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A: By the school phoning the parents, or the parents phoning the school if it was sufficiently important! Surely if your kid's in school, then the school itself is the appropriate point of contact. Would you (as a parent) ever consider just walking unannounced into the middle of your kids class to tell them something?.. Or would you leave word at the school office? I honestly CAN'T imagine ANY situation where direct contact with one of my kids when they're in school isn't better served by contacting the school itself for a message to be passed on. Same with a kid wanting to contact you! IF it's that important, then your kid can get the school office to phone, can't they? ANdD... As for the "9/11-Argument"...... IF your office has just been hit by a plane, then you're either in no position to call, or you're able to call the school. IF your kids school is hit by a plane, then either your kid's phone is switched off for lessons, so you can't get through, or your kids phone isn't working any more! SURELY you'd be phoning the school or Education agency for information, NOT your kid, who's probably left his phone in the schoolbag left behind in class during the evac! Finally, while your kid's in school, and they're then responsible for your kid, then shouldn't you give them their place? Would you, for example, tolerate the school phoning your kid direct at home without you rpermission / knowedge and not keeping you informed? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Yes. Absolutely. In fact RUSI did a report to the effect that toppling Saddam Hussein would destroy Iraq. A civil war splitting the country into three which would make Yugoslavia look like a toddlers tea party! THAT report came out back in 1990! And lo... Having toppled Saddam Hussein, the country has descended into civil war! WHY are our troops sitting in the middle of such a war. WHY are we building permanent bases there? Are the Coalition troops some sort of professional Resident-Aunt-Sallys? Our troops certainly aren't going to prevent the inevitable civil war there. All that'll happen is that our troops get shot at and blamed! WHY THE FECK aren't we withdrawing to Saudi & Kuwait... Or ANY bit of MMFD where we DON'T get shot at!!? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

... And I want to know why the Feck they're still there!? I supported the war! I still do! I honestly believe that Iraq HAD to be liberated from the Ba'Athists & Saddam Hussein! I quite frankly didn't give a Flying-Feck about the WMDs or lack thereof. This was (at first) a matter of liberating the Iraqi people and giving them the opportunity to make choices about their future. Well... Job done. Hussein & the Ba'Athists are toppled. Towns & cities are under control of an elected council. National elections have been held. The core of a new Iraqi police & military have been trained in neighbouring countries.... Time to come home and leave the Iraqi's to the self-determination which we are so fond of preaching. Unless, of course, our troops are still there to follow some half-arsed hidden agenda to match the half-arsed plan!? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Awww... the kitty is so CUTE! I'm sure the women crying for their decapitated children will be comforted by that. AND... I'm sure that there were similar pics of German Soldiers from Belgium in 1914, when "The Hun" were taking 5 minutes off from bayonetting babies! It's called "The Propaganda War" and it never stops. For example, last week in Basra: All those poor innocent Iraqi kiddies & civilians were being butchered by The Brits and the insurgents had to defend them with mortar fire.... Which is why all the injured-innocents have shrapnel wounds from mortar bombs! And the cry: "It wasn't our fault! We were only defending ourselves!" goes up from BOTH sides for consumption by their respective supporters who can then believe that theirs are the forces of light and good. Just remember... Germany only invaded Poland AFTER the Poles attacked German border posts, AND then rejected Germany's perfectly reasonable demands for annexation of The Danzig Corridor! The fact that Germany then took over HALF of Poland could well be explained by the substandard brakes and excessively long stopping distance of the PanzerKampfWagen III. It was the same problem in The SudetenLand: "Zer road Vas Greasy... It Vas downhill... Und zer verdammt tank vould nicht schtoppen until it gebumpten into Kosice Town Hall!" Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

