OHCHUTE

And I am sure her dad would pay any additional costs if some horrible govt. regulations stepped in to make it harder to personally possess weapons No one is suggesting banning things like this. (except maybe the rifle at the start im not a firearm expert), but certainly no one is suggesting we eliminate educational safe uses of guns. People are suggesting that perhaps that firepower is not really needed on a day to day basis by random Joe Idiot down the street. For instance, how often are you attacked by 50 people? I would wager not often. So why would you need the firepower to take out 50 people in 1:17? That is why people suggest these guns have a place in sport, but perhaps not so much a place in the hands of the irresponsible who could then use them TO attack 50 people in 1:17. Hi cap mags are needed in this style of competiton where many of these handguns are used. So please give us your idea how you would prevent someone from using this type of handgun without infringing on the right of the sportsman. Fact of the matter is: you don't know who a sportsman is, or who a nutjob is. It is impossible to regulate society in preventing the mentally insane as anyone can go insane at any moment without anyone knowng about it. In fact, you could be insane typing here on this forum. How would anyone know you are not insane. It's a known fact insane people can type. Cho in VA wrote papers!

There was even a video showing students getting rifles out of locker. That's gone. I'll inquire further but if college shooting goes away I'd expect participation in Olympic shooting events will be compromised.

Good, now out of all the states mentioned, lets compare how well each state is doing regarding budget. I know DC has surplus at the moment, due to all the building, and tax collection on real estate.

Last week I viewed Cornell's website and saw many pages and pictures of students participating in competitive shooting sports on campus, indoor ranges. I looked again tonight and the pages were gone. Then I came across this article. What happened. Did Cornell end the shooting program? Cornell is in New York... Will competitive shooting sports end in this country. Sad. http://collegeinsurrection.com/2013/01/cornell-president-signs-gun-control-document/

Banks want to do away with cash. This way they get a fee on every transaction.

This is competitive shooting. What the non gunner public doesn't understand is gun are used alot for competition. It's a hobby. http://www.ipsc.isorg/

Here is the article saying what I just said: It includes no longer having to report to SEC So you allegation is wrong. Here you go. It could mean something to some people. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/100-banks-end-reporting-to-sec-under-new-law/2013/01/30/bf15226e-6b00-11e2-95b3-272d604a10a3_story.html you do not understand the article you are quoting. and that does not disprove my comment. they no longer have to file their financials with the SEC because its expensive and serves no benefit. they are still regulated by the gov't in reference to running their business. the financials are disclosed for shareholders or potential shareholders. My point stands that it means nothing to me. the banks are regulated by the gov't and the SEC regulates securities. the fact they no longer have to go through the hassle of filing with SEC is of no consequence to me. they still offer them to anyone who cares to ask. my bank is small and private. we get request for our financials every day. its very normal and common. I guess you were not around during the savings and loan crisis. Here is a quote from the article "Still, critics of the new thresholds say the more information, the better. They’re worried because banks have a history of issuing partial or distorted data to their shareholders. The SEC is uniquely positioned to demand internal auditing controls." With relaxed rules, same as no rules for banks that created the most recent crisis, time will tell.

Here is the article saying what I just said: It includes no longer having to report to SEC So you allegation is wrong. Here you go. It could mean something to some people. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/100-banks-end-reporting-to-sec-under-new-law/2013/01/30/bf15226e-6b00-11e2-95b3-272d604a10a3_story.html

Prove how many times a day I break the speed limit (illegal). That's right - you cannot because you do not have the data. And if I do it 10 times but a cop only gets me once the "data" claims I've only done it once. So applying the same logic to straw purchases for guns and guns stolen what NEW law would prevent these same events from happening? The ONLY way you could prevent a straw purchase is to TRACk THE GUN via IT technology showing where the gun ended up. Currently the technology is not in place. NO LAW could prevent a straw purchase. In fact, a felon is not allowed to own a gun but his wife living in the same house is allowed. i e Gordon Liddy. So she owns the gun. Like Gordon can't touch the gun, or go with his wife to the range to shoot it. Preventing staw purchase via law is a pipe dream.

Like gun owners, some of who are the wealthest in this nation don't have lawyers. NOT SO. Law suits are being filed againt NY The lawyers love it. http://online.wsj.com/article/APdd33997445624680886e79b5bd351a4e.html

Better yet SEC told small banks they didnt have to report to them any more. What does that mean for you. Looks like NY is pushing back on new proposed gun laws. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/usworld/article/295062/6/Cuomo-ratings-drop-after-NY-gun-law http://online.wsj.com/article/APdd33997445624680886e79b5bd351a4e.html At least someone is pushing back. Horrah for the Plantiffs. Guess why college tuition rates for college middle class go up 8 percent per year. Should we talk about behind the scenes making money on the money college debt securities slim bag business that keep you strapped. Only if you are paying your kids way through college. Sock it to the middle class so the kabal can make money. So far the only terriorists caught in the US since 911 aside from the guy who shot up the military base were given fake bombs by the FBI. What does that tell you. Sounds like FBI job security to me.

