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Absolutely,,, The evidence does not support your idea, it is very poor.. there is nothing to support this. Cooper landed 25 miles N of Portland.. he had no foreknowledge or input of the planes location... that contradicts your "speculation".. You know this. What don't you understand. Speculation is necessary but bad speculation is a distraction. He didn't even actually jump near PDX. I also have three incompatible theories for TBAR, all fit the evidence.. clearly not all can be true. Good, speculation needs to fit the evidence (yours did not) be reasonable, plausible and based on logical inference.

I am criticizing your claim that it was because he had an accomplice or transportation,,, completely made up. ZERO indication of that... in fact, the evidence goes against this.. he had no input or foreknowledge of the planes location. He landed about 25 miles North of Portland.

He didn't need to.. but, I believe/theorize 305 was not his primary target.. His primary target landed in Portland earlier that day probably UAL.. He aborted that one for some reason and selected 305. I wouldn't be surprised if he had luggage left on that first flight.

Absolutely in this case to claim an accomplice or transportation... All speculation is not created equal... There is nothing to indicate those things ZERO. it is completely made up. My theories have a foundation have logical inferences with support,,, they are not completely made up. Not even close..

This is so simple.. Why would Cooper demand a flight to Mexico with no stops in US.. if it was impossible and would be renegotiated. He must have believed the plane could make Mexico when he made the demand. Either he is an idiot or his "fly dirty" demand was miscommunicated. WE know he had aviation experience so it is very unlikely he was wrong. He was knowledgeable about the fuelling procedure. So, his demand was miscommunicated. Now, rethink the entire hijacking with that in mind. Everything falls into place. Initially, he wanted to fly to Mexico. He would have given path instructions in the air and airstairs lowered in the air. When Reno was negotiated he decided to jump as soon as he could to avoid being on the plane at Reno. His jump at 8:11 was not a targeted LZ by time or place. He had no input or prior knowledge of the planes location/path.

From Cooper's perspective he wouldn't know the crew misunderstood his demand. Like "telephone" comms go to Tina then to the crew.. one word can change all meaning. Why skyjack PNW.. because that was not his first target. He stated Mexico City was his target destination (could refuel in Mexico) so that does not support the coastal route. He rejected large airports.. why, if he was jumping in the PNW.. Forget BG,, it is not relevant at all. Cooper could see lights... he jumped at 8:11 about 20 miles North of Portland. The other hijackers gave directions, Cooper did not.. because his initial plan was to give those directions in the air. You don't give them on the ground and give away tour intentions. From my notes... Cooper’s initial demand was airstair's lowered inflight, FACT,, he changed it later during negotiations with the crew and Reno was in play. FACT During negotiations Cooper rejected large airports for US refuelling but accepted the smaller Reno FACT.. why, likely because he thought he was still going to be on the plane.. but he then decided to jump early. Otherwise, he wouldn’t care what size airport they used to refuel. Cooper believed the plane could reach Mexico when he made his initial Mexico demand. This is a logical inference based on his aviation knowledge. It makes no sense to make a demand that was impossible and would be rejected. Ruse or not. Cooper’s initial demand was given to Tina then relayed by her to the crew. Cooper put on his chute after US fuelling stop negotiations. Cooper’s initial demand (airstair's lowered inflight) suggests the gear down flaps down configuration when he ordered the airstair's lowered inflight not from takeoff. Cooper never intended to jump near Portland, when Reno was in play he wanted to jump ASAP but was delayed having trouble with the stairs. Cooper gave no flightpath instructions. He did not know where the plane would be. Cooper would have given directions later in the air. He did not jump where he had planned. Cooper qualified the money as both “US” and “American”… suggesting a non US domestic connection. Cooper was described as Latin.. features and characteristics. Cooper was not dressed for a wet/cold PNW jump. Cooper could have flown anywhere and jumped anywhere and he ends up jumping where the hijacking started.. unlikely this is planned. It is ad hoc.

Ryan, you have the tie clip on the wrong side.

McNally was going much faster. So, it gets complicated because 727 the airstairs can gravity drop or hydraulic assist depending on how you operate the lever. We just don't know exactly how Cooper operated the lever but the error Cooper people make is assuming the light means the airstais are open.. the light only indicates the lever has been moved from its detent and is NOT locked. Then there is a button on top and you push and hold the lever forward. If Cooper didn't press the button or hold it forward but just moved the lever the light would go on but the airstairs would not open. The sled test is not really helpful because they knew how to open the airstairs. If operated correctly in gravity drop it opens 1-3 feet then weight on them pushes it open further.. Problem is we don't know exactly what Cooper did with the lever. It appears from the evidence that he did not operate it correctly until close to 8:05.