AMERICA DID NOT LOSE THE VIETNAM WAR!!!!! I have done A LOT of research into this watching everything from "The Green Berets" right through ALL the Rambo films, Apocalypse now, FUll Metal Jacket, Tour of Duty, etc... Hourse and days and weeks of the stuff, and I can confirm that The Americans won EVERY TIME! What've you got? 5 minutes of crappy newsreel showing a few helicopters being pushed off ships decks wiff a Commie Commentator? Seriously... When the Viet-Minh had nearly ousted the French from Indo-China and were forcing them to grant independence to the colony, the French struck a hasty deal with ANYONE who wasn't part of the guerilla movement which has ousted them, then pulled the usual colonial trick of partitioning the country (the same trick that worked so well in The Congo, Ireland, Rwanda, Cyprus, Korea, Angola...) The resulting South Vietnamese Government were quite frankly a bunch of shits, but they were a bunch of shits who happened to be Anti-Communist (actually anti Ho-Chi-Minh who happened to call himself a Communist). That made them "OUR" bunch of Faschist-Dictator-Shits! Now... Neither the Chinese, nor the Americans wanted anything to do with Ho-Chi-Minh OR Ngo-Dinh-Diem. Both were more into personal power than actual political belief, but each leader successfully blackmailed their respective superpower sponsors into involvement in this war with: If you don't support us WE'LL LOSE!... And that'll send a message throughout Asia!" SO... This wasn't a war between Democracy & Communist Dictatorship. It was a war between a Communist Dictatorship and another bunch of totally corrupt, snout-in-the-trough dictators that didn't like the Communist Dictatorship! So... Strictly speaking, America AND China BOTH won the Vietnam war by getting the hell out from the vietnamese factions blackmails and leaving them to it! OK, the country was "labelled" Communist at the end of the civil war... But it was never a label which had any significance. Minh was about as communist as Pinochet! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Of course! It's only "fair" we allow other countries to have them. I mean, what right do we have to look after our own self-interests right to plan and wage aggressive war over the interests of other countries? What kind of country does that? A country which doesn't follow the "Nazi German Method" of preserving it's economy? Mike. PS: NUKES ARE DEFENSIVE WEAPONS!!!!! No one... NO ... ONE has ever managed to Use a Nuke offensively. It's even been cogently argues that Truman's sanction of nukes against Japan in 1945 was directed more at The Soviet Union and Stalin's suspected motives than at Japan! Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Well. I think she made a point which she obviously firmly believes in. If someone (such as a soldier) is killed, then it's God's Punishment for sinning. Fine. Fair enough. Since they believe this so firmly, I would assume that if "God's Wrath" were applied to them, perhaps by detonating an IED at their church, then charges couldn't be pressed by either the state or the survivors (if any). Everyone, regardless of opinion on this church, would surely give thanks to God for the bomb killing sinners! All the same, I'd kind'a like Lawrocket's opinion on this before we all start doing "God's Work" by pouring the Diesel & Coal-Dust into the fertiliser! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Heh heh. This reminds me of an old Cold War Joke: A Russian Tank General and an East German Infantry General meet each other at The Eiffel Tower. One says to the other: "By the way... Who won the air war?" Seriously. I doubt if the Iranian Army will even offer battle. They're bloody idiots if they do. America's ability to wage conventional war on the traditional European model is unrivalled. Their ability to deal with insurgency is frankly rubbish. Their TOE is completely geared to winning conventional battles like WWII with folk identifiable as combatants. But, it you take away that identification... Iran would play to it's strengths. America has a history of being defeated in a guerilla war since they cannot bring their military superiority to bear against an identified target and a steady stream of body bags will reinforce public opinion that American troops should come home, back nearer Hollywood where they can talk about being "The Best". Remember that Nixon won his presidency on a policy of bringing American Troops OUT of Vietnam. I could see a future president winning the election on a similar platform. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Yah, and how's that going for you guys? It's going great. Next t'ing is to invade Venezwaylia to stop 'em producing all that Cocaine! But first we is gonna hav'ta bring democratics to Mexico 'cos they're electing a Commie Guv'mint and they have oil a drugs problem!

Naah... "Forces in the region already stretched" + No Oil! = Israeli Problem!

Absolutely! In a conventional war, Iran's tactical & strategic situation is completley untenable. They're surrounded on all sides with less effective equipment than The US. America can invade whenever it's stockpiled sufficient supplies and simultaneous armoured drives from Afghanistan, Iraq, Kurdistan & Kuwait should see them in Tehran within a fortnight. I doubt the Iranian army will even offer battle. Of course, Iran will not wage a conventional war. That's why they're pursuing Nukes. Posession will make them uninvadable. Nukes will raise the invaders casualties to levels unacceptable to The American People. Failing that, the reason that The Iranian Army will not offer battle will be that The Iranian Army is now "The Iranian Maquis"! They're all sitting back in their villages wearing dish-dashes with the AK47 & semtex buried in a nearby vegetable patch and waiting for the phone to ring. THEN... Roadside bombs, guerilla attacks, render the country ungovernable, uncontrollable. Just like the Viet Minh. Just like Saddam Hussein said would happen were Iraq to be invaded. AND the Iranians WILL outnumber the American Forces. They can field all their 34, even 68 million people, active resistance AND innocent civilians - you tell the difference (unless of course Y'All were planning a genocide!)? Since America is playing "Away-From-Home", they have to leave their "innocent civilians at home to run the economy. For the Iranians (just like the Vietnamese & the Iraqis), the formula of target identification is simple: An American at home in America is an innocent civilian. An American in Iran (their country) can't exactly melt into their society and is by their very presence an invader. Kill the invader! Sure, were America to invade Iraq the "War" would be easy. The peace, however, will be unwinnable. Then who's next? My money's on that other well-known supporter of international terrorism and seeker of WMDs... Venezuela! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

