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Problem,, How do the particles get on the shorter narrower piece of the tie that was behind the wider front piece? with a tie tack/clip holding them together.. Only if they were deposited when it wasn't being worn.

I found "P2" printed on the WSHM container.

Not exactly... there is no problem with the chutes but you still have it wrong. The WSHM chute serial #226 card says a 26' Ripstop Conical... a 28' is not Conical. The WSHM tan container is a WW2 era Pioneer P2, those were 24' originally with a silk chute and used by the public as well as military. This is probably why it was referred to as a "civilian luxury chute".. It was sold to the public. That means the WSHM container is a 24' stuffed with a 26' conical canopy.. You keep saying the card is wrong but have NO evidence. The card was originally written by Cossey when he first packed it in 1971 and repacked twice after Hayden got it back. There is no reason to believe the card is wrong. Additionally, the only chute in question with multiple descriptions is the one Cooper used.. Why,,, IMO, Cossey claimed he was called after the plane landed in Reno and given the description of the chutes left behind, he was also at some point shown the chutes..... So, Cossey had personal post hijack knowledge of the WSHM chute. That is why the descriptions are accurate and consistent for that chute and not the missing one.

Reca was not Cooper reaction. https://www.captiongenerator.com/v/2293842/hitler-finds-out-walter-reca-was-not-db-cooper.

Robert, You keep saying that with no evidence.. the container looks stuffed to you.. It looks stuffed because it is a 24' container with a 26' canopy. It is not a 26' container.

of course they do....

Tosaw's quote... not exactly attributed,,, it could be his clothes (semicolon... this or this or this...) Looks like it is Tosaw speculating about Mitchell's odd socks claim. Mitchell has never said he saw what he beleived to be long underwear. Mitchell ‘did wonder why the blond stewardess was paying so much attention to this “older man” when he also desired some attention and was obviously more her age. He concluded that whatever the man’s attraction, it couldn’t be his clothes; the man’s socks or long underwear or whatever it was that was showing didn’t match his shoes or trousers.

Found some info.. The 28' a round flat circular is a C-9 The 26' is a Navy conical The 24' is a reserve conical The museum chute was described as a conical... a 26' The card found missing a chute presumed to be from the one Cooper used reflected it to be a "Conacol", if accurate that means it wasn't a 28' chute. Cooper's chute could not have been a 28' canopy and corroborates the chute being a 24'. Background – A Short History of the Development of Parachute Equipment Military Surplus Parachutes Prior to about 1968, most pilots in civilian aircraft in the United States (and much of the rest of the world) used surplus military parachutes in their aircraft. The common harness/container models in use were the USAF B-4/B-12 and the USN NB-6/ NB-8 backpacks as well as several variants of military seatpack parachutes. The most common canopies were the 28’ person- nel canopy (the C-9) used in all Air Force and most Navy para- chutes, the 26’ Navy conical used in the NB-6, and the 24’ (T10A) canopy used as reserve for the Army troop para- chutes. The common factors in all of these various models are that they are heavy, bulky and uncomfortable. Although there are still a great number of surplus military parachute systems in use, only a small number of these items are still available as new surplus and they have largely been supplanted by newer technology products (which will be discussed below) in sales of new equipment. The 28’ Military Canopy Aside from being the only readily available canopy in the 1960’s, the C-9 really didn’t have all that much going for it when compared to the operational requirements in civil use. It is rugged and cheap but suffers from a variety of problems, mostly related to the fact that the basic design dates from the late 1920s. These problems include its relatively high weight and bulk; lack of steering capability; severe oscillations in the unmodified condition; a relatively high rate of descent that in- creases the injury rate; and tendencies for post-inflation col- lapse due to its flat circular design. It also has slow openings at low speeds such as a zero/zero ejection condition and hard openings at high speeds such as a low altitude, high-speed ejec- tion. Over the more than 60 years since its introduction, the only sig- nificant improvements to the C-9 have been: 1) the change to nylon cloth and lines in the late 1940’s which effectively dou- bled the strength of the canopy; ; 2) the development of reefing systems for some versions which allowed the canopy to operate at somewhat higher speeds without the loads exceeding human tolerance and; 3) the addition of the 4-line release modification in the 1970’s that significantly reduces the oscillations and rate- of-descent (but only if activated by the user). Skydiving Equipment Not surprisingly, given the paucity of available equipment, sky- divers in the 60’s were also using the same basic equipment albeit with an amazing variety of steering modifications to the main canopies (usually the 28’). But, during the 60’s, Pioneer Parachute Company introduced the Para-Commander, which took the sport by storm and virtually owned the main canopy market until the early 70’s when the first practical ram-air can- opy appeared and sealed its fate. Skydivers in the 60’s and 70’s also used military surplus canopies for their chest reserve para- chutes with the Navy 26’ Conical being the most desirable. They also used modified military harness/container systems with chest reserve parachutes. During the late 60’s and early 70’s a number of companies (primarily Pioneer Parachute Company, Security Parachute Company and Strong Enter- prises) began the introduction of a series of new products (main and reserve canopies and harness/container systems) that gradually replaced the military surplus equipment in use by skydivers. In the mid-70’s Para-Flite ram-air canopies and the Relative Workshop Wonderhog harness/container system were introduced and largely completed the transition to purpose built skydiving equipment for the great majority of jumpers. During the 80’s and 90’s many more companies entered the skydiving equipment market (and some others dropped out) with the re- sulting competition fueling the development of an amazing va- riety and range of products.

