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He didn't care about the west coast because he was going jump south of the US border. His goal was to get the plane going toward Mexico City, landing in Mexico to refuel give directions inflight. He did nothing to prevent the crew from flying out over the ocean from Seattle which they seriously considered. That indicates he was not concerned. My theory makes sense and reconciles a bunch of things that have been unresolved. Hahneman flew across the Gulf of Mexico chased by military jets.

I am not looking for credit... I just want the truth.

Who ever said it is beneficial,, the point was the crew considered flying out over the Ocean from Seattle and they could have. Cooper never said anything like.. hey don't fly out over the Ocean from Seattle. He didn't care about the ocean so why would he care about LA or SF which could have been approached by land. The fact that he didn't care about the plane going out over the ocean from Seattle supports the later jump plan and contradicts his jump as being targeted. If they went out over the ocean from Seattle he couldn't jump.

Ryan, you lied when you said I was claiming my theory was fact... Yet you are essentially telling everyone on this message board right now that you KNOW FOR A FACT that Cooper flew in from somewhere else and didn't drive himself to Portland or have an accomplice who dropped him off. The reason was to discredit me. I never claimed it was fact, I said it was a theory. You always do this, you play the strawman garbage when you are challenged on something for some personal revenge.. You falsely restate my position then attack it.. It is dishonest. You were wrong about Hahneman's flight refuelling but that isn't good enough, you have to keep going,, My theory is based on much more than what Cooper was thinking.. there you go lying again. You are such a waste of time. I cut you slack and you go right back to your nonsense. Good luck getting anywhere in this case... Just put me on ignore..

and Ryan, you still have the placard messed up.. The type of placard found was assigned to 727's with the optional emergency airstair release,, 305 did not have that option. You keep claiming the placard is seen intact in the image of 305.. that placard is not the same one that was found in the woods.. The hicks placard or one matching it was never on 305. You keep claiming your photo of 305 proves the Hicks placard isn't from 305.. Shutter and I proved years ago that 305 never had that type of placard at all.. Your conclusion is correct but your argument is wrong.

I know he didn't mentioned v23, I mentioned it because v23 would still be taken to those other destinations.. The coastal argument doesn't make sense because they could have taken the coast from Seattle and Cooper never said anything about it.

I think so,,, it is in Rataczak's Northwest video presentation.. Doesn't really matter.. LA and SF would have flown V-23.. San Fran is just barely W of Red Bluff and LA is actually E of Red Bluff.. they didn't have to stick on V-23. So, no reason to reject those Airports.

It was NOT a legit 30 minute wait, he was delayed because he couldn't get the airstairs down. You keep making this bogus claim. Wrong,,, Cooper began putting on the back chute after accepting the range limitation from the crew... The fact that Cooper rejected large airports for US refuelling indicates he was at least considering still being on the plane. At some point in the refuelling negotiations he put on the back chute..

So, the plane was still going to Mexico after Reno... the only change was refuelling in US vs Mexico.. He rejected large US airports for refuelling, that means he still expected to be on the plane in Reno.. and was concerned about the airport. But, he just decided, right or wrong that he would jump before Reno, we aren't in his head or understand his perception at the time, maybe he just got worried about getting rushed on the ground in Reno.. that makes sense if he didn't have a gun. If he was rushed on the ground in Reno with a fake bomb he was dead, if he was rushed with a real bomb he was dead. Maybe jumping early was the best option given the circumstances. because we don't know exactly why he decided to jump early doesn't mean it didn't happen.

This is actually a great question for a change. The range on the 727's varied by model and year,, it was 1800 miles from Dulles to Honduras,, but the plane landed in Mexico after the jump, another 500 miles, plus the big loop, close to 2500 miles.. So, it did need to refuel. Hahneman was very helpful to the crew and told them were to fly avoid mountains and make it to a safe landing. That plane had to refuel.. why pick New Orleans,, he lived there, his father died and is buried there, maybe some emotional thing. but 100% it did need to refuel. I just realized something.. it was 1500 miles to Mexico from Dulles, across the Gulf Mexico,, planes don't fly close to their limit especially over water but that may be why he chose New Orleans for fuel..

That is a lie,, I said it was a theory. Stop straw-manning. You always resort to lies Ryan.. You want low level speculation go back to FB..

His goal is the money..

Huh, he did change his mind, that is the point. Why do you spin this to attack me.

because you have no evidence, no logical inference, no argument, no idea that support in any way shape or form that Cooper had an accomplice or transportation at PDX.. Further, he jumped about 25 miles N of PDX... Cooper did not target PDX.. Your response to my question is nonsense.

He said no stopping in US for any reason, can refuel in Mexico,, to fuel in the US is his the change/acceptance, it is minor.. the flight would still be going to Mexico. His main goal is not compromised. The evidence is clear.. he did not know where the plane would be where he jumped. He gave no directions.. it was ad hoc.. After Reno was in play, he altered his demand from airstairs lowered inflight to down on takeoff indicating a plan alteration... he was convinced to up on takeoff. The fact that Cooper gave no directions seals it... that would have been done inflight just like the other hijackers. The evidence is there... I don't need to explain anything else. You will never get this if you still think Cooper knew where the plane would be and targeted his LZ.. He didn't, there is no evidence or argument that makes that work.

