FLYJACK

You have nothing.. nothing whatsoever. Stick to your dredge theory... Everybody now understands the difference between a packet and a bundle except you.

Complete nonsense.. it took you about 6 years to figure out the difference between a packet and a bundle.. You ridiculed the idea because you thought it was only my idea, It was the same conclusion in the Palmer report, released after I first mentioned it on Shutters site.. This is the best TBAR theory by a long shot,, nothing else is even close.

Bacteria is random, the TBAR outer wear is uniform. If the outer wear was in situ you'd expect the same ingress all around, it isn't.. The height ingress is about half the erosion for the length. Some have previously claimed wet dry cycles,, then you'd expect the same percentage all around, it isn't even close. Images of buried and damaged money are just NOT uniform like this. This pattern is consistent with rolling/tumbling along the River bottom and for some distance. It is the best explanation for TBAR money,, by a long shot. Unfortunately, it is only half the answer.. How did it get into the River?

No idea what you are on about.. you sound confused.

Years ago I noticed that U-CART where Dwayne worked was virtually under the flight path.. the rear parking area bordered a wooded area with a pond.. Perhaps Dwayne found some money there and staged the find with Brian.. Ultimately I rejected it. The condition of the money does not fit a plant. Rubber bands crumbled when picked up. Money was wet and deteriorated. Money was tested and had river sand. Dwayne said he told Brian where to clear a spot. If he was staging it he probably wouldn't admit that. Cooper jumped at 8:11. I did a new analysis and it also confirmed 8:11. U-Cart would be 5-6 minutes later. You'd expect eventually somebody in Dwayne's family to talk. The erosion on the money looked to me like it had rolled along the bottom, no other buried money images look like that, when the Palmer report got released they also reached that same conclusion. I am 95% that money rolled along the bottom of the River for some distance to TBAR when the water level was above the money spot which is well below flood stage. How it got in the River... that is a real tough one. U-CART..

There is nothing suspicious about directing your young son to a spot to clear for a fire. The condition of the money and the rubber bands crumbling contradicts a plant theory.. There is nothing to support a plant. I looked into this a long time ago when I discovered that Dwayne Ingram's work place was under the flight path.. ultimately nope. the condition of the money contradicts a plant.

Go and find images of buried money... nothing looks like this. The uniform erosion of TBAR is definitely from tumbling/rolling. The tumbling/rolling along the bottom is the best theory by a long shot.. nothing else is even close.. this is the easy part. You need to accept it, resistance is futile.. I lean towards it being only three packets vs five in a single bundle.. no more money was found and it is hard to imagine another bundle or two coming out from inside a rubber banded bundle to disappear somewhere. We can also assume the rubber bands still had their elasticity when it went into the River. As for how it got into the River, that is tougher one to noodle. It travelled some distance along the bottom so TBAR itself is out of the picture. Did it fall from the plane over the Columbia, perhaps in the overcoat left on the stairs.. Diatoms? Did somebody toss it in the River to dispose of it? Is it money Cooper gave to the stews or for a ride,, Did somebody find it get scared and toss it? Did it get mistakenly tossed into the dump next to the Columbia River at the confluence of the Willamette? Was it hidden in something? Did it get moved into the River by natural means? Was it moved from downstream via clamshell dredge/barge then dumped into the River? They did this.. Does this indicate Cooper survived,, not really,, Does this indicate he lost the money in the jump, not necessarily,,

I have put the piles back into the packets...

You never are.. the Palmer team was there and they believed the money came from the River and the wear indicated a rolling.. I agree, I have never found any images of buried money that looks anything like the TBAR wear. They had a hydrologist who never even mentioned the possibility of human burial. The TBAR money wear indicates a rolling along the bottom. There is no evidence for a plant and it makes no sense. It is not a reasonable theory. If you guys want to remain in denial be my guest.. The hard part is figuring out how it got into the River..

Sure, finding Cooper doesn't depend on a bunch of things.

No, the rubber bands were not compromised, the money was, it was wet. And the rounded wear was on the ends of the packets.. indicating a tumbling end over end,, the rubber bands around the middle would not have the same impact. Haven't you been paying attention.. This is simple stuff..

um, it is in the Palmer report, have you read it. Tell me what you know that they didn't.

River rocks are round for a reason.. abrasion I am sure if the money kept rolling for long enough the rubber bands would eventually break. River rocks don't roll on sandy bottoms like money would... they hit each other. The money sinks due to density but if the density is barely more than the water it will sink but still have a buoyancy and be moved easily in the water. A rock is more dense and needs far more current to move it. Buoyancy is key factor for movement in a river.. Comparing rocks to linen/cotton is silly. and for the money, the ends were missing/rounded the most, not the top and bottom or through the center of the stack.. the erosion matches tumbling or rolling exactly as the Palmer report states. If the bills eroded in situ the erosion pattern would be different. If you want to keep deny it, go ahead. I am not interested, there is no debate here..

It gets pushed along the bottom by the current,, it would have some buoyancy and not take much to move it.. rolls to its position when the water level is above that spot effectively making it the bottom. That spot is well below flood stage and often covered by water.

It makes sense to me and the Palmer team. The money was wet and the rubber bands would have less impact with the bottom due to their location,, the money would roll end over end causing a rounding just like the TBAR money..