"I've never heard of a 28 foot conical."

It was started by Tosaw... or, or, or... he is speculating. "the man’s socks OR long underwear OR whatever it was that was showing didn’t match his shoes or trousers" If his shoes were dark brown and suit dark brown, then what wouldn't match,, blue? Mitchell never mentioned long underwear in the WSHM interview.. He believed the socks looked odd somehow. Remember, this was many years later,, no mention of long underwear right after the hijacking by any witness. unconfirmed, we just don't know.

Sure, only Cossey said the missing canopies were white,, yes, a few sources.... and nothing reliable or certain. it was pushed by Jo Weber, she claimed Mitchel told her he saw thick socks or long underwear.. Tosaw's book cites Mitchell saying long underwear or whatever was showing over his socks.. long underwear was speculation by Tosaw. "Mitchell ‘did wonder why the blond stewardess was paying so much attention to this “older man” when he also desired some attention and was obviously more her age. He concluded that whatever the man’s attraction, it couldn’t be his clothes; the man’s socks or long underwear or whatever it was that was showing didn’t match his shoes or trousers." agents believed thermal long underwear.. Coffelt's story includes thermal underwear.. So, there is no confirmation of long underwear... Mitchell said in the WHMS interview that he looked geeky, his shoes and socks didn't match,, but he never mentioned long underwear... There is a conflict,, Cooper had ankle high laceless shoes, how could his socks be seen. Conclusion, long underwear is unsubstantiated..

Can any parachute people answer this.. Flat circular/Round vs Conical military canopies.. I realize the structure and shape are different. but are conical's 24' and 26' and rounds 28' +... and would a round 28' have less surface area than a theoretical 28' conical.. So, due to the shape a 26' conical may have a similar surface area to a 28' round..

The missing chest training chute.. "Norm D" and red flap.. Why red flap.. here. Suggests it is a WW2 era container. https://www.theriggerdepot.com/qac-color-coding.html

Not sure, but one on the wall at Sky Sports also has them.

It must have been conflated and not on chute number two,, why didn't they note it for chute number one, it is obviously there. You know there was a word floating around that was noted for being on the Dummy but I can't remember it or find it.. I think it was a 6 to 8 letter name.. I have it somewhere in my files but can't find it.. Anybody remember.. FOUND IT... "Norm D"

Sewn white patch and words fit,, I'd say solved.

"Both Barry and Norm stated that it was routine that the chutes used in acro planes would be identical rigs."

There are at least three versions of this... this is earlier. Notice the spelling error, "twentyforu", it is not in the other version. Here "Mc Chord" has an unnecessary space.

Not a teletype..

There is a space on the patch between the # and the 5.

you forgot the "and"

I realize it says number two container but... Does "SSS # 5 and COSS" fit... looks like it

Those sealed leather bank satchels are use to transport cash,,, not a knapsack.. https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/spokane-seattle-first-nat-bank-leather-loomis-money

Sure, but let's put the term "knapsack" in the context of a 50 year old ex military guy who is asking for parachutes using WW2 vernacular... Haversack, rucksack, backpack and knapsack,,,, try and sort all those out...

WW2 era USMC military knapsack,,, Is this what Cooper wanted the money in...