It does not hit a wall because we don't know exactly why Cooper did or didn't do something.. your logic is backasswards. He also did not demand a knapsack when he didn't get one. We don't know why that is.. Maybe he thought they have to refuel in Mexico anyway so he'll allow them to refuel in the US and be on the plane. But, decided screw it I can just jump I have the money.. Point is you are rejecting a sound theory based on your own assumption,, very bad logic. You don't have to accept a theory but never reject on an assumption.

um, because he actually did demand a flight to Mexico nonstop... Now, you are claiming to know his inner thoughts... It is clear you do not grasp this issue.. Cooper boarded 305 with a plan to jump South of the US,, his initial demands were slightly misunderstood, that caused Reno to be in play, he then decided to jump as soon as he could to avoid Reno. That was at 8:11 about 25 miles N of Portland.. making his jump not targeted and ad hoc. No accomplice, no transportation waiting, nothing to do with PDX... This is supported by evidence and contradicted by none. I get that people want to add layers of unsupported speculation.. it makes for fun conversation but does not help to advance the case.

That is for sure. I apply Bayesian analysis, maybe you should try it. You still can't back up your claim or explain the case incompatibility. It is just made up nonsense.

Absolutely,,, The evidence does not support your idea, it is very poor.. there is nothing to support this. Cooper landed 25 miles N of Portland.. he had no foreknowledge or input of the planes location... that contradicts your "speculation".. You know this. What don't you understand. Speculation is necessary but bad speculation is a distraction. He didn't even actually jump near PDX. I also have three incompatible theories for TBAR, all fit the evidence.. clearly not all can be true. Good, speculation needs to fit the evidence (yours did not) be reasonable, plausible and based on logical inference.

I am criticizing your claim that it was because he had an accomplice or transportation,,, completely made up. ZERO indication of that... in fact, the evidence goes against this.. he had no input or foreknowledge of the planes location. He landed about 25 miles North of Portland.

He didn't need to.. but, I believe/theorize 305 was not his primary target.. His primary target landed in Portland earlier that day probably UAL.. He aborted that one for some reason and selected 305. I wouldn't be surprised if he had luggage left on that first flight.

Absolutely in this case to claim an accomplice or transportation... All speculation is not created equal... There is nothing to indicate those things ZERO. it is completely made up. My theories have a foundation have logical inferences with support,,, they are not completely made up. Not even close..

This is so simple.. Why would Cooper demand a flight to Mexico with no stops in US.. if it was impossible and would be renegotiated. He must have believed the plane could make Mexico when he made the demand. Either he is an idiot or his "fly dirty" demand was miscommunicated. WE know he had aviation experience so it is very unlikely he was wrong. He was knowledgeable about the fuelling procedure. So, his demand was miscommunicated. Now, rethink the entire hijacking with that in mind. Everything falls into place. Initially, he wanted to fly to Mexico. He would have given path instructions in the air and airstairs lowered in the air. When Reno was negotiated he decided to jump as soon as he could to avoid being on the plane at Reno. His jump at 8:11 was not a targeted LZ by time or place. He had no input or prior knowledge of the planes location/path.

From Cooper's perspective he wouldn't know the crew misunderstood his demand. Like "telephone" comms go to Tina then to the crew.. one word can change all meaning. Why skyjack PNW.. because that was not his first target. He stated Mexico City was his target destination (could refuel in Mexico) so that does not support the coastal route. He rejected large airports.. why, if he was jumping in the PNW.. Forget BG,, it is not relevant at all. Cooper could see lights... he jumped at 8:11 about 20 miles North of Portland. The other hijackers gave directions, Cooper did not.. because his initial plan was to give those directions in the air. You don't give them on the ground and give away tour intentions. From my notes... Cooper’s initial demand was airstair's lowered inflight, FACT,, he changed it later during negotiations with the crew and Reno was in play. FACT During negotiations Cooper rejected large airports for US refuelling but accepted the smaller Reno FACT.. why, likely because he thought he was still going to be on the plane.. but he then decided to jump early. Otherwise, he wouldn’t care what size airport they used to refuel. Cooper believed the plane could reach Mexico when he made his initial Mexico demand. This is a logical inference based on his aviation knowledge. It makes no sense to make a demand that was impossible and would be rejected. Ruse or not. Cooper’s initial demand was given to Tina then relayed by her to the crew. Cooper put on his chute after US fuelling stop negotiations. Cooper’s initial demand (airstair's lowered inflight) suggests the gear down flaps down configuration when he ordered the airstair's lowered inflight not from takeoff. Cooper never intended to jump near Portland, when Reno was in play he wanted to jump ASAP but was delayed having trouble with the stairs. Cooper gave no flightpath instructions. He did not know where the plane would be. Cooper would have given directions later in the air. He did not jump where he had planned. Cooper qualified the money as both “US” and “American”… suggesting a non US domestic connection. Cooper was described as Latin.. features and characteristics. Cooper was not dressed for a wet/cold PNW jump. Cooper could have flown anywhere and jumped anywhere and he ends up jumping where the hijacking started.. unlikely this is planned. It is ad hoc.

Ryan, you have the tie clip on the wrong side.