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Yes, they may have focussed more on McCoy but they did at least some investigation into Hanheman. They showed the sketch from his hijacking before he was id'd to a NORJAK witness and they said "not identical".. but like the Cooper sketch witnesses thought it wasn't perfect, the sketch was not identical to Hahneman.. I believe later they showed his pic to witnesses but redacted his name, so results are unknown. The problem with Hahneman is he has an unmemorable look, I have a dozen images of him and he looks like 3 different people as he gained/lost weight and changed his hair.. The sketch resembles him but isn't perfect. Why would Hahneman be redacted? They only redact living people.. Hahneman died 30 years ago. They also took prints from Hahneman's hijacked plane before he was id'd and compared to NORJAK prints with negative results. But like Cooper they weren't even sure they were Hahneman's prints. I have no plans to publish anything, I loathe writing. Perhaps I can find somebody to pull together my material in a concise form. here is what I can say.. Hahneman had connections in very very high places. There were interventions in his case. The FBI claimed Hahneman returned from Vietnam in Jan 72,, that is 100% false and easily disproved. I don't know why they would say that, maybe they were given false info.. Witnesses have him returning earlier. Hahneman fled to Honduras in Jan 72 to set up residency using an altered name and false birthdate claiming Honduran citizenship which he hadn't used for 30 years. He returned to the US to commit the May hijacking. Also, I am chipping away at Hahneman's activities in Vietnam, he seemed to be both military and a contractor.. WW2, Korea and Vietnam. I can't figure out how that works in Vietnam.. He had security clearances and may have worked for the CIA but I can't crack that.. It is hard to get info for Vietnam.. his military records were destroyed in the fire. He moved all over the world working in sketchy places but spent the years before NORJAK in SE Asia.. He was a loner and rarely visited his family in even when he was back in the US. Hahneman was diagnosed with terminal cancer in 1971 in Vietnam.. and his mother said that his time in Vietnam changed him.. E. Howard hunt was asked directly about Hahneman and the CIA coup in Guatemala during the Senate Hearing into the CIA activities... Reading between the lines.. (speculating) Hahneman did contract work for the CIA and maybe they covered up him being Cooper because the CIA was under the microscope in '72 and Hahneman's connections and knowledge would have made them look bad. Hahneman's high level contact cut a deal with the State Department. The FBI may not have been aware... the tell, there is nearly zero info on Hahneman's hijacking after the incident which is an amazing story itself and ZERO consideration that he may have been Cooper. It is as if he was completely ghosted.. by design. Labelling him a copycat was genius, nobody looked at him. However, he wasn't a copycat, according to US officials he had planned his hijacking for almost year, right after his '71 cancer diagnosis in Vietnam.
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When Hahneman was captured he talked a bit about his hijacking, but when he got back to the US and lawyered up he even told his lawyer not to talk in court. Why, Hahneman had a very high level connection that intervened in his case.. if they interviewed him about anything, he wasn't co-operating. You're not really going to get context from newspaper articles. The newspapers described him as aggressive and mean, that isn't reflected in the FBI files.. He engaged in small chatter, joked and let a stew go who was suffering from stress. Hotel workers described him as polite.. The noose incident newpapers refer to has no context, what actually happened was the FBI feigned a mechanical problem with the plane. Cooper was given everything except the knapsack, he had it easy compared to Hahneman. The FBI faked a mechanical problem and had snipers lined up,, Hahneman knew what they were up to and demanded a backup 727. He knew they had snipers ready to take him out so as they transferred planes he surrounded himself with the crew and held a gun in the back of the Captain.. the noose part was not confirmed by the FBI. I don't know if that was true or an exaggeration. I have reports from two FBI snipers, neither mentioned a noose. Cooper never faced that type of situation. Hahneman's "aggressive" actions were caused by the FBI trying to take him out with snipers and faking a mechanical issue forcing him to walk across the tarmac to another plane. Would Cooper have remained polite in the same situation?? don't think so. The Hahneman hijacking details were very similar to the Cooper hijacking except for the use of the gun.. Hahneman also threatened to blow up the plane with a briefcase bomb. The big difference for Cooper was the crew didn't tell the passengers they were being hijacked. Cooper had it easier. For Hahneman the crew announced right away that the plane was hijacked and that elevated the tension and aggressiveness of some passengers on the plane. So, the environments were quite different but many many details were consistent. Cooper was described by witnesses as swarthy, Latin/Mexican in appearance, descent and features.. That is undisputed and clear throughout the FBI files.. and that eliminates almost all the high profile Cooper suspects.