...best in quality, not "cost". In fact, I said it was expensive too. If a significant segment of the population can't access the health care because it is driven by finances rather that patient need, then that system can't be "the best". It may be the most technically advanced, the shiniest, but if you can't afford it then it's completely useless. Take a motoring analogy. Suppose Rolls Royce were the only car makers. Their cars are beautiful, luxurious, etc... Arguably "The Best". But at $300K you can't afford one, no matter how much you may need to drive for whatever reason, so you're not gonna drive! The most that you can afford is one of the seats to carry around for when Y'All get tired walking. Or maybe a couple of wheels & an axle to help you push heavy shopping home. Same with health care. If you can't access this "superb" health care, then it's actually worse than useless to you! ... Cost wise, they run a cheap shop, but quality wise, it's lacking... Look at the various "horror stories" about The NHS & Canada's system in proportion. The main reason they make the news is because they're unusual. The overwhelming majority of folk get treated quickly & without fuss. Notice that most of the stories are "outrage" that the system is less than perfect. I wonder how many stories of "Medical Insurer refuses to pay for treatment! Cancels cover for chronic sufferer!" are out there? ...don't know what would or would not be covered. It's 31+ flavors over here.... Yeah... ANd very few of them would cover repeated skydiving without a BIG premium hike! It's classed as a "Dangerous Sport". What (I'm assured) WOULDN'T be covered by any insurer is me saying to my Orthopaedic Consultant "How about taking these pins & stuff out. I'm a bit worried about doing my ankle again on a skydive with these pins & stuff in." and him saying "Sure. We'll take half of the stuff out now, and the rest in about 6 months. You'll need 2 hospital stays & post-op with physio after each of these ops that aren't strictly necessary but may be a good idea. Let's do it. You'll have to wait 6 weeks for the first op." (Damn waiting lists). ...falling into the idea that stuff should be handed to them. The sense of entitlement is disturbing. It's not about automatic entitlement, it's about whether a person should receive medical care & treatment according to their wealth or their need. If you believe that treatment is for those who can afford it is the proper course, then your system is great. If you believe that treatment is for those who need it, then Socialised Medicine is the superior system. Incidentally, if you happen to value your time, want to schedule appointments for treatment, or want to skip waiting lists for elective stuff, then you can get private health insurance in the UK (And I believe Canada). As I said in a previous post, this insurance is dirt cheap here since it's tailored to supplement the Socialised medicine rather than supplant it. Once again, I suspect this is a cultural thing with each side of "The Pond" being happiest with what they're most familiar with. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

And how much of your current tax burden goes to pay for that? Britain spends less than half per person on health care compared to The US system. In effect, my "tax-Burden" is around 40% of what you'll pay for medical insurance at a typical US level of cover.

Bear in mind that under our system, I pay $0 for doctor visits & $0 for prescriptions. $0 for hosptial visits. $0 for operations. $0 for CT & MRI Scans. Etc... And... Given that my present condition is perhaps chronic, I DON'T have to worry about my "Medical Insurance" NOT BEING RENEWED!!! I only have to worry about getting better. Not whether I can afford treatment or medication I need! Not whether my insurance company will continue to make a loss on me year after year! Like I said, being ill is a singularly crap time to have to worry about money! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Do you REALLY think that US Health care gives good value? Look out your medical insurance & pop down to the company office. Admire the big glass skyscraper. Drool over the Mercedes' Lexus & Cadillacs in the senior executives parking lot. Look at how full the parking lot is. Loads of folk working there. You bought all that. Bought it with the money that the private insurance company took off you and DIDN'T spend on your health! Imagine the level of health care you COULD have if there wasn't someone in the middle of the patient/medicine market taking a big slice of the money for their own personal profit! EVERY socialised medical program in the world runs it's equivalent service at less cost per capita than the US - half or less is commonly quoted. Plus, they don't try and dodge expensive care programs like geriatric care! Plus, you don't have to worry about if your insurance will pay out (agree) to a course of treatment. That's properly a decision for your doctor, NOT some bloke with his eye on the quarterly profit figures. Plus, you don't have to worry about losing your health cover along with your job. Being ill is a singularly crap time to worry about whether the money'll be there to cure you! With Socialised Medicine that question never arises!

