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BillVons pics are from Associated Press: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/f9bc38f9a3a9401fb864a02b3a24f678 http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/c8723701e8f644f0b5befd7df750e8ea Which I didn't comment on because they were honestly captioned, appropriate to the thread, and current. Regards, Mike. PS: There's also one from Der Spiegel: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,PB64-SUQ9MTUwOTkmbnI9MTQ_3,00.html Can anyone comment on the language or the mobile artillery unit also pictured? Mike Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

First of all...... Let's put these pics of "Evil Palestinian Kids" into context: http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=%22palestinian%20children%22%20guns&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi Pic 1: Entitled "Palestinian Children hold TOY guns. From Sharia-Watch 2004 archives. Children pledging to follow Yasser Arafat AFTER he was pushing for a diplomatic solution. Pic 4: from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/1462004.stm which deals with an Israeli assasination of a peace activist. Pic 3: From http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/arccrisis/ispal.html which is entitled "Palestinian children parade with FAKE guns n Balata refugee camp in the West Bank near Nablus, Oct. 5, 2001. (AP photo)" Pic 2: Doesn't show in the search you refer to. That would be because it ISN'T a Palestinian child, is it. It's an IRAQI child, isn't it. Second... I guess that SOMEONE has to be a "DZ.Com Detective", especially when folk try to post deliberately misleading information to further an agenda. Did you think that the folk here are so gullible as to take the pics you posted blindly at face value? Or are you claiming that current pics of Israeli kids writing on LIVE shells about to be fired into Lebanon is no worse or no different to 2-5 year old pics of Palestinian kids with TOY guns. Why not just post honestly in the first place? IF you can't quote sources correctly, then post as opinion. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

In effect, there were 7 good men there along with numerous ones of doubtful ability... And THREE utter dickheads! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Maybe Dubbie actually said : "Yob! Liar!" in which case he'd be credited with intelligence & insight. As for Gordon Brown, I suspect he's still pretty Socialist so I wonder what'll happen to the Anglo-American-Entente if & when he takes over from B'Liar. I'd guess at a degree of cooling unless he takes over as Dubbie leaves and both leaders start from Square 1. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Yeah... As long as Hezb'Allah survives, even if it's only as an idea (and it's hard to see how even the memory can be destroyed, then they've won this one. All Israel is doing is creating martyrs... "Heroes who died protecting the children." I can see Hezb'Allah's recruiting slogans for the next 100 years coming out of this one regardless of how militarily successful Israel is. For example: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5207478.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5208110.stm http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=24&ID=298314&r=2 Israel comes across as the bully in this, which is unusual for them, they were usually very good at justifying their military actions in the past. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

OK... Put it another way. Pic 1 - Certainly Palestinian, but old. How long has it been since Yasser Arafat was leader of the PLO as an armed terrorist organisation? Pic 2 - Certainly Iraqi. Saddam Hussein was NEVER a friend of either Lebanon or Palestine. HE was either a "Western Lackey" or isolated from the entire Mid-East. Pic 3 - The weapons appear to be either AR-18s or Gal-Ils. That'd make them Israeli, not Palestinian or Lebanese. Pic 4 - Definitely an AR-15, I think M16A1 with properly doubled magazines which'd make it military, not guerilla. A lot of shiny green sashes. For some reason I think this is Egyptian or Moroccan, possibly the sash & cap colour. In effect, you have ascribed to Hamas & Hezb'Allah at least two pictures which cannot be theirs, and one pic which isn't positively identifiable. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Fair enough. And hopefully, if you were a Palestinian leader, you wouldn't do this either: http://www.viaccess.net/local/messages/56/5000.jpg http://www.jafi.org.il/agenda/3-31b.jpg http://journalism.berkeley.edu/projects/arccrisis/images/ispal/kidswithguns.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1460000/images/_1462004_ap150boysoldier.jpg In the last two, the guns are American! Is America actually arming BOTH sides of this conflict? That'd be really good business sense. Or is it that these aren't actual pics of anti-Israeli armed kids... Just armed kids. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

The Stepmom later commented: "I was reported on Fox, so it can't be true!" Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Where's the money in that though? Damn right!!! If the Israelis kick Syrian & Lebanese ASS, maybe they'll "see the light" & buy American arms for next time!

