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Same old crap.. you are in a hole you should have stopped digging years ago. Clearly, this issue is way above your head.

TBAR money find clip,,, pieces found within 4 or 5 feet of the original money. tbarmoneytrim.mov

Yes, even Tom suggested something like that... There are lots of theories that can be dreamed up, so it comes down to the most plausible... I have several good theories, two of the them have the potential to lead to a suspect.. long shot though. and as I have said TBAR will likely never be proven, just a bunch of theories.. What it does do is weaken theories like the dredge and a human burial.. and opens up other theories. The TBAR single bundle also moves the needle slightly away from Cooper died in the jump theories.. you don't need the money bag.. For 50 years,, the dominant TBAR analysis has been constrained by the false belief that the money could have only arrived together as separate packets. More about the money is that one packet was very twisted or torqued before it congealed.. and the holes appear to be limited to only one packet.

Nice, credit to NickyB for trying,,, but Tina may have reasons for not being truthful. We'll see and we'll know.

Wasting your time,, there is no new evidence,, Georger was given all the evidence and the argument years ago.. his stubborn ego just just won't accept it. He actually lied and made up evidence to maintain his position. He claims Tina meant rubber bands. The evidence supports paper bands but is not even the real issue. The point is simple, based on the evidence the money had to be in packets of 100's, if the money was made random in count that could only have been the bundles of several packets rubber banded together. Exactly what Himmelsbach said. So, the money went to Cooper rubber banded into bundles of random packet counts. That is consistent with how the TBAR money was found,, one single bundle of several packets. TBAR as one single bundle is the parameter by which theories should evolve. For Georger to maintain his position he must prove the money was not in packets of 100 bills.. he can't because they weren't. He doesn't even understand that is the keystone.

Georger, You don't understand the evidence or the issue, you never have.. are you now claiming the money never got wet.. the crap you make up to maintain your position up never ends,, There were rubber band frags on the money, they were from the bundle not the packet. Ingrams confirm existence of rubber bands. The rubber band vs paper bands on the packets is largely irrelevant.. The takeaway is that the packets had to be in 100 bills each.. they were not a random count as CKRET believed. That means the money went to Cooper rubber banded into randomized bundles of several packets. Confirmed by Himmelsbah and bank 302's. And that means the money that landed on TBAR was one single bundle as the FBI claimed. that changes the means by which the money arrived on TBAR.. If the packets were in a single bundle and not individual,, The money did not have to arrive in a container like the money bag. The dredge theory is extremely weak and virtually eliminated... The premise for the human burial theory is gone... that is why Ulis is still fighting this. So, now we need to look at TBAR theories that fit.. The money arrives as one single bundle. The "FBI" flightpath is maintained. Cooper jumped between the Lewis R and Battleground. and the diatoms indicate a delay with the money entering the River in a Spring.

SHHHH, don't tell anybody.. Actually that stamp was a common one from 1972.. A few of the "Cooper" letters to the FBI had the same stamp, maybe because it looks cool with a plane on it.

Paul Cini was Canadian but moved in with relatives in NJ.. he later joined the US military..

Funny, the 3 stooges was top of mind and an inside joke from Shutter's forum.. When I called them the 3 stooges R99, Georger and Meyer Louie were ganging up on me trying to get me kicked off the forum for bringing up the rubber band issue. Meyer threatened to beat me up, Georger and R99 lobbied Shutter to have me removed.. Shutter actually sent me a message telling me to shut up about the rubber bands.. Cancel culture Vortex style.. at that time they all thought each of the 3 TBAR "packets" were a random count and rubber banded but I knew that based on the evidence that didn't make sense.. they couldn't understand the difference between packets and bundles. For the record I don't actually claim they are the real three stooges.. but the rubber band issue is a never ending who is on first episode..