Nope, the bundles were wet and rolling along the sandy bottom would round them off without affecting the rubber bands. Rubber bands stay on because they are elastic and stretched, the bills were wet,, so they didn't need much impact to round them off. It makes perfect sense. It made sense to the Palmer team and it makes sense to me. The Palmer report identified the rounded off edges as indicating a rolling motion in the River. Simple physics. The bills did not rot elsewhere. they were rounded off tumbling along the bottom, the shards came off of the remaining stack. The shards were not from the outer edges they were from the top/bottom bills interior. Your shards argument is invalid. I have seen many images of buried money and none looked as uniform as the TBAR money. I am 99% convinced the money rolled along the bottom for some length, at least a few miles. Human burial makes no sense.. to claim it only needs a reason is a huge problem. There is zero evidence and contradictory evidence. both of you guys are using your own assumptions, not the evidence. both you guys claim that river tumbling makes no sense or is laughable when the it is in THE PALMER REPORT. AND the Palmer team including the hydrologist NEVER even mentioned human burial as a possibility.

Georger, The only thing laughable is your lack of case knowledge after almost 15 years on this case.. The Palmer report identified the rounded money as indicating a rolling motion in the River.

I don't think TBAR will ever be solved,, just some theories ranging from nonsense to possible.

Human burial makes no sense. It is in the worst spot and what for? You are still making up a theories.. TBAR was accessible but not a common place with easy access, some locals and fisherman. Look at a map of Frenchman's Bar.. a road in and parking. The money was rounded off about 50% around the outside of the packets. I have seen buried money images and it doesn't look as uniformly eroded as TBAR money. The shards don't account for the outer erosion. Palmer suggested tumbling, we don't know for sure but it is consistent with tumbling end over end. The money looks like a wet bundle rolled end over end along a sandy river bottom. The absolute simplest theory is that it went into the river and was pushed onto TBAR. The closest public access beach upstream is Frenchman's Bar about 2 miles away. There is nothing to indicate it was human buried for any reason. and we aren't 100% certain the money was ever given to Cooper,, maybe 98%...

Yes, money bundles sink, but they still have buoyancy even on the bottom. That area of the river is sandy with almost no snags (I posted a video of the river bottom off TBAR) and a bundle can be pushed along the bottom by current. So, I like Frenchman's Bar as an entry point,, 2 miles upstream, same side of river, easy access with a parking lot.. Probably tossed into the river inside a paper bag or container.. which could float for some time. Maybe sinks,, money gets rolled onto its spot when the water is above the spot (usually Spring time). and no the money spot was well below flood stage. If I recall the flood stage starts at 11 feet, the money spot is about 6 feet. You don't need a flood, just high water above the money spot. The burial/plant thing doesn't make any sense, it is the worst spot to bury money. If you wanted to bury money there are a million better spots close by. Also, the bills were rounded off edgewise which suggests tumbling like along a sandy river bottom. End over end. What I really wish we knew,, did the money arrive closer to the hijacking or closer to the find?? that would help immensely.

TBAR was used by some locals.. not a common "public" place.. Frenchman's Bar 2 miles upstream was a popular public beach area with parking. The money spot was at the high water line often underwater, Fazio's said in 1980 that it was recently underwater. The money was found feet from the bordering property.. It is not a place to plant money intended to be found. But, the stew money is one of my top three TBAR theories... I just don't see anyway it was planted to be found or TBAR had any "Tina" meaning.. in my stew theory it was just discarded upstream to get rid of it.. probably tossed at Frenchman's Bar in a brown paper bag. Landing on TBAR was just a coincidence.

Fact is.. you don't know what he said or what he meant, you are assuming.. I pointed out earlier that he might have been referring to Minnesota "Nice" describing the people which was a subtle form of racism pre-Norjak.. If he was that might tell us something about Cooper. But you choose to ridicule something that you don't even understand. You do this to remain relevant.. Nobody knows what he meant, except Cooper.

The money offered to the stews ending up at TBAR is a valid theory but it is not reasonable that "Tena" Bar was related to "Tina".. There would not be any expectation of that money to be found, it was a one in a million random event that Brian found it. If somebody wanted to send a message they would have hung it from the Tena Bar sign or put it in some place so obvious it would be found. TBAR money was not meant to be found. Ryan's restaurant analogy is off.. the money would not have been left inside on the table, it would have been tossed in the garbage out back, not meant to be found. The highest probability is that the money came from the river, either discarded and tossed in upstream or unintentionally introduced into the river.. Extremely low probability, it never went to Cooper and the FBI ransom list is wrong.

Georger often plays fast and loose with the facts... and makes assumptions. Tina's 302 does not say that Cooper said "Minnesota is "very" nice country" It reports that.. after she said she was living in Minneapolis.. He INDICATED that MINNEAPOLIS Minn, was very nice country. So, neither Georger or Ryan actually knows his words or what he meant. Nobody does. He was actually responding and referring to Minneapolis.. which is a city. This is Tina's interpretation,, Cooper could have meant many things.

He was given 200k... The bank ransom stash was actually 250k but 20k was in $10's.. So, the micro list created by the bank and given to the FBI had ALL $250k on it. The FBI could ignore the $10's but had to eliminate 1500 $20's on the list that didn't go to Cooper. The FBI most likely eliminated the correct 1500 bills but we can't double check their process. So, there is still a very small possibility they messed up the elimination of those 1500 bills not used for Cooper and went back into a second bank ransom stash. They even admitted they were having difficulty. It is interesting but can't be resolved without the full original micro from the bank.