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No plans to publish, but the reason I can't reveal what I have now is because it will jeopardize future investigative material. If you get my drift.
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Robert, You are throwing out bogus claims. I am not interested in straightening out and unwinding your nonsense.
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You are completely clueless.. your comment is ignorant baseless nonsense. Your claims are just made up and false. It isn't that I am unable to answer simple questions, I choose not to get into the details of my research with ignorant people. I have thousands of pieces of info on Hahneman, it would be a massive undertaking to explain it all properly... and I am just not interested. If you (or others) want to reject Hahneman based on assumptions and from a position of ignorance that is your problem. In fact, I prefer it that way.
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Your points are BS,,, you are just throwing out assumptions and strawman fallacies from ignorance. I have no interest in getting bogged down in correcting you, over and over. It is nauseating.. How many times did I have to repeat that I have the files 5 or 6? I am not writing a book and don't want to discuss the massive amount of research I have with uninformed people. There is no upside.. Hahneman is the best Cooper suspect by a long shot, I have been trying to put him on the plane but that may be impossible for any suspect without access to Cooper's DNA. You can't even admit Cooper was described as Latin/Mexican in appearance and features... you do need somebody to think for you.
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Robert, you are a joke,, I stated many times that I have FBI files and Hahneman did NOT go to trial,, You keep repeating stuff I already posted.. you are wasting my time. If you want to eliminate Hahneman, go ahead. I am not here to think for you.
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Lots of assumptions and complete inaccuracies packed in there.. Cooper was described universally as Latin/Mexican in features and appearance. To claim otherwise is dishonest. As for Hahneman, you know virtually nothing about him and less about the FBI investigation. You use weasel words like "obviously", "may have been" and "probably"... to make claims of fact, amateur stuff. You make a lot of assumptions about things you have no knowledge of... How do you know they dismissed him? you don't. The Cooper case is not your average crime,, something is going on that is either a gross error or intentional to cause this to remain unsolved by authorities. The FBI admitted that they didn't have the evidence and needed Cooper to co-operate.. if Hahneman didn't co-operate then they couldn't put him on the plane. For his May '72 hijacking, he cut a deal, plead guilty to a reduced charge and didn't go to trial. He was out in 12 years.. The reason I started looking into Hahneman was because he fit the Cooper description perfectly and committed virtually the same crime but there was no info on why he was NOT Cooper, I mean ZERO.. that was bizarre. We have info on many weaker suspects... He was labeled a copycat which was false, he planned it for almost a year pre-dating NORJAK... I found no info that eliminated Hahneman and more and more that matched. My pet peeve with this case and the Cooper community in general is that people use ASSUMPTIONS to dismiss evidence or theories,,, that is poor analysis,, YOU USE FACTS, NOT ASSUMPTIONS. If there is EVIDENCE that eliminates Hahneman I want to see it,, I have been looking and I haven't found it... Regarding Hahneman, I have found very high level intervention and 100% false statements from the FBI.. either they were engaged in disinfo or grossly incompetent. Don't give me BS assumptions.