I am done with you guys.. such a waste of time. I have explained this so many times and you guys still don't grasp the issue, you can't even articulate a counter argument addressing the facts. You use a logical fallacy claiming Carr the authority when he was clearly wrong about randomized packet counts.. the bill count error PROVES that Carr didn't understand what the Bank guy meant. You even lied about evidence. I cannot fathom the sheer ignorance going on here and for so long over this.. why? to maintain your dredge theory? who cares.. It is so ridiculous I almost think you guys are faking it.

It isn't my view, it is the evidence that you seem to ignore. Many sources said the money was in 100's ($2000) per packet. but it makes no sense for the packets to be randomized. The FBI said the TBAR money was in the same order and packaging as given to Cooper.. The FBI had the micro which was in physical order made long before NORJAK,, If the packets were "randomized" then there is no way the order would match the micro. The packets were not randomized and in 100 bills = $2000.. If the packets were not randomized then it could only have been the bundles of several packets.. and those could only be held together with rubber bands.... the rubber bands found on the TBAR money. There is no way around this. Check Mate.

Why do I have to read this patronizing nonsense... Georger's post are incoherent enough. The Dan Cooper comic test pilot "character" was initially based on or inspired by test pilot George Cooper.. that doesn't mean the stories are about him. Everybody knows the money was circulated $20's and in random serial number order.. They were in packets of 100 bills per packet = $2000 per packet. NOT A RANDOM COUNT. The evidence indicates those packets were wrapped with paper bank bands, but rubber band frags were found on the money. Carr INCORRECTLY believed that the packets of 100 bills ($2000) were randomized in count, so there may be $500 or $1000 per packet, he claimed. THIS WAS COMPLETELY WRONG.. This false belief meant that Carr assumed they were rubber banded because the bank guy said he rubber banded the bundles into random counts. Carr screwed this up and the ignorance and confusion just won't end.. The bank guy was referring to the bundles not the packets. The rubber bands were used for the bundles not the packets. Carr was correct that the money was randomized in count but he was wrong claiming the packets were randomized. So, you might have random number 3, 4, 5 or 6 packets of 100 bills ($2000) per packet rubber banded into a single rubber banded bundle.. The bundles of several packets were randomized NOT the packets of 100 bills. How many times do we have to go through this 3 stooges whose on first skit.

WOW, found out some interesting stuff on the DAN COOPER comic,, found a list of all the editions that were printed in Mexico in Spanish for Latin America... but it looks like the fictional Canadian test pilot DAN COOPER was inspired by aka "copied" from a real US test pilot from 1945-1973 named George Cooper who was the chief test pilot at NASA. They changed the character to be Canadian to be more acceptable internationally, never published in english or officially distributed it in the US. Much more on this later... there is a nexus.. https://history.arc.nasa.gov/hist_pdfs/cooper_bio_20120724.pdf

This screed proves once again that you don't understand the issue.. Nobody is challenging the fact that the Ingrams claimed rubber band fragments were found on the money.. that is not the issue. The issue is where did they come from, the packet or the bundle. Carr talked to bank guy who said the bundles were rubber banded,, but Carr believed each packet of 100 was made random and rubber banded,,, this is false, he got packets and bundles mixed up. You are correct, you have no idea what is going on.. you don't understand the issue and the evidence. Carr, Kaye or the Ingrams can't help you.. they do not know and can't reconcile the evidence supporting paper bank bands and the rubber band frags found on the money... The only logical answer based on the evidence we have which was also confirmed by Himmelsbach is that the packets of 100 were paper bank banded and those packets were rubber banded into random sized bundles.. With no evidence you claim there were no paper bands at all and even claim that Tina's "bank style bands" means rubber bands... and Himmelsbach was wrong and Tosaw was wrong and Pringle was wrong and the 302's were wrong... but Carr who got the randomization of the bundles completely wrong is the authority on this... You have no argument, none, because you haven't got a clue what is going on. So, you still attack me personally.. but unlike the last few years,, now everybody, not just me, believes they were paper bank bands except you and Ulis.. Good luck.