It's not about using the Euro, it's about The Euro becoming a convertible currency for oil trading and then used as the dominant reserve currency by the world's countries. In this case, I've certainly showed a distinct correlation between several countries action and US reaction. My own belief is that the Euro Egg came first. I certainly saw no vilification of President Chavez UNTIL he moved to allow oil trading in Euros. Suddenly, Chavez was "Evil" and should be executed! Iran was moving nicely along to re-integration / re-habilitation with "The West" UNTIL it moved to trade it's oil in Euros! Suddenly, Iran was sponsoring terrorism all over again! Iraq famously shifted it's reserve account at The UN from US Dollars to Euros. Suddenly it's linked to Al-Quieda, has WMD, and MUST be invaded. Once Regime Change Democratisation Conquest was achieved, the first... THE VERY FIRST... thing that was done was to move the Iraqi National Reserve and it's oil trading back to The US Dollar! So... In this case, The Euro "Egg" comes first. The US "Chicken's" response is to squawk and peck! Incidentally, that is understandable. The US is using it's military to defend it's economy and preserve it's strength & worth as a nation. That's why most countries wage an aggressive war. Just as most countries who've waged aggressive war in the past have come up with some more acceptable "White-Hat" excuse for doing so. But... At the end of the day, any invasion is really armed robbery writ large. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

And since they're paying taxes, then SURELY they have at least the right to vote? Maybe even their own Congressmen & Senators? Wasn't No Taxation Without Representation!" a pretty major principle in your history? Remember that America (like Britain) IS a nation of immigrants. If I remember correctly, they only moved away from an open door policy to immigration around the late 1940's. "Send us your starving, your huddled masses" etc... I believe that One of the ways to qualify for US Citizenship is to have lived in the US for some time (3 or 5 years) regardless of legality. You have to show that you haven't been a drain on the US. SURELY that's an open invitation to try & pit your wits against the INS. If you thrive, if you last long enough, then you must be good enough to be an American! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

I'm guessing that "International Trade" is a bit of a foreign concept to you! (Did I REALLY just say that?). We buy stuff off you. planes, helicopters... Loads of stuff(which occasionally works - see the latest Chinook & Apache scandals with the British MoD). All in the name of standardisation, or best cost (meaning politics). You buy stuff from us for the same reason. If the airbus is the best performing contender, then shouldn't your troops get the best? It is a more modern & efficient design. Or would you prefer to spend more money on a less effective (but home-grown) product? If that's the case, then should Europe do the same rather than buying American? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

I will certainly do that... Next time I'm in Hiroshima. It IS "Iran" I'll have to apologise for not trying to stop? Not The USA? Not Russia? China? Britain? France? North Korea? Israel? Taiwan? India? South Africa? Of course not. It'll be a Muslim country. So that's definitely Iran. Not Pakistan, they're getting US assistance. Not Saudi Arabia, they just buy their nukes from Pakistan. Anyway, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are both pro-US, and are thus bound to remain so in perpetuity. After all, The House of Saud is every bit as stable as The House of Shah Reza Pahlavi... And for the very same reasons. Same with General Wozzizname Musharraf in Pakistan. No chance of him being toppled... Certainly not with America giving HIS Nuclear Program every assistance. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

My main point is that iraq DID in fact have and deploy "Weapons of Mass Destruction" against the US! Iran is now threatening to deploy the very same weapons! But these "weapons" aren't Nuclear, Biological or Chemical. These dangers to the peace & stability of Teh USA are in fact little pieces of green printed paper! In deciding to trade oil in Euros on it's Oil Bourse, Iran is threatening to send a lot of America's "Promise(s) to Pay One Dollar" back home to roost. Can the US afford to keep all those promises? Can the US afford to keep even 1/10th of those promises? IT CAN'T! The US$ is presently grossly overvalued in terms of the amount of currency in circulation against actual worth. The only thing that's keeping the US$ at it's present value is the fact that so much is kept by other countries as "Reserve Currency", mainly (even solely) because it is the convertible currency for oil. Were other countries to move to another currency (say; The Euro), then the value (buying power) of the US$ would collapse to absorb the excess "flat Dollars" that the treasury has printed. IF that does happen, then obviously those countries who get in first - before the value of the US$ starts to slide - will get the best deal. It's a fact that successive countries have been labelled as "EVIL" for a wide variety of reasons when they try to use The Euro as their Reserve (or Convertible) Currency. It's the only thing that Iraq, Iran, North Korea & Venezuela have (had prior to invasion) in common! So... These American Aggressions are not about freedom & democracy. They're not even simply about "The Oil". They're about what currency oil is traded in. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Perhaps the solution is not to tax the vehicle, but to tax the fuel. There are so many variables to individual vehicles; How fuel efficient they are, how many miles they cover, what fuel they are capable of using, adn what fuel they actually use etc... For example, is the Prius owner who does 20,000 miles a year really more environmentally friendly than the person who uses his Hummer 2,000 miles a year? The sole proportional constant for the amount of fossil fuel used IS the actual amount of fossil fuel a person buys and uses! That's where the tax should be with tax breaks on the alternative fuels rather than vehicles. After that, I'll bet that the market quickly adapts. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Yeah... Fusion! It's just around the corner.