No, it is 8:11,,, I know what I am talking about,, the Cooper guys on FB screwed this all up. But that isn't really your point.. To open the airstairs you need to push the lever forward press a button on top and hold it there. Once the lever is moved from the locked position detent the light comes on but that doesn't mean the airstairs are "open".. At 7:40 he moves the lever from the detent but does not open the airstairs. IMO, it wasn't really the air pressure holding the airstairs up but rather Cooper had failed to operate the lever correctly. The plane wasn't moving that fast,, and other hijackers got out at higher speeds. By 8:05 he figured it out. There was no intentionally specific jump timing.

Cooper jumped at 8:11.. BG has nothing to do with anything. I was 8:11-8:15 until recently but now I can prove the FBI and Spangler were right and it was 8:11. That is 8:11 on the FBI map not Cunningham's bogus time alteration. Forget about BG. The airstair light is not the stairs open and down.. the airstair light only means the lever was moved form its detent and they are not locked. Cooper moved the lever but the airstairs didn't drop. He asked the pilots to slow down. It is unclear wether he didn't operate the lever correctly or the speed of the plane kept the stairs form falling, maybe both. The airstairs can be open and not down. Like I said my theory is that his demands were misunderstood by the crew going through Tina, initially he did not intend for the plane to fly dirty from takeoff but when the airstairs were lowered inflight. He would have given directions and order the airstairs down later while inflight probable outside the US. Remember, Cooper rejected large US airports for refuelling, that can only mean he was still thinking he would be on the plane. Cooper didn't fight the fuel stop... he also didn't fight the missing D Rings or the lack of a knapsack.. When Reno was in play he just decided to jump early. Why is selecting a short flight meaninglful,, he could have hijacked a long flight and have it land anywhere including short. Cooper had zero input on the plane's path, none. That plane could have been anywhere on roughly a 130 mile horizontal line heading south. There is no way he would know were it would be when he was jumping, he did not plan that spot. This is not debatable, Cooper did not know/plan his jump spot. Cooper wanted out before Reno and as soon as he could he just jumped. No targeted LZ. Since the jump was ad hoc, no accomplice or transportation waiting,,,

Nope, he jumps at 8:11 but he was struggling to get the airstairs down, it is in the files.

Way too much unsupported speculation,,, 1. Irrelevant, Cooper did not jump at BG. 2. Irrelevant, Cooper did not jump at BG. 3. His jump was delayed due to trouble with the airstairs, did I mention Cooper did not jump at BG. It isn't entirely clear if the pilots or Cooper first suggested lowering airstairs on take off but Cooper did fight the pilots to have the airstairs open because Reno was in play. The pilots wanted to get Tina off the plane. He rejected refuelling at large US airports,, why if he was jumping in the PNW.. because at that time he was still thinking he would on the plane. If he was thinking he was still going to be on the plane for Reno then his PNW jump was not his planned jump, it was ad hoc. Cooper did not know where the plane would be, it had roughly a 120 mile wide range it could have been from the Ocean to the mountains heading South. NO WAY he knew where it would be, had transportation waiting or an accomplice. My theory is that he wanted to get out of the US and then give directions and lower the airstairs to jump.

Still makes no sense for Cooper to plan to jump near PDX..

Not necessarily.

There is speculation and there is speculation.. what you said has zero to back it up. What I am saying is not proven but has some support. Not the same.

No, that isn't how the case moves forward. There are legitimate issues to work out. Maybe, I am the only that sees them..

The crew was told in error they were coming from McChord. Tina told Cooper about McChord. But if he was military he would likely know where McChord was.. I don't see the McChord thing proving he planned it.

That is pure speculation. There is no indication of an accomplice or waiting transportation. Jumping near PDX where he started makes no sense to me.. it is risky everyone knows about him, he would have to jump North of Vancouver. I know he jumped at 8:11...

Why would Cooper want to jump where he started? We know he rejected US airports for refuelling and gave no flight directions.

Yes, he said going to Mexico City or any place in Mexico, can't land in US for any reason. So flying dirty the plane could not make Mexico.. Either Cooper made an error or his flying dirty demand was misunderstood. I lean heavily to his demand misunderstood because it was relayed via Tina.