You can google all you want, and yes the government has more and more been attempting to restrict everyones rights, not just gun owners. Can they outright ban all weapons? No, that is all I am saying. Can they make it so all you can have is a single shot bb gun? Yes. This is more of a case of 'death by a thousand paper cuts' they will continue restricting rights until it gets to the point that they will have eroded almost all rights which were at one point afforded to the citizens of this nation, and I'm not just talking about gun rights. Look at all of the personal freedoms and privacy rights we decided to give up as a country as soon as we were faced with terrorism on our own soil. It's a slippery slope. But you know what, most people are more than happy to just drone on in life as long as their personal way of life is not affected. Imagine if all of a sudden the government wanted to stop sport parachuting because 'it increased the ability for terrorist to train (on American soil) in insertion techniques and afford them the ability to move into heavily populated city centers or government property with a decreased signature in order to inflict damage and death'. I'm sure you (and I, and everyone on this forum) would suddenly be very interested in that. Bravo! I AGREE Forbid any crazy nut drags kids in a parachute behind a truck to the farm pond. Bingo... it's the chute! Yes didn't they used chutes in WWII to help KILL PEOPLE. We need to ban all parachutes. Bla Bla Bla See how your manley sport would be if under attack that your equipment for participating in the sport was threatend to be restricted or taken from you. NO AR's aren't used only for home protection. We do like to participate in shooting sports with AR's. These anti guns are only thinking about themselves not the kids. If they had any sense they'd be talking door locks and access controls and keeping repeat violent offenders in jail would cure most all of this violent crime.

Manipulate from behind, never hold office at first. Put idiots in office who don't have a clue they're being manipulated. Control who is allowed to make money and holding on to it. No you don't have a banker broker dealer license nor lobby do you. Control mass communications Paint anyone who speaks out against injustice a lunatic and destroy their reputation. Develop and brand derrogatory names to label such people Create scapegoats Use disasters to twist things to achieve objectives in taking rights away. Or even, create a disaster to ensure public opinion is twisted favorable in your direction. Offer incentives to people to come to your side Own the lawyers and judges Own the military Own LEO Own the prison system Having money is key.. Slowly take away their right to defend themselves, because once they find out they're owned financially or otherwise via restrictive laws, they'll not be too happy and will want to revolt. Increase laws which will be easy to break, or where public won't adhear to, so that they can be handed tickets, or be arrested. Publicize those arrested and the punnishment they get, again re-inforcing the public not to break the law. Provide rewards to family members to help catch bad guys. Increase more laws. Confisations of property, illegal seizures, illegal arrests, illegal detentions, no due process. Imprisonments to get rid of insurgents The killing of insurgents, or properly labeled terrorists as they continually disobeyed the laws of the state in lashing out. Get them for supposedly being a part of an undesirable group made up or fictious group at that. Keep them drunk watching silly sports games while having your hand in their pocket obeying their laws. Then. The person who sided with the majority ended up being enslaved by the same who they looked up to. They ended up dead or walking through rubble of what was once homeland. And the process is repeted time and time again. Be weary of your government and their motives as groups of people can move in directions that no one on earth could have control over. Keep a clear mind and hold on to as many rights that are available to you, even though you might not care too much about specific rights personally as those rights will keep you a free nation. Don't let yourself be owned. Vote away anyone who further diminishes your rights that your forefathers died for. Keep America strong. Keep a strong mind. Don't become influenced by detractors who want to take your rights away for the sake of your security. Don't buy into militarization of LEO as that will only work against you. Don't buy into fighting for a nations freedom when all your fighting for is for someone to make money off your blood. Be weary of excessive taxation to get you to give up rights, living in a place where you want to live, or own something you think you have a right to own. Keep these words as thoughts. Don't forget it's We the People and we can do togother what no one person can do: Live as free people, but in order to do so, we must push back on any attempt to take rights away, when we should be working to get more rights.

I think anyone reading this thread knows OHCHUTE is making at LOT OF SENSE while others are looking silly. You look silliy because you evade ALL questions. So tell us, state of HI said the vital birth records are in the bound book and contain typewritten pages with signatures. How did they put the book through the typewriter? You never answered the question. And the responses you do give BILLVON do make you look silly. Now it must be a lonely job being a moderator MR BILLVON, and I enjoy how you parse lines of type from my copy so that you can keep yourself focused, but I must tell you my research is about ended. You've been a lot of help regarding the information I've collected. Regretabily I'll be unable to furnish you any results of the study but the only thing I can tell you about social networking is that in the near future you will witness the failure of such programs. Websites like this and many others will fad away mainly because people like you drive away sensible posters. Like slag is to steel the intelligent will move on and the slag will remain. If you don't think that is true. Just watch. I'll prove it.