Did we? 30 days detention without charge, banning religious hatred, push for universal ID cards... 30 days is better than four and a half years (& climbing). Is harsher punishments for race / religious hatred a bad thing. What's wrong with ID Cards (IF they prove workable & fraudproof). But perhaps a poor comparison. Perhaps I should have focussed more on the "popular" response, which was: "The 'varsity' couldn't bomb us into submission. You won't either!" Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

It's The American Way. They'll back their customers client states friends to the last dollar of equity. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Naahh... The moral of that story's a bit too subtle for me. My mate Dubbie (Not THAT Dubbie, another one), sez you should have stamped on the little bastard while it was alone - that's how you deal with the little sods; one at a time. Maybe if you hammer a coupl'a nails through the end of that baseball bat of a moral, then I'll get it!

I remember when the thought that the NSA computers monitored communications for key words like "Clinton", "Assassinate", "Jihad", in selected languages was a source of humour. A challenge to include the words in every eMail or phone-call just to get the little lights flashing in Secret-World's HQ. Give the poor SOBs something to do between wanking off to the government-issue 1975 editions of Playboy! What's changed? If you don't like what's being done, then you can strive to make it unworkable... Rather like when they attempted to introduce wheel-clamping in France. (Loads of French folk got tubes of superglue & if they saw a clamped car, they'd superglue the lock! It was costing the clampers more to fix their clamps than they were making in fines!) Has America lost it's sense of humour since Dubbie came to power? Why? If it's because of 9/11, then the terrorists have won a stunning victory. Contrast America's response to Britains in the wake of the 7/7 bombings: You inaugurated the TSA to make sure that no passenger left manicured. We said "Fuck You. You won't change us. We'll carry on living our lives." In each case, who won? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

I love history.

Agreed, wholeheartedly. Well I think it's sweet... Little Israeli girls writing to their Palestinian & Lebanese Pen-Pals! Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Do you REALLY want us to contrast American behaviour of the same era? How Japanses interns were treated during WWII WHILE the Nisei were fighting for America in Italy? AMerican executions of Japanese POWs? (Why did you think they wouldn't surrender - they knew they'd be killed anyway)? American treatment of German POWs at the end of WWII? I can pull out Hein Fehler & Wilhelm Hirschfeld's biographies; Starvation, torture & murder? The Luneburg Heath camp deaths from starvation rations? The 101st's out of combat record in France? Rape & murder of French civilians which got to the point where it was seriously proposed to execute an entire company to "send a message"? OR... Since these crimes were perpetrated by the victors, they were just statistical anomalies and isolated incidents, weren't they. Weren't they? So... As you say: Lovely people, these vacationing Japanese Americans. The point is that today we hold our troops and warfare to a stricter & more huminitarian standard. A standard which Israel is failing to achieve. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

And to think that all these problems would simply go away if only we all carried guns with us. Just like America - where no-one's ever mugged? Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Actually that is just what some Para officers that came to the USAF SERE School in the late 1970's .... quite a few Americans had a wee bit of Irish heritage since the Brits were so kind to the farmers of Ireland in the mid-1800's.. hell only half the population died. It's one thing for a few officers to say "If Only" over a few pints in the mess. Another very different thing for a nation to make it a policy! Compare the British Army's actions in NI with Israels current actions, hardly the same thing. As for Americans having Irish Blood. We did notice that, along with the money PIRA raised in America & all the Armalites PIRA got! AS for the Irish Potato Famine... This may come as a surprise to America's version of Irish history, but it WAS an act of nature! England didn't go over and poison Irish crops. I don't recall any international aid packages & food parcels coming over from America at the time either. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