And anyone who actually believes that this is automatically a danger to other countries... The Bush Administration is PHENOMENALLY inconsistent in it's selection of "Evil & Dangerous" countries. While denouncing Iran for developing nuclear power or weapons, it's giving nuclear assistance to Pakistan, another Muslim country & the believed hiding place of Osama Bin-Laden with a large sympathy to Al-Qaida in it's Religious "Schools". Further, Pakistan already has nuclear weapons and the means to deliver tham at intermediate range! As a cop I was always taught to "Chase the Money". Look for who gains in a crime, to see how people gain or lose, to find the perpetrator! SO... What happened to STOP Iran's recent "re-habilitation"? They were great guys at the time of the Iraq invasion. The only MAJOR policy shift in Iran since then has been their move to trade oil in Euros, and shift their reserve currency to a Euro account. ALSO... Why was it suddenly neccessary to invade Iraq when the US did? What suddenly changed after 13 years since their invasion of Kuwait? Iraq changed it's reserve currency account from Dollars to Euros, & wanted to trade it's oil in Euros less than 6 months before they were invaded! When was The Venezuelan President suddenly demonised? Wasn't it right after he took the OPEC Rotating Presidency and moved for oil to be traded in Euros and not exclusively the Dollar? One wonders what would happen to the recently re-habilitated Muammar Gaddaffi if HE were to decide to trade Libyan oil in Euros instead of Dollars? One also wonders what would happen if Norway & Britain moved to the Euro as their main currency, & also their reserve currency? Bear in mind that the only two countries in Europe who don't use the Euro are also Europe's only oil producing countries! Hmmm... So what would be the effect of a move from the US$ to the Euro? It's actually a lot more serious for America than minor stuff like Iran Nuking New York or Miami, etc... IT would be the equivalent of EVERY dollar in America suddenly being worth around 50 cents! Spending power throughout the US would be halved with 100% inflation! That inflationary cycle would take a lot of stopping and could easily trigger another depression or the 1929 scale! Now that IS a "Clear and Present Danger"! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

That is a lot of "Flat Dollars"... Which is why the US Government is TERRRIFIED at the possibility that oil could be traded in Euros! The Euro is already a far more attractive reserve currency in many respects than the dollar, but after the OPEC declaration in 1971 that all oil be traded in US$, it became the default reserve currency fo all countries. This is what allows the US Government to print a lot more money than it actually has in worth - the belief that all these dollars are never actually going to come back. It's also the reason that ANY country moving to the Euro: Iraq; Iran (with it's oil bourse); Venezuela... Are automatically EVIL and should be destabilised... invaded... regime-changed... DEMOCRATISED!

Of course we do. It'll wait until it's economically viable & neccessary. Get the cheaper stuff first. How long do we want it to last? Let's say it'll last 30 years at present consumption... Do we want to pull it out of the ground in the same old way and use it in the same old way? At the same old rate? OR... Do we want to be able to use it a lot more slowly? Maybe with less refinement? Use it to SUPPLEMENT other energy sources (by which I mean Bio-Fuels, Wind /Wave / Solar / Hydro power sources)? Fossil Fuels took thousands upon thousands of years to form. It appears we're going to use it all within two centuries (!) with little thought to what'll replace it when it's gone. It's a strange way of doing things... I mean, none of us would wilfully spend our entire years earnings in one week knowing that after that, we starve. WE spend what we've got as we're getting it. Surely it should be the same with energy? The question "How much would OIL have to be before drilling in ANWAR is acceptable?" was asked. How much will energy have to cost before SOLAR PANELS (Wind Farms etc...) start to look damned cheap? Of course, these things take oil to build, so as the price of oil rises, then so does their cost. So when should we buy into sustainable energy? Now, when it can be done at large cost? Or in fifty years time, when the cost is impossible? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.