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It isn't weak, it is the preponderance of the evidence... your argument is the weak one. It requires assumptions. To reject Mexico as a destination you have to assume Cooper was lying and engaged in a ruse.. that makes no sense. It is not reasonable or rational to assume that Cooper knew his request to go to MEX nonstop in US was fake.. It just doesn't make sense that Cooper made a demand that he knew could not be achieved, would have to be rejected and renegotiated. Therefore, Cooper believed and wanted the plane to fly nonstop to MEX.. Once you get that it all makes sense. So, why? He didn't want to land anywhere in the US once he had the money and no passengers.. that would be a big risk. On the ground he could have been picked off by a sniper. He was vulnerable, especially if he had a fake bomb and no weapon. If he wanted to jump ASAP from the get go, then he could have demanded to fly almost anywhere.. and wouldn't care if the plane landed somewhere in the US. He specifically demanded no landing in the US FOR ANY REASON... but the tell,,, he changed his demand once Reno was in play. Once Cooper realized the plane was landing in Reno, he demanded aft stairs down on take off. Why the change,, he didn't want to be on the plane when it landed in Reno and jumping ASAP was his best option. Other factors, He was Latin/Mexican.. He was not dressed for a jump in the PNW weather.. The evidence supports the Mex theory. The argument against it requires assumptions to reject the evidence. A weaker position. Mex is big place, he could have directed the plane and jumped anywhere, so he was not specific by stating Mex.. Cooper making those initial demands wanted to be out of US airspace and authorities.. it all changed when Reno was in play.
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You don't understand the issue.. He opened stairs early AFTER Reno was in play and his plan changed. Why is this so hard to understand. Cooper plans to jump south of the US border, he demands no stops in the US, full fuel and aft stairs to be lowered inflight by the stew. The crew negotiates to land and refuel in Reno. Cooper changes his plan and now wants stairs open on takeoff so he can jump ASAP before the plane lands in Reno. Crew convinces Cooper to open stairs inflight, he still wants out ASAP... opens after takeoff and jumps after some trouble with the stairs. Your claim that he wouldn't want the stairs opened hours before Mexico makes no sense. Cooper changed his plan after Reno was in play, get it... Prior to Reno, Mexico makes perfect sense.. 1.) He wanted the plane in the air while his demands were being met. He is most vulnerable sitting on the ground. 2.) Cooper wanted Mex City OR anywhere in Mex no stopping in US.. that means somewhere S of the US border. 3.) He wanted out ASAP only after Reno stop was added. Why, he changed his demand from aft stairs opened inflight to open on takeoff. That change is a tell. 4.) You have that wrong.. if Reno was never in play there was no reason to open stairs right away. He opened early when his plan changed because the plane was going to land in Reno and he didn't want to be on the plane when it landed.. that is when he is most vulnerable. Further, Cooper was not dressed for a PNW jump. There is no way Cooper makes a demand to go to Mex nonstop that he knows is impossible and would be rejected by the pilots.. The only possibility is that Cooper wanted and believed the plane to go to somewhere in Mex nonstop in US... when that was rejected he changed his demand and his jump plan. The tell is the fact that Cooper changed his airstair demand when Reno was in play... if he wanted to jump in the PNW from the get go, there was no reason for it to change. Initial demand, MEX nonstop in US,, he wants stairs opened inflight Reno in play,, he changes and wants stairs open on take off.. that indicates his jump plan changed.
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I have been saying this forever,, COOPER's original demand was aft airstairs lowered inflight.. That is why he wanted to fly nonstop to Mex and that is why he wanted so much fuel.. When Reno was in play.. his plan changed, he wanted out earlier than he had planned. That means no ground accomplice, no specific landing spot,,, an ad hoc jump into an unknown area. Cooper's LZ was NOT his original plan. If not then where,, IMO, MEXICO more evidence,,, Harrison. Demands.. aft stair lowered in flight. Hard to read but it says aft stairs be extended after takeoff,, later changed..
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There were two books of matches... Cooper had a book that ran out, Tina attempted to throw it into the ashtray and he recovered the empty pack.. that empty book he recovered had notes written on it. That suggests he took the matchbook because of the note not the potential prints.. He left the cigarette butts,, no prints were found. Tina gave him the Sky Chef book to replace the empty book which he kept.
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The point is they were using unknown prints from a magazine Cooper was never seen using to eliminate suspects.. Some have claimed they never had Cooper's prints, I see why. and that Cooper didn't leave prints in the areas of the plane you'd expect to find them. No prints on the rear stair rail indicates gloves. Alice? said no gloves but she left in Seattle and I don't think Tina ever said that. The FBI at one point claimed they didn't have the evidence and the case was only solved if Cooper co-operated. If they didn't have Cooper's prints, how does the FBI put a suspect on the plane pre DNA. And what is the deal with the partial magazine? Was that the same one or a different one? Cooper may have used the tie to wipe for prints..
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It isn't meh,,, why do you even respond. This is important, it goes to the probability that the prints were from Cooper. The prints used to compare to suspects were from a magazine that nobody saw Cooper use. AND, there were prints from a partial magazine noted, was that the same one from the back of the seat or a different one? The first sweep of the plane found no prints of value. It looks like they may not have had Cooper's prints at all.
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CKRET aka FBI agent Carr.. "None of the prints lifted in the original sweep of the plane were of value. When it was discovered that none of the lifts could be used, agents were asked to go back on the plane and try again. The prints recovered that are of value came from a magazine found in the row of seats Cooper was sitting." "I cannot find any reference to Cooper reading a magazine." https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2011/07/the_curse_of_db_cooper_why_the.html "According to Ann Dietrich of the FBI’s Seattle field office, the FBIis testing a partial fingerprint against one from the in-flight magazine agents found in front of Cooper’s seat. I’ve seen this magazine in the files, and there were partial prints located all over it — presumably from different passengers. The flight made four stops that day, before picking Cooper up in Portland. So how does the Bureau know which partial print is Cooper’s?" The prints were sketchy.. The FBI does not know if they were Cooper's. Here they describe finding part of magazine.. and getting prints.. Is this (part) another magazine? Not the in-flight one from the seat back.
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The Village Voice page is in the book.
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“Elsinore" file 17 p 282, 283, 295, 286, 288, 299, 300, 301, 303, 304, 306, 315 file 19 p 79, 80 file 20 p 213 file 30 p 231 file 33 p 10, 304, 305, 308, 309 file 34 p 228, 290 file 40 p 416 file 48 p 69 file 51 p 245, 246, 249 file 52 p 34. 37
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FBI file #53 is posted https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper /d.b.-cooper-part-53-of-53/view Mostly news reports and the published Cooper bill list.. Noticed this gem,, the Cooper suspect min/max parameters..
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"palm print" search file 10 page 34, 194 file 18 page 74 file 27 page 110 file 30 page 153 file 39 page 445 file 45 page 173, 303, 304 file 51 page 209, 355
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Christmas Grinches pressured Shutter to remove the Christmas theme.. the same one used for years.. It looked fine, snowflakes suck up the ram though. Bring back Christmas....
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FBI file #52 page 190 FBI file #35 page 293
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Seattle FBI Special Agent in Charge Frank Montoya Jr.. claimed in the new vid they looked for cigarette butts and couldn't find them... don't know where they are. How can the FBI not know their own docs.. "it was discovered that this evidence had been destroyed years earlier in Las Vegas"
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Ulis has emerged from his lair deep inside an inactive Arizona volcano.. the one next to the Starbucks.. He claims the bomb was fake because "there is no reason for the bomb to have been real".. huh, say what.. Obviously we don't know if it was real or not, Eric's reasoning is silly and his typical use of fallacy. The other fallacy he uses is the fact that "no evidence was found".. so the path is wrong.. (other than the money) That is factually incorrect, no evidence was reported found by the FBI. (the placard was not from 305) Money or a briefcase could have been found but never reported. OR just never discovered. It wasn't all Weyerhaeuser land. It is even possible TBAR money was originally found by somebody and then discarded.. Eric was upset the show left too much info on the cutting room floor,,, old cliche but so true. I dabbled in the TV business long ago and their agenda is entertainment for the widest audience. This case is extreme in its detail and would lose a general audience if a show got too detailed.. A show that did a deep dive into the case would lose almost everyone.. except the Cooper sleuths.. Never expect too much from these shows..
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Crawford Wa.. is between Heisson and Battle Ground on the rail line. old map..
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I wrote a long detailed response but deleted it,, I just can't give away the details here and now. There is no upside.. On KC, it is a weak case. A bunch of weak correlations and "opinions" don't add up to be convincing. I can't prove he wasn't Cooper but there are probably thousands of people that you can make some case for. I'll repeat it,, there is no suspect on the same level as Hahneman. NONE Somebody should put together a suspect profile/matrix.. and tick boxes.