What bothers me about that statement is simply this. Katyusha rockets are mobile launcher based. Meaning, that they can be anywhere, at any time, and be fired. Two minutes later, or approximately one minute after they have been detected, the laucher can be gone. Furthermore, there have been weapons caches discovered on the first floor of several apartment buildings. In schools, storage lockers at central gathering stations, in mosques. Yeah... It's called "Asymmetric Warfare". But, by the Israeli standard, would it have been "reasonable" for Britain to have tasked the RAF to have bombed parts of Belfast & Londonderry? Border towns in Eire? Terrorists were being harboured there. Would it be "reasonable" for towns & villages in Iraq (say the Sunni-Triangle) to be bombed? Obviously not. It would be properly called a massacre. The answer is for troops to act in a peacekeeping or policing role, similar to what happened in Yugoslavia. So why aren't Israel asking for UN peacekeepers to be deployed? Why isn't America & Britain convening a UN Security Council Emergency Session? Surely self defence should be reasonable & proportionate. Israel's actions are neither. I have agreed with Israeli policy in the past, but can't on this occasion. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

You're not exactly showing an even keel here.... They're bald numbers Kennedy. My opinion... Israel is reacting out of all proportion, and appear to be targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure quite deliberately. If they WERE trying to target Hezb'Allah, then wouldn't a small-scale cross-border raid or artillery / airstrike response to the rocket launch site be more appropriate & effective? The Katyushas used by Hezb'Allah aren't exactly invisible when they fire! I really don't see the difference between car bombs detonated in a street and a 500lb GP bomb dropped into a street from a jet - other than the 500lb bomb will cause more damage.. Like it or not, in the last week or so, Israel has killed over 200 Lebanese children and 100+ Lebanese civilians. The children are hardly combatants. So... Is this a terrorist act? Does it make Israel a "Terrorist-State"? I'm trying VERY hard not to say yes... But the evidence is fast becoming irrefutable. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Just a quick update... Current civilian death toll from the Israeli / Hezb'Allah conflict (from the Beeb): 377 Lebanese. 34 Israeli. Apparently, some 65% of the Lebanese deaths are CHILDREN!! Perhaps the Israeli tactic for quashing Hezb'Allah is to ensure that no-one grows up to become a terrorist... Or should that be Anti-Israeli Terrorist!!? Mike. Edited to add: Further update. Israel has crossed the ground border into Lebanon... So here we go. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

I don't think for one minute that Darius is suggesting that. Let's be honest. Neither side is significantly better behaved or justified than the other. I really see Israel's reaction to these terrorist attacks as reminiscent of Nazi Germany's behaviour in occupied countries, viz: "If you harm a German Soldier, we will kill 10 or 50 civilians!" Israel's behaviour has been neither understandable nor defendable. Nor is Hamas' or Hezb'Allah's behaviour defendable. In effect, NEITHER is worthy of support. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

How about: Iran declares support for Lebanon & Syria against Israelis and masses army to march on Israel. Iranian Army approaches Iraqi Border - Coalition troops also mass in respose They may even mass on the Iranian border first... Just in case. Iranians attack coalition Border-Monitoring-Post(s) in Iraq & massacre staff. Several bodies in Iranian commando uniforms found at site of massacre. Coalition declares war on Iran in response to their act of war... "Regime-Change" was the only option to defend democracy & secure the historic borders of the Mid-East. It's always worked in the past. Just change the country names. In effect, they'll just re-hash the old Herman Goering doctrine. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

Maggie would have paused briefly to slip an extra brick into her handbag, and... Dubbie would also have been well warned by Daddy that the correct way to get Lady Thatcher's attention is to raise your hand and wait politely until she noticed you. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

There was a piece on the BBC News (TV) saying the Israeli motivation for their current strikes against Lebanon's infrastructure is "To turn the population against Hezb'Allah & Hamas". My own thoughts on this is that IF an Israeli plane bombs you, you're pretty unlikely to say "Hamas Bastards" or similar. You're more likely to say "Israeli Bastards" as you head down to your local Hamas office to sign up! Israel may be winning this particular battle, but they're also losing the war by motivating a whole new generation of guerilla fighters & suicide bombers. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.