Here, Pringle,, "It's all from one bundle".. (3 packets) "Cooper had been given several bundles" declined to say how many... (about 20) "There is certain information known only to us and the hijacker" (the packaging) Well, was Cooper given 100 packets or about 20 randomized bundles?? If he wasn't given 100 individual packets of 100 bills then rubber bands had to be used for the randomized bundles.

Carr was wrong, he thought the packets were randomized,, and Pat Ingram has nothing to do with this... You still don't understand the issue and never will..

Georger's ego will never allow him to understand, I have explained this to him dozens of times over the years.. Like Ulis he insists Tina's "bank type bands" means rubber bands..

Larry thought the packets of 100's were randomized. He mixed up the term bundle..

Obviously we want solid evidence that rubber bands were on the money when it was given to Cooper. There is a ton of stuff we could use... that rubber band issue has been going for over 10 years.. But you know this is the nature of Cooper case, you don't get it easy.. we even have 302 errors.. As a listener, both you guys were dismissing the information we DO have.. that is what I disagree with. The info we have is very strong. Himmelsbach. Tosaw. Agent statements during TBAR find. Money was from one bundle,, money was randomized,, money was in the same condition as given to Cooper. Larry Carr. Bundles were randomized. The fact that the money was found with rubber band frags. I always thought it was a huge deal... it changes means by which the money could arrive on TBAR.

Right, I saw Arkansas at the top of the 302 and assumed Flo..

I went through this for years... The evidence clearly indicates paper bank bands for the packets... so we agree on that.. You guys were dissing the idea that the packets were rubber banded into random sized bundles.. using unfounded arguments. Why would they do that, there is no good reason? the FBI had nothing to do with the money? Himmelsbach was influenced by the money find... etc.. We don't have a 302 stating rubber bands were used for the money.. so we can only use what we have and in total it indicates that the packets were rubber banded into random sized bundles at the bank, not by the FBI. These agents aren't going to make it up...

This is what Flo actually said... ..lower lip gave a "pouty" appearance,, Sketch B has too much flesh toward the corners of the mouth. She advised that the middle of the lower lip appears larger due to the slimness of the corners of the lower lip.. In other words the middle of the lip appeared pouty due to the corners being slim... Cooper's had a slightly protruding lower lip with slim corners..

NickyB and Ryan,, The rubber band thing is NOT new, we have gone over this for years.. the controversy goes way back to CKRET on DZ... I have always argued that the evidence supports paper bank bands on the packets. Now, you guys sloppily created a red herring.. the FBI did NOT ever say they randomized the bundles.. the FBI has stated they didn't have anything to do with the money.. The bank did it. So, if the bank randomized the bundles they had to use rubber bands. The money was pre-recorded and kept in order to match the film. It was not paper banded right before the hijacking. The typical size for a bundle would be 5 packets, that is 20 bundles. It would take very little time to randomize 20 bundles with rubber bands. Ultimately, the argument comes down to whether the bundles were randomized or not.. if they were they had rubber bands. The evidence indicates they were,, Larry Carr... Baker does not say the FBI did it.. The packaging and sequence indicate... the same as given to Cooper.. Money was the same as given to Cooper. Pringle said many times the money was from one bundle. Himmelsbach described it.. he said bank bands on the packets and rubber bands held the individual packets together (bundle). He was not influenced by the money find. It didn't match the money find, it was more detailed and precise.

Ryan, you keep spreading false information.. Hahneman's draft cards were 5' 8" and 5' 9".. witnesses had him from 5' 8" to 6' but the average was 5' 10".. Hahneman was about 5' 10" in shoes.. He did put on sunglasses early on.. A news report said 40, but the FBI had his age as 45-49 from witnesses.. I think the newspaper should have written 40's... not 40.

It isn't guessing, it is deductive reasoning.. that is the best you have without physical evidence. Tom said he looked for rubber band evidence and found nothing. I have always said TBAR won't be solved beyond theories, but you don't need TBAR to solve the case.