Ill take a stab at this one. It never happened. That's how. There is no evidence what you claim happened, ever happened. Then how did they get the bound book through the typewriter to type on it?

Good effort in avoiding the question but, you are looking pretty silly. OK, I'll take your answer that marketing communications is not a factor in strategy in running for office of President. Brain and Obama never discussed strategy according to you. And it is possible you can put a book through a manual typewriter according to you as well. Thanks for helping with the research.

>So you do believe Obama might have suppressed info to keep his middle name under wraps. Billvon: Nope again. But nice try! So why did Obama spend a million dollars to suppress the information? Since you're acting like a high school kid maybe we should put it in a multiple choice format so that you're more focused. 1. Why did Obama hire lawyers and pay to have information about his birth records suppressed A. There was no record as inititally reported by HI B. Obama knew he stole an identity of someone else C. Mrs Obama really wasn't his mother D. Obama knew he wasn't born in the USA E. Brian and Obama decided "Hussien" on his birth certificate posed a problem in gaining votes so they suppressed the information. If it's not any of these, then what is the reason. And of course any stupid reason you give that's not ligit, is well stupid. While your pondering you illustrious answer: (You should turn your picknic table discussion into a play. It's would be highly entertaining, in fact you could use this thread as a script. You BillVON the BELIEVER antagonist. Keeper of THE BOOK of SUPREME TRUTH. Just believe, never question. Anyone that questions is a fake.

Now that you are inquiring, must be a conspiracy. Lanza was the lone gunman and he used an AR. Get over it. End of story.

Aaaah good. We're making progress. So you do believe Obama might have suppressed info to keep his middle name under wraps. Very good. He didn't really embrace using his name until after he was elected. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/01/obama-embraces-2/http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/01/obama-embraces-2/ Sorry about the faux pas, but it was necessary to prove a point. It takes checking facts, asking questions and viewing the real thing perhaps to come to descisive decisions. Sorry but I got you to make inquiry. Which prove a point. Your claim is you should not ask questions, yet here you are looking up videos checking the authenticity of information, yet you seem indifferent to asking other more important questions. Now the question as hand, one which you are avoiding, and instead launching attacks, is: How do you stuff a bound book into manual typewriter so that you might type names on a page? I don't see how that is possible no matter what the story is. Is the book perfect bound, or spiral ring bound? How many pages in the book. All that information might be inportant in learning how one might have put the book into the roller to type on it. If the book is perfect bound with a cardboard type of covers, much like an accounting record book, there is no way possible to put the book through the roller. Have any ideas? You are an engineer right? Dont you have an inquisitive mind? What is your make of it. Regardless of any story. As the story points to someone putting a book into a manual typewriter. Waiting to see if you'll answer this question.

So you allege communication strategy was not even considered in 2007, regarding Obama's middle name, and the possible implication that his middle name might pose a liability in gaining votes especially after the Hussein name was vilified by Bush administration? OK go ahead and not answer the question. Yawn.

Yeah, makes far more sense that they would create a fake document and before copying it for distribution, for no apparent reason put it into a bound book despite knowing that the real documents aren't stored in book form. There is a bound book there is not a bound book. OMG I'm ILMFAO

That's the straw purchase they speak of. Wife or girlfriend buys the gun and hands it over the the guy. Easiest way for Felon to get gun. Wife buying gun during private sale further reduces traceability over commercial sale (nics and state reg.)

BILLVON: Stop asking questions. BILLVON: I KNOW ALL THE FACTS BILLVON: Government would never never convince anyone to do anything. BILLVON: I'm a BELIEVER. You guys should hear yourselves. If you would act this way with a machine gun in your face like what happened to me, you'd either be dead or eating rice in some hole. You certainly wouldn't act this way at the DZ around the picknic table carrying on a similar conversation in person. See you on the Feb 15. Keep your fingers crossed. As all your dreams might come true.

Yeah, makes far more sense that they would create a fake document and before copying it for distribution, for no apparent reason put it into a bound book despite knowing that the real documents aren't stored in book form. There is a bound book there is not a bound book. OMG I'm ILMFAO

I'm probably the only who has brought it up. Tell me, how would you put a bound book with multiple pages into a typewriter roller? You are smart. Can you figure it out. Because it sure doesn't make sense to me that you could stuff a book into a non electric typwriter type what you need to on a page, then hand the whole book over to Ms OBAMA to sign? Yea I'm curious, the reason I have no opinion. I HAVE NO OPINION. I don't know the facts. But YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS. Afterall you are a BELIEVER. Here's a parachute duly indicated it was packed. Now go and jump. And stop asking stupid questions. You crack me up.