult to satisfy the current climate of instant information. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

The media and police have competing interests, there are very effective PIO's (Public Information Officers), and some not so effective ones. The main problem is daily police work doesn't sell ad space, air time, or newspapers. A good PIO will contact the media constantly with good things the PD is doing, but those daily good-doings end up on the back page or a 30 second blurb on the news. Have an officer make a mistake or be accused of misconduct and that is front page for weeks. The saying is very true, "if it bleeds, it leads"........... The video I posted is a PERFECT example, this should have led on all the major 24hour news cycle networks. "White cop shields black suspect from gunfire" Did anyone see that? Nope, and you never will, because that would be constructive and conciliatory. That's why I posted it, because I knew it would never gain traction in the 24 hour news cycle, it's not cynical enough. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

When an officer gives a well thought out response, giving actual examples, including reasonable examples of things he doesn't like. This is the response that eventually comes, an angry profanity laced tirade by an angry person who has no real facts. I know, you've seen it on the internet so it makes you an expert. American police deal with an armed populace daily, there are millions of police contacts yearly, including thousands of armed confrontations no one ever reads about. I've actually talked with European cops, they all think we are crazy for what we have to deal with and the rules we have. Look past your keyboard and monitor, perhaps then things could be in perspective. Have a nice day! "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

No apology needed dude............ "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"