Yes, I know. Cooper demanded nonstop to Mexico not Mexico City. Flying dirty was the problem. How does he make that error.. Most likely, he didn't. My theory is that he initially wanted it to fly dirty when the airstairs were lowered inflight not from takeoff and he would direct the plane location and lowering of airstairs inflight. When Reno was in play he wanted airstairs lowered on takeoff to jump ASAP and that means fly dirty from takeoff as well. That is what happened but not his initial plan. This means he wanted to jump futher south.

Yes, this is mostly subjective so I won't claim you are wrong,, I try to use Bayesian analysis for these Cooper case "uncertainties" and it has worked very well so far. #1. The puddle jump idea is sound reasoning but not confirmed by the evidence. Hahneman hijacked a longer flight but had it land at a nearer location. He also delayed the flight by having it land again to get a different denomination. But if Cooper's original LZ was much further south an earlier flight may produce a night jump. #2. After Reno was in play Cooper wanted stairs open on takeoff but he agreed to up, he had difficulty getting them down and that delayed his exit. Most believe he wanted to jump ASAP.. I differ only that this was his not his initial plan. There is no way he targeting his LZ, he had no pre knowledge of the planes location. This is almost universally accepted by Cooper experts. #3. The Sky Chefs matchbooks don't prove it but supports the theory. UAL did publish the plane models.. if Cooper flew into Portland that is a huge risk to carry the "bomb" real or fake.. another reason I think that flight was his first target but aborted. #4 Chutes coming from McChord was an error conveyed to the crew. Cooper never asked for chutes from McChord. So, using Bayesian analysis I use what is most probable not what is possible.. the possibilities do not advance the case. You are expressing a long held belief that Cooper wanted the longest distance to jump early and a greater search area.. I don't accept this, there is no evidence for it and it is pure speculation started years ago. I have another theory which is detailed and I have expressed many times before. I don't want to go down that rabbit hole but briefly Cooper's demands were conveyed to the cockpit via Tina. Cooper never intended the plane to fly dirty all the way, it was a miscommunication via Tina, He intended the plane to fly dirty when the airstairs were lowered inflight which was his initial demand. There is no way Cooper made a demand to fly to Mexico nonstop knowing that was not achievable and would be rejected, he believed it could make it. He had aviation knowledge and there is no way he made an error in range. Additionally since he gave no flight directions, I believe he was going to that later in the flight but when Reno came into play he decided to jump ASAP. He also rejected large US airports for refuelling, why if he was jumping in the PNW anyway. He was still thinking he was going to be on the plane when it stopped for fuel.

I have been at this case for over 10 years now and have never had any idea or theory for how Cooper got to PDX or selected 305.. I had just assumed he planned 305.. maybe he did, but maybe not. I am 100% convinced that he did not plan to jump in the PNW and it was an early jump due to the plane landing in Reno. The problem I always had was that the plane flew North to Seattle then he demanded South fly to Mexico burning excess fuel. His request to fly to Mexico form Seattle being out of fuel range is also significant. The Sky Chefs matches indicate he may have flown into PDX.. not proof. But, when I thought about it, there is nothing that actually confirms he planned 305, we all assumed it. To your points. My take, #1. Yes, Cooper wanted a night jump. So did Hahneman, he hijacked much earlier in the day but delayed the plane to ensure a night jump, his flight was longer. Again, I believe Cooper wanted to jump much later and further south. #2. I do not believe Cooper wanted to jump in the PNW or that he had a specific V23 LZ. He decided to jump ASAP before the plane landed in Reno. Cooper's LZ was ad hoc. #3. UAL owned Sky Chefs, flew into Portland and had 727's listed on its schedule. Cooper was likely from back East.. Does anybody think Cooper didn't do a dry run on a 727. #4. There is no indication he wanted chutes from McChord. The crew erred telling him they were coming from McChord to which he responded. Cooper was familiar with McChord but that had nothing to do with obtaining the chutes. Admittedly this is a theory,, he flew into PDX on a 727 possibly UAL, that was his initial hijacking plan but was aborted perhaps due to perceived sky marshals. At PDX he chose 305.. There was no indication at all how he got to PDX,, taxi, bus, walk, hotels, ride from a friend, nothing panned out. So, how does he get to PDX with a Sky Chefs matchbook.. either he flew in or he got it at the airport or from Tina.

Shutter's website looks to be gone..

yup, but I don't believe he planned a PNW jump... it was due to